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    Originally posted by perspolis#1 View Post



    Do you think Mourinho etc would have commented?



    I'll formulate what the other coaches would have said in their position and you tell me what CQ should have said.



    Skocic: Well I'm just here to coach, its a domestic issue etc etc

    Branko: We need order in society, the government is excellent, the people are complaining too much much , I miss my teddy bear Rahman. I love the toman and Croatian dahaat exchange rate.

    Ali Daei: ( ) به نظر من دولت مردم را از دست داده است و باید سر خود را از شرم بیاندازد و استعفا داد

    Mayeli Kohan: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    Ghotbi: Baleh dige een yek harf hast baraye mardom va omidvaram be yek nateejeh bereseh

    GN: Ke chi. Na. Mohem nist. Ma bayad bazi konim.




    Skocic: " you are hater ,you want me fired , bring bronko"

    Daie " yek kosolo omadim jam jahani, yek kosolo
    10 rooz digeh barmigardim..
    DAIE 100% WOULD NOT HAVE TALKED in he was tm hc in world cup 100%

    Maili kohan, he would start crying and yell baseh digeh baseh...the reporters will get terrified.

    gotbi: ba del e shir omadim Jame jahani, irania hame shiran agha shir

    Galenoie , ah hala k habate ma shoodeh ,ein loos bazia ro dar avardan, hame midonan az koja Sar mikhoreh...HE WOULD YELL aliiiii to take care of the BBC reporter...

    Bronko: iran is my second country, I give answer in air plane on the way to Croatia.....

    Homayoun shahrokhi: ba dadkan omadam ba dadkan sohbat kunid

    Chiro: buy my book after I die ,I will explaining there.

    Jalal talebi: mama choosa Bian San Jose dar khedmatim.

    Pourhydari:saram dard mikuneh, futballi sohbat nakun.

    Ivic: only been o job for 2 games, they dont let me bring ibrahim tahami

    stanko: talk to mamad mayli please.

    Ali parvin: shoma az koja felan felan jayeeen

    Mehdi monajati: kasi kooshteh nashodeh

    Parviz dehdari : he gets mad the reporter talk before him and leave the room.

    Nasser ibrahimi : man eshtebah kardam omadam.

    Hassan agha habibi: chera bi ehterami mikoni, leave the room.


    ONLY PERSON WOULD QUIT before the first match due to people protesting
    Would be nasser khan hejazi, that's why he was never picked to be national team head coach...

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      Yes it did, I looked at the rankings last night again

      We had 11 pts fourth place. Saudi third place with 12 pts. if we got a draw against Saudi they would have came away with 10 pts in fourth and us with 12 pts in third. Third place we would ATLEAST have had playoffs against Bahrain and then beat New Zealand. Playoffs would have been less embarrassing than automatic disqualification


      Originally posted by milad_b View Post

      No it did not .The South Korea and North Korea games in the World Cup 2010 qualifiers were pivotal moments for us and the outcomes had a significant impact on our chances (not just Saudi). Draw against North korea and South korea (Last game) caused us to miss world cup. Any win in those 2 games and we would've been thro (directly ) by 13 poinst as 2nd team in our group.

      Losing to saudi arabia 2-1 in azadi Was bad but no where near the embrassing loss against England in WORLD cup witnessed by billions.

      I still believe to this day that If Daei was kept in charge the outcomes against North Korea and South Korea could have been different. We would've beaten North korea and draw against South Korea .

      The cycle of not learning from past mistakes continues... Funny thing is that we never learn from it and we keep getting punished for it. Everytime we change a coach before important Game/Tournament we always fail.

      When will you guys learn is a BIG question for me.

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        Originally posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
        I'm sure people remember that the biggest rival in 2022 world cup six weeks into Mahsa Amini murder and the Iran protests wasn't England/USA, wasn't the other players in the team that they were having arguments with, but was the internal conflict and anxiety within the players themselves - both their own feelings and knowing how they were being viewed by many Iranians in Iran on the eve of an international tournament. The biggest challenge was their own psychological state and emotions

        The world cup was gone before even the first ball was kicked, what was surreal is that a team which is so fractured and players who are so internally conflicted and confused about what to say or do somehow managed to return home without getting battered in all three games
        I agree, honestly how they didn’t concede 10+ goals versus England and managed to bounce back and beat wales is honestly mind blowing, especially with Beiro getting injured. I do however think that CQ got his tactics wrong against the US regardless. But overall the games were lost before it even started. All the fans booing the players, how can anyone perform for their international team while being hated by their own “fans”.

