Iran wants to fire Marc Wilmots

[Kiarash]

https://www.telewebion.com/episode/2159738

Long 90min show on current state of TM

Any brief summary of what has been discussed?

[Ab-Gosht]

Any brief summary of what has been discussed?

i watched most of it most funny part was when they were saying iranian gov spends 0,5% of their budget on sports but some western european giv spends much more lik 8%.

They were all saying we cant afford to pay 2-3m a year for foreign coach and we cant even manage them we should go for iranian coach

[perspolis#1]

If Goals by Nikbakht and Hashemian SAVED Branko ... then ... how can you forget that GUCCI single handedly sent us to World Cup in Brazil ... his hustle against Korea and a lucky deflection that came his way aganist Qatar and he finished it ... not forgetting the incredible saves from our goalie in Seoul
Speaking of goalie ... Berianvand SHOULD have saved the Iraq winner ...
so as much as I agree with WILMOTS being the wrong choice, both due to his resume AND overall commttment to Football much less Team Melli .... let's not be selective with our history when we choose to bring it up
Thank you

No that ocurred to me. But in 2018 we didnt need any lucky breaks at all which is why it was not mentioned.

I guess it comes down to whether you think Branko can produce results as a caretaker.

Personally I give him 60/40 odds just because of the individual talent on our team

[Abedzadeh]

No that ocurred to me. But in 2018 we didnt need any lucky breaks at all which is why it was not mentioned.
I guess it comes down to whether you think Branko can produce results as a caretaker.
Personally I give him 60/40 odds just because of the individual talent on our team

The key distinction, which seems many here missed, is that the Nikbakht header against Jordan, and Vahid's sublime performance against Qatar, were needed to rescue us from the brink of elimination from the preliminary round of WC qualification. In other words, we would have been eliminated from the WC after just the preliminary round of qualifiers.

In the 2014 WCQs, by contrast, we had no problem advancing from the preliminary round (where our group consisted of Qatar, Bahrain, Thailand, etc.), so the situations were not analogous. Our match against SK in Ulsan occurred during the final round of WC qualification, so the comparison to the situation in 2004 is invalid, and is a false equivalency. Even if we lost to South Korea in Ulsan, we would have still qualified for the play-off, whereas in 2004, if it were not for the two performances you mentioned, we would have been outright eliminated. That is the situation we are facing now.

[Sly]

The key distinction, which seems many here missed, is that the Nikbakht header against Jordan, and Vahid's sublime performance against Qatar, were needed to rescue us from the brink of elimination from the preliminary round of WC qualification. In other words, we would have been eliminated from the WC after just the preliminary round of qualifiers.

In the 2014 WCQs, by contrast, we had no problem advancing from the preliminary round (where our group consisted of Qatar, Bahrain, Thailand, etc.), so the situations were not analogous. Our match against SK in Ulsan occurred during the final round of WC qualification, so the comparison to the situation in 2004 is invalid, and is a false equivalency. Even if we lost to South Korea in Ulsan, we would have still qualified for the play-off, whereas in 2004, if it were not for the two performances you mentioned, we would have been outright eliminated. That is the situation we are facing now.

Dude...a play off in 2014 would mean even if we beat Jordan in the play off, we had to face Uruguay against whom we did not stand a chance! Going to the play off in 2014 would more or less mean elimination from the WC (if you think otherwise you are just kidding yourself). Thus the comparison with Branko's time is very much valid IMO.

[DWArthur]

Dude...

Lots of Huntington and Venice beach members here lol so cute

[Abedzadeh]

Dude...a play off in 2014 would mean even if we beat Jordan in the play off, we had to face Uruguay against whom we did not stand a chance! Going to the play off in 2014 would more or less mean elimination from the WC (if you think otherwise you are just kidding yourself). Thus the comparison with Branko's time is very much valid IMO.

The content of your post is irrelevant to the point that I was making, which was that the heroics of the players mentioned by "perspolis#1" were required to save TM from the brink of elimination in just the preliminary round of WC qualification, in contrast to the heroics of the players mentioned in the '14 WC campaign, which occurred in the final round of WC qualification. Stated differently, it's not that I "think" the comparison is not analogous, or invalid ..... it is invalid, period. In 2014, we advanced out of the preliminary qualification round (without requiring any heroics), so that fact alone in and of itself makes the comparison invalid.

