Sardar Azmoun @ Zenit St Petersburg | 2019

[Nokhodi]

I mean there's also the fact that our clubs really try to take as much money as they can since they all owe money to foreign coaches....agents are thieves....etc

Or it could be as simple as the fact that countries that are football equals to us like Japan are able to ship more players consistently with less headsaches and the added incentive that there is a market for the club in Japan.

This is the same reason Iran isnt in FIFA. How much money could they make off Iranians when a lot of jerseys etc are pirated and fake

For Japanese players and now Chinese players - TV rights are huge.
If you sign a Japanese player, it is very likely Japanese TV will buy your club's tv matches.

Most clubs can only survive on TV rights money.

Added incentive.

If you're a European club and you need to go through all sorts of headache, pay a decent amount of money (same as what a local might want), with no business tie-in, it becomes really hard to justify.
Sometimes it works out though. For example, in Mehdi's case, because he was based in Qatar, the money transfer was easy and he also took a huge paycut!

[ehsan_REAL1]

For players within Iran:

1 - financial restrictions make it really hard to get the transfers through. A club really has to want a player to make it happen.
2 - Iranian players make decent money in Iran, and most European clubs want our players dirt cheap or on free transfers.
3 - Poor agents.
4 - Players lack of motivation/laziness/fear.

For players outside of Iran:

1 - Poor agents (look at Ghodoos)
2 - Bad contracts (Look at Azmoun)
3 - Terrible advisers (again, look at Ghodoos)

Wouldnt consider Ghoddos part of iranian

[Nokhodi]

Wouldnt consider Ghoddos part of iranian

True, he has a Swedish passport, but his agents and advisers are idiots.

[Sly]

For players within Iran:

1 - financial restrictions make it really hard to get the transfers through. A club really has to want a player to make it happen.
2 - Iranian players make decent money in Iran, and most European clubs want our players dirt cheap or on free transfers.
3 - Poor agents.
4 - Players lack of motivation/laziness/fear.

For players outside of Iran:

1 - Poor agents (look at Ghodoos)
2 - Bad contracts (Look at Azmoun)
3 - Terrible advisers (again, look at Ghodoos)

I'd like to add one more point....

Lack of copy right laws make it impossible for a club to profit on shirt sales in Iran, hence Iranian players lose benefit when the club can get a cheap player with equal quality from another country and gain from him too!

[PSGman#19]

Their players are simply better than us. Look at their new young stars like Kubo and Tomiyasu. They are U-21 but already start for the top 4 league clubs every week. Name U-21 Iranian players who get playing time in the top 4 leagues. FYI, Kubo is the same age as Sayyadmanesh. With all due respect, only our fans think Iran is on par with Japan in football. But in reality we are behind them in every aspect (WC, Asian Cup, legionnaires, domestic league etc).

Of course if no top4 league buy your players at all (even if they are quality) automatically you wont have u21 players starting there.
Our u17 team was crashing france Germany and reached the quarter final of u17 some years ago. No top4 league (even bottom league clubs) moved the little finger for them

[Leicester City]

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[Iranianarsenal11]

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Maybe Kokorin can teach Azmoun how to assault a Russian official and get away with it!

[inarsenewetrust]

Maybe Kokorin can teach Azmoun how to assault a Russian official and get away with it!

tbf his ass was in jail for over a year for that. LOL.

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

No thanks. Bundesliga is the plague for our players. The discipline is good for them but their machine-like way of playing don't suit our technically gifted players and will only result in their demise, a la Ali Karimi. Our players are best made for La Liga. A league that makes a relatively recognized star out of an average player like Masoud Shojaei.

What are you saying??
So we are going ignore Mahdavikia, Vahid, Ashkan, Daei, Bagheri, khodad, I think literally all of our players who went there saw more than 50 caps and played well

[perspolis#1]

Their players are simply better than us. Look at their new young stars like Kubo and Tomiyasu. They are U-21 but already start for the top 4 league clubs every week. Name U-21 Iranian players who get playing time in the top 4 leagues. FYI, Kubo is the same age as Sayyadmanesh. With all due respect, only our fans think Iran is on par with Japan in football. But in reality we are behind them in every aspect (WC, Asian Cup, legionnaires, domestic league etc).

Well the Japanese and Koreans rate us equally for the NT. They know our issue is an infrastructure and organization one

[inarsenewetrust]

even if you look at the japanese and korean players in big leagues MOST of them started out in smaller leagues like belgium, portuguese, austrian, etc.

Iranians have been reluctant to take the jump to smaller euro leagues/teams for many years until now simply because of superior wages being offered by PGPL teams and QSL teams for their services, plus way more comfortable lifetstyle.