        I don’t know how they managed to convinced millions of people that 11, twenty sometbing year olds were their biggest enemies….

        we could’ve for sure made it out of that group. Sad events in all regards
        --------------------------Beiranvand-------------------
        --Moharrami----Hosseini--Kanaani----Amiri--
        ------------------Ezatolahi-----Ebrahimi--------------
        --Jahanbaksh---------Ghoddos------------Taremi--
        ---------------------------Azmoun----------------------


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          Originally posted by Karimi 8 View Post

          I agree, honestly how they didn’t concede 10+ goals versus England and managed to bounce back and beat wales is honestly mind blowing, especially with Beiro getting injured. I do however think that CQ got his tactics wrong against the US regardless. But overall the games were lost before it even started. All the fans booing the players, how can anyone perform for their international team while being hated by their own “fans”.

          I don’t know how they managed to convinced millions of people that 11, twenty sometbing year olds were their biggest enemies….

          we could’ve for sure made it out of that group. Sad events in all regards
          .
          It was a miracle - I honestly was not expecting anything other than three big defeats. It wasn't just the people that were against them, the players themselves were feeling such internal conflict, you could see in their faces how confused and anxious they were

          After years/decades of looking forward to this specific match and so looking forward to this world cup, many hardcore TM fans like myself were upset and I didn't want TM to play in the end. I saw the tournament being hijacked by IR and seeing seyedoona and his acolytes wandering about the stadiums abusing anyone wearing zan zendegi azadi (https://twitter.com/MehdiRizvi123/st...26694594596865). That world cup was over for me before it started because kicking a ball I felt was shadowed by the events happening in Iran - I don't think "oh we will win and the nation will be happy" could work this time, maybe in 1998 with smiling khatami coming along but not this time.

          The only criticism I could have about Queiroz was that after so long in Iran he didn't empathise with the majority of Iranians inside the country who were so upset about what was happening. In terms of football, it is an absolute dreamworld to believe that any other coach could have brought us 3 points.

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            Originally posted by Hosseini View Post
            Yes it did, I looked at the rankings last night again

            We had 11 pts fourth place. Saudi third place with 12 pts. if we got a draw against Saudi they would have came away with 10 pts in fourth and us with 12 pts in third. Third place we would ATLEAST have had playoffs against Bahrain and then beat New Zealand. Playoffs would have been less embarrassing than automatic disqualification


            Stop making Turkey Excuses ! A win against either korea and it was a direct ticket to world cup ! No Ifs and Not buts! We had 3 games after saudi - Thats 9 points!!!!! DPR Korea , UAE , South Korea. A win against DPR would've done the job. we're not talking about Japan here we're talking about same weak as North Korea that conceded 7 goals against Portugal.

            Again I still beleive it was a mistake to change Ali daei at that time. Afshin ghotbi didn't do shit . Same as what we experienced in 2022 WC. We changed the coach and we saw what happened.

            Never gonna learn from mistakes! Just making excuses excuses excuses!

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              Originally posted by milad_b View Post

              Again I still beleive it was a mistake to change Ali daei at that time. Afshin ghotbi didn't do shit . Same as what we experienced in 2022 WC. We changed the coach and we saw what happened.
              Yeah we saw what happened. We won a game at a World Cup. 3rd time that ever happened.

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                For WC 2022, TM should have been isolated from all outside events. Let them play football.
                IR and the red/brown types ruined the entire mood and environment around the tournament.

                can’t believe so many fell for crude 1970s propaganda.

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                  Originally posted by Nokhodi View Post
                  For WC 2022, TM should have been isolated from all outside events. Let them play football.
                  IR and the red/brown types ruined the entire mood and environment around the tournament.

                  can’t believe so many fell for crude 1970s propaganda.

                  It was impossible for that to happen though. And when hardcore pro-IR elements said "this is the team of the people, not the regime" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQG4vJttgpA), whilst simultaneously verbally and physically abusing woman/life/freedom folk, humans are humans I guess. Everything which happened was always gonna happen.

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                    Originally posted by mehdi13 View Post

                    Yeah we saw what happened. We won a game at a World Cup. 3rd time that ever happened.
                    And also 2018 (4pts and a shot on target away from winning the group) and 2022 (3pts with a sudden death winnable game against USA) were the closest we've come to qualifying from a WC group. All to play for going into the last game.

                    I know we also had 3pts in 1998 but we were never gonna beat Germany in the final game and even a draw would have seen us eliminated.