Sure, you can argue and debate whether we would have stood a chance in the play-off against Uruguay had we failed to beat SK in Ulsan, but that would be a separate and irrelevant discussion beside the point; if we failed to defeat SK in Ulsan, in the final round of WCQs, we still would not have been eliminated from the WC, unlike in 2004 where we would have been eliminated in the preliminary round (meaning that we would have played no further matches against any opponent). This is a critical distinction that should not be casually dismissed, and you are conflating separate issues.

[Sly]

The content of your post is irrelevant to the point that I was making, which was that the heroics of the players mentioned by "perspolis#1" were required to save TM from the brink of elimination in just the preliminary round of WC qualification, in contrast to the heroics of the players mentioned in the '14 WC campaign, which occurred in the final round of WC qualification. Stated differently, it's not that I "think" the comparison is not analogous, or invalid ..... it is invalid, period. In 2014, we advanced out of the preliminary qualification round (without requiring any heroics), so that fact alone in and of itself makes the comparison invalid.
Sure, you can argue and debate whether we would have stood a chance in the play-off against Uruguay had we failed to beat SK in Ulsan, but that would be a separate and irrelevant discussion beside the point; if we failed to defeat SK in Ulsan, in the final round of WCQs, we still would not have been eliminated from the WC, unlike in 2004 where we would have been eliminated in the preliminary round (meaning that we would have played no further matches against any opponent). This is a critical distinction that should not be casually dismissed, and you are conflating separate issues.

Yes, in 2014 we would not get eliminated from the WC directly as we would have in 2004 but we would have gotten a bit later instead. It doesn't matter how you twist and turn the words and the arguments, the outcome would still turn out the same. and if you think Gucci's goal and Rahman Ahmadi's double save against SK were not heroic, you are not only babbling in a try to win an argument, you are also belittling their efforts.

Without Gucci's goal and Rahman Ahmadi's heroic double save, we would have eventually been eliminated from the WC. They saved our a$$es and that my friend is a fact! CQ would have been fired and he would have been known as a coach with failure in Iran. Remember our 2 WCs (2014 and 2018) and thank our heroes Gucci and Ahmadi for that.

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

Lots of Huntington and Venice beach members here lol so cute

Manhattan Beach checking in here

[Abedzadeh]

Yes, in 2014 we would not get eliminated from the WC directly as we would have in 2004

Meaning the situations were not analogous. Again, I am going to repeat this because it seems you are missing the distinction, in the '06 WCQs TM faced a realistic prospect of elimination in only the preliminary round of the qualifiers, and only avoided elimination due to the heroics of certain players. This was not the case in the '14 WCQs, as TM easily advanced from the preliminary qualification round without needing to rely on any heroics.

but we would have gotten a bit later instead.

Lol, you can try to change the subject as much as you want, but it won't work because this is totally irrelevant, and is a different subject altogether. It is also a mere inference on your part (i.e. it is not a fact). While it was a realistic possibility that Uruguay would have eliminated us had we faced them in the play-off, there is also nonetheless a possibility that we would have eliminated them, however remote. But none of that matters because that discussion is beside the point that TM - in the '14 WCQs - did not face any prospect of being eliminated in the preliminary round of qualification, which is the real point that you are trying to divert the focus from.

It doesn't matter how you twist and turn the words and the arguments, the outcome would still turn out the same. and if you think Gucci's goal and Rahman Ahmadi's double save against SK were not heroic, you are not only babbling in a try to win an argument, you are also belittling their efforts.
Without Gucci's goal and Rahman Ahmadi's heroic double save, we would have eventually been eliminated from the WC. They saved our a$$es and that my friend is a fact! CQ would have been fired and he would have been known as a coach with failure in Iran. Remember our 2 WCs (2014 and 2018) and thank our heroes Gucci and Ahmadi for that.

No, the only person here babbling nonsense and trying to twist and divert the argument here is you. The point here was pretty simple; "perspolis#1" specifically mentioned how we needed to rely upon the heroics of individual players just to survive elimination from the preliminary round of the '06 WCQs, and another member responded by making an invalid comparison to the heroics of certain TM players during a match in the final round of the '14 WCQs, which were not analogous situations by virtue of that simple fact.