Lets be honest, many players who have enough talent can sit at home in Iran with all friends and fam, make good money, live like kings, and still play for TM during international break with little scrutiny. Even better, they can go to qatar, tons of iranians there and close for their family and friends to come over and chill, low level of competition/intensity.

Compare that to going to a cold ass, small euro club with mediocre facilities and not a lot of media coverage.

For players who believe in their own ability and have ambition and belief to actually go and prove themselves in europe, they will do it. The others are comfortable talking about "I had x offers but it didnt happen blah blah blah".

For all our players that have gone to europe and grinded, even for short amount of time, we are seeing the offers and interest coming through from big teams.

Azmoun to Napoli, Taremi to Porto are very reasonable transfers with clearly some truth to them. ARJ went to EPL, ok he chose wrong team, but he still went and has shone himself to be a good player when given the chances. Moharrami has become starter for Dinamo Zagreb. Kaveh has become one of if not the best striker in belgium, went to their best club, played in CL vs dortmund, monaco, etc and will now almost certainly move to a top 5 league at end of season given all indications from belgian media. Milad went from mid table club in chechnya to one of the best teams in belgium renowned for talent development and comfortably dominating teams like Wolfsburg, Roma in Europa League. Majid is playing for number 1 team in turkey and not a transfer window doesnt go by that spanish and italian teams are not sniffing around him.

My point is, most of the players that take the jump do well. Getting them there is the issue. With lower and lower sums of money available in iran and a new mentality that CQ seems to have instilled in the TM setup, more and more players will take that jump. Hopefully Niazmand, Mohebbi, Ghaedi, nourollahi are the next ones.

To easily solve this issue PGPL could just institute a salary cap of sorts to further incentivize youth production and bigger talents to move abroad.

[Leicester City]

Great points, someone like Shahab Zahedi could easily make more in Iran/Qatar but instead he makes €40,000/year or €769/week playing for Olimpik Donetsk and could well take this small paycut for 1 year or 2 years, but end up making €1,000,000/year when he goes to Dynamo Kiev, Shakhtar Donetsk, or a team in Russia.

Source Zahedi makes €40,000 annually: https://www.capology.com/club/olimpik-donetsk/salaries/

Once again, going to smaller Euro Clubs are not pay cuts but small investments to make double or triple that the next year playing or a better team in that same league or another one. Work your ass off for 1 or 2 years and you can easily have offers coming in immediately like Taremi has from Aston Villa/Bordeaux, superior salaries. (This is also not including the sponsorship oppurtunities/deals that will come along with it.)

Or Mehrdad Mohammadi's case he does not get paid and people at his team do not get their payments on time or at all despite this small paycut it will be well documented that he can make more in the long run with his super preformances this season for CD Aves even if he won't recieve parts of his salary this year. And he does not even make the highest at CD Aves, he is the 17th highest maker at CD Aves: https://www.capology.com/club/desportivo-aves/salaries/

People who go to teams such as Charleroi don't go for the money, but to express themselves in a footballing sense and look at football more than just a "job".Someone like Kaveh Rezaei makes €755,000/year and is highest earner in Charleroi's books and could definitely be making more than this annually: https://www.capology.com/club/charleroi/salaries/

And lastly, you have someone like Sardar Azmoun who due to his persistence, hard work, and determination is easily the highest earner currently in terms of salaries from all Iranian players. The guy has 2 Lamborghinis (one which is an Aventador I believe and the other is the relatively new Urus). And maybe has a Nike Sponorship under his belt. Now there is no way you can tell me staying in Iran/Qatar will earn you more in the LONG TERM than what these guys are seeing!

[PSGman#19]

To easily solve this issue PGPL could just institute a salary cap of sorts to further incentivize youth production and bigger talents to move abroad.

I agree, PGPL should be a developping league, aiming to produce talents that will move to Europe (for those who are TM material, the rest can go in Qatar if they want) + attracting quality foreign coach and players (like stramma, Cheick diabaté..).
But with a salary cap, every promising players will go directly to Qatar in order to get cash rather than aiming Europe

[Sly]

What are you saying??
So we are going ignore Mahdavikia, Vahid, Ashkan, Daei, Bagheri, khodad, I think literally all of our players who went there saw more than 50 caps and played well

Not all. In fact most of them failed. People like Pashazadeh, Dinmohammadi, Khatibi, Mousavi, Yazdani...all count as failure in Germany.

Sure the others like Mahdavikia and Hashemian, played well. They were great players. but IMO, even they could have been so much better in another league. Imagine Mahdavikia started in an above mid-table team in Spain instead of Germany. He could have become a much bigger star.

Ps. Ashkan doesn't count. He was born and raised in Germany and learned the German style from the beginning.

[Iran_19]

You can add Navidkia to that list too,
But tbh Dinmohammadi did quite well playing in 2nd div.

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