                    The point in 2014 wasn't as bad as 2006 given the difference in the quality of squads. 2006 and 1998 were our best two squads. 2014 was unquestionably our worst.
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                      Marc Wilmot Should win the award ....... it's not even close
                      “It is easier to fool the people, than to convince them they have been fooled." - Mark Twain

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                        There's a major difference between LOSING TO SAUDI at home and tying North Korea in Pyongyang at a hostile environment. Losing to Saudi at home is unacceptable and unprecedented. A draw away against NK is acceptable

                        1. Draw against UAE AWAY = 1 pt
                        2. Draw against South Korea HOME = 1 pt
                        3. Draw against NK AWAY = 1 pt
                        4. Beat UAE at HOME = 3 pt
                        5. Draw against Saudi AWAY = 1 pt
                        6. Draw against South Korea AWAY = 1 pt
                        7. Draw against Saudi at HOME = 1 pt
                        8. Beat NK at HOME = 3 pt

                        12 total, playoff atleast

                        All relatively acceptable results except for drawing UAE away and losing to Saudi at home. If we atleast staved off the Saudi defeat and drew we would have gotten the playoff spot which again is way better than losing to England. Daei failed and should have been sacked after the Saudi game. In fact he should never have been hired in the first place


                        Originally posted by milad_b View Post

                        Stop making Turkey Excuses ! A win against either korea and it was a direct ticket to world cup ! No Ifs and Not buts! We had 3 games after saudi - Thats 9 points!!!!! DPR Korea , UAE , South Korea. A win against DPR would've done the job. we're not talking about Japan here we're talking about same weak as North Korea that conceded 7 goals against Portugal.

                        Again I still beleive it was a mistake to change Ali daei at that time. Afshin ghotbi didn't do shit . Same as what we experienced in 2022 WC. We changed the coach and we saw what happened.

                        Never gonna learn from mistakes! Just making excuses excuses excuses!

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                          We can talk all we want, the main problem is that we are unable to produce TM material domestic coach

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                            Originally posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post

                            .
                            It was a miracle - I honestly was not expecting anything other than three big defeats. It wasn't just the people that were against them, the players themselves were feeling such internal conflict, you could see in their faces how confused and anxious they were

                            After years/decades of looking forward to this specific match and so looking forward to this world cup, many hardcore TM fans like myself were upset and I didn't want TM to play in the end. I saw the tournament being hijacked by IR and seeing seyedoona and his acolytes wandering about the stadiums abusing anyone wearing zan zendegi azadi (https://twitter.com/MehdiRizvi123/st...26694594596865). That world cup was over for me before it started because kicking a ball I felt was shadowed by the events happening in Iran - I don't think "oh we will win and the nation will be happy" could work this time, maybe in 1998 with smiling khatami coming along but not this time.

                            The only criticism I could have about Queiroz was that after so long in Iran he didn't empathise with the majority of Iranians inside the country who were so upset about what was happening. In terms of football, it is an absolute dreamworld to believe that any other coach could have brought us 3 points.
                            Yeah one of my friends went to the game versus the US and she said the vibe of the Iranian fans section was so odd. Full of hezbollahis / people wearing hijab, arguments amongst Iranians. It was all just tension. And I agree the players looked so lost and confused. Other teams had to jsut deal with the stress of the World Cup game lol we had a million other issues going on way before the game was even considered
                            --------------------------Beiranvand-------------------
                            --Moharrami----Hosseini--Kanaani----Amiri--
                            ------------------Ezatolahi-----Ebrahimi--------------
                            --Jahanbaksh---------Ghoddos------------Taremi--
                            ---------------------------Azmoun----------------------


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                              Originally posted by OFFSIDE_1 View Post
                              Marc Wilmot Should win the award ....... it's not even close
                              You’re right lol I definitely forgot about him when voting, that was daylight robbery what he did. It’s actually astonishing, the level of incompetence form our federation and himself. He just came and secured himself a nice retirement bonus and left laughing too the bank.
                              --------------------------Beiranvand-------------------
                              --Moharrami----Hosseini--Kanaani----Amiri--
                              ------------------Ezatolahi-----Ebrahimi--------------
                              --Jahanbaksh---------Ghoddos------------Taremi--
                              ---------------------------Azmoun----------------------


                              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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                                Originally posted by Karimi 8 View Post

                                You’re right lol I definitely forgot about him when voting, that was daylight robbery what he did. It’s actually astonishing, the level of incompetence form our federation and himself. He just came and secured himself a nice retirement bonus and left laughing too the bank.
                                Marc the SCUMBAG Wilmots had not yet been hired when this poll went up otherwise he would have been the clear winner.

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