100 Games under CQ/ Full Stats and statistical breakdown

[AGC]

Thanks but I personally see these things as just for fun. One of our best historic coaches Mohajerani being below Mayeli Kohan for example, shows the value of these stats.
And even worse is selective use of stats - to choose a specific time frame e.g. a second stint of one coach but not another... e.g. earlier on in this thread (which reads like some of of textbook into illogical thought and lack of scrupulous analysis):
Choosing to look at the second "stint" of one coach but not the second "stint" of different coach is not just illogical but statistically unsound. Although my underlying point is that stats without context is meaningless:

Yes but att the same time variance is low. Its an oversimplification but it has its uses. To exaggerate differences between Them is of No Good

[AGC]

Context is important but att the same time many arguments go against CQ too.
It all boils down to use of phronesis in valuing issues like this.
But to say that the question of coach is anything but marginal is blasphemous.
The key issue is something completely different. We all are acting like small fish in a tiny pond with our quarelling.

[AGC]

I dont agree with toleh khers in his use of stats. Just to be clear.

[tooleh khers]

For what its worth, Skocic is in front of Daei and Mayeli Kohan with the best win ratio for TM.

Skocic: 83.3% P18 W15 D1 L2
Daei: 62.50% P24 W15 D6 L3
Mayeli Kohan: 60.5% P38 W23 D9 L6
Queiroz: 60.0% P100 W60 D27 L13
Ivankovic: 58.9% P56 W33 D14 L9
Ghalenoi: 58.8% P17 W10 D6 L1
Talebi: 56.0% P25 W14 D5 L6
Mohajerani: 53.6%: P28 W15 D7 L6
Ghotbi: 53.3%: P30 W16 D6 L8
Pourheidari: 52.9%: P17 W9 D5 L3
Blazevic: 52.6%: P19 W10 D4 L5
Dehdari: 50.0%: P22 W11 D6 L5
Parvin: 44.1%: P34 W15 D11 L8

LOOOOL whatever you say Doctor. Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._team_managers

[tooleh khers]

Lolll your biased argument with these stats is DELUSIONAL to say the least.

Just look at how many more games CQ managed than branko and how he only lost a few more matches in total.

It's not just the winning % but which teams he lost to and what happened when it came to important matches as well as the number of matches they've been in charge.

Context is something you unfortunately don't seem to understand. Good luck.

It is beyond hilarious how sure of yourselves you are despite of very contradictory stats. And yes please consider the context with the stats as well. The ranking of opponents, cups, finishes....

[tooleh khers]

Context is important but att the same time many arguments go against CQ too.
It all boils down to use of phronesis in valuing issues like this.
But to say that the question of coach is anything but marginal is blasphemous.
The key issue is something completely different. We all are acting like small fish in a tiny pond with our quarelling.

Yes context is important:




Nothing favors CQ. Only if we pic a sample of 3 games or 6 it can favor CQ. Overall it is not even close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._team_managers

[DR Strangemoosh]

LOOOOL whatever you say Doctor. Source?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._team_managers

Although wikipedia is a more respectable source than the "stats" image you keep posting from the "irperspolis" social media account, anyone can edit wikipedia. Include those who have an obsession with changing stats and facts.

Why don't you source an apolitical database like teammelli.com?

https://www.teammelli.com/coaches/

Or do you only use "IRPerspolis" as your source?

[koorosh]

These raw numbers don't mean much on their own. The coach is only one variable that determines a win rate or tournament success. Other variables include the players, the era, the opponent's, the rules etc.

You have to plug all of these into a model and figure out how much the coach is a factor in success...could be 10% of success is attributable to the coach or 30% etc. And then have to see if there is really any significant differences between these coaches.

Because the number of games are limited and the variety of the players and opponents is huge, it is pretty meaningless to compare coaches of different eras. Only applicable comparison would be between successive coaches...like CQ vs Wilmots ...when all the players were more or less the same. Or coaches in a professional league where the opponents and players are relatively fixed year to year and there are large number of games.

[OSTAD POOYA]

For what its worth, Skocic is in front of Daei and Mayeli Kohan with the best win ratio for TM.

Skocic: 83.3% P18 W15 D1 L2
Daei: 62.50% P24 W15 D6 L3
Mayeli Kohan: 60.5% P38 W23 D9 L6
Queiroz: 60.0% P100 W60 D27 L13
Ivankovic: 58.9% P56 W33 D14 L9
Ghalenoi: 58.8% P17 W10 D6 L1
Talebi: 56.0% P25 W14 D5 L6
Mohajerani: 53.6%: P28 W15 D7 L6
Ghotbi: 53.3%: P30 W16 D6 L8
Pourheidari: 52.9%: P17 W9 D5 L3
Blazevic: 52.6%: P19 W10 D4 L5
Dehdari: 50.0%: P22 W11 D6 L5
Parvin: 44.1%: P34 W15 D11 L8

Thanks for bringing this post back up. It makes me miss CQ and the great confidence and achievements we had under him. I really hope Scocic does not embarrass us but in no way he is CQ.

[AGC]

Yes context is important:




Nothing favors CQ. Only if we pic a sample of 3 games or 6 it can favor CQ. Overall it is not even close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._team_managers

They are all pretty Close. These are Still marginal differences.

Iran can have THE best coach in THE world and the results would Still cluster.

Regarding rankings they are not accurate. Even IF they are there are Still variables making comparisons questionable. The 2006 squad had more talent than say 2014 squad.

The problem with iranian football is 80 to 90 percent structural

[DR Strangemoosh]

They are all pretty Close. These are Still marginal differences.

Iran can have THE best coach in THE world and the results would Still cluster.

Regarding rankings they are not accurate. Even IF they are there are Still variables making comparisons questionable. The 2006 squad had more talent than say 2014 squad.

The problem with iranian football is 80 to 90 percent structural

These aren't real stats bro. The win percentage for one coach is off by 10%. It is from a social media account called "irperspolis".

[DR Strangemoosh]

Get ready to update these stats, Ostad

[OSTAD POOYA]

I wasn't going to bring this up until a game is played , however thank you for bringing it up. I cant wait to have this updated. Today is one hell of a day for all Iranian football fans. The poll from the other post clearly shows where the heart and minds of most fans are.

[rightoussoul]

Deleted double post, sorry

[OSTAD POOYA]

This is not an Iran stat but rather a CQ stat which I find to be very interesting. I have been doing research of the coaches with the most number of world cups attended and currently there 8 managers in WC history that have been to 4 or more world cups.

Carlos Alberto Parreira is the only coach to have been to 6 world cups. After him there is a Yugoslavian coach (Bora Milutinovic) with 5, and 6 coaches that have coached in 4 world cups. There are 14 coaches who have coached in 3 world cups including CQ. So after this tourney CQ will join those with 4 WC attended and basically there are only 2 other coaches who have been to more tournaments in history of the WC.

This is indeed a big factor in making CQ a true WC coach that will bring a lot to the table.