That is a critical factual difference which you are trying to sweep under the rug, and divert everyone's attention by deflecting and trying to change the issue into whether we would have been subsequently eliminated by Uruguay. The reason why you continue to spew this hot air is because you are trying to diminish and belittle the value of TM's qualification to Brasil under CQ, by drawing a false equivalency to br-AN-G0H's joke of a WCQ campaign in 2006 where we needed the heroics of Nikbakht, and Vahid ..... just to advance out of the preliminary round. Nobody here doubts the heroics of Rahman or Gucci ..... the only simple point we are making is that those heroics were not needed until the final round of the '14 WCQs ..... which was not the case in the '06 WCQs. This is a key fact which apparently went way over your head.

If anything, you are blatantly disrespecting the contributions of Rahman and Gucci when you try to falsely analogize their efforts with the heroics we saw from Nikbakht and Vahid. If you sincerely respected the value of Rahman and Gucci's efforts in our WCQ campaign, you should at least try to keep some basic facts straight (i.e. which round of the qualifiers did we witness their heroics - the preliminary round, or the final round).

[sarbaz]

Laguna Beach is present here too fellas.

[Sly]

Meaning the situations were not analogous. Again, I am going to repeat this because it seems you are missing the distinction, in the '06 WCQs TM faced a realistic prospect of elimination in only the preliminary round of the qualifiers, and only avoided elimination due to the heroics of certain players. This was not the case in the '14 WCQs, as TM easily advanced from the preliminary qualification round without needing to rely on any heroics.
Lol, you can try to change the subject as much as you want, but it won't work because this is totally irrelevant, and is a different subject altogether. It is also a mere inference on your part (i.e. it is not a fact). While it was a realistic possibility that Uruguay would have eliminated us had we faced them in the play-off, there is also nonetheless a possibility that we would have eliminated them, however remote. But none of that matters because that discussion is beside the point that TM - in the '14 WCQs - did not face any prospect of being eliminated in the preliminary round of qualification, which is the real point that you are trying to divert the focus from.
No, the only person here babbling nonsense and trying to twist and divert the argument here is you. The point here was pretty simple; "perspolis#1" specifically mentioned how we needed to rely upon the heroics of individual players just to survive elimination from the preliminary round of the '06 WCQs, and another member responded by making an invalid comparison to the heroics of certain TM players during a match in the final round of the '14 WCQs, which were not analogous situations by virtue of that simple fact.
That is a critical factual difference which you are trying to sweep under the rug, and divert everyone's attention by deflecting and trying to change the issue into whether we would have been subsequently eliminated by Uruguay. The reason why you continue to spew this hot air is because you are trying to diminish and belittle the value of TM's qualification to Brasil under CQ, by drawing a false equivalency to br-AN-G0H's joke of a WCQ campaign in 2006 where we needed the heroics of Nikbakht, and Vahid ..... just to advance out of the preliminary round. Nobody here doubts the heroics of Rahman or Gucci ..... the only simple point we are making is that those heroics were not needed until the final round of the '14 WCQs ..... which was not the case in the '06 WCQs. This is a key fact which apparently went way over your head.
If anything, you are blatantly disrespecting the contributions of Rahman and Gucci when you try to falsely analogize their efforts with the heroics we saw from Nikbakht and Vahid. If you sincerely respected the value of Rahman and Gucci's efforts in our WCQ campaign, you should at least try to keep some basic facts straight (i.e. which round of the qualifiers did we witness their heroics - the preliminary round, or the final round).

LOOOL....all you are trying to do is to bring up the preliminary round against the final round. and it doesn't matter if the outcome would be the same, only that we would have been eliminated sooner in 2006.

It's not a competition about who would get eliminated first! It's about elimination. Period! Something that you don't want to accept.

and no...I don't belittle CQ's achievements. No coach has ever been as good for us as CQ. but what I'm trying to say is, the situation you try to bring upon Branko (he was saved by heroic of our players), can happen to any coach, even our best coach, CQ! So the argument is not valid.

[Kiarash]

When will he actually be fired?

[Sarbaze-Vatan]

When will he actually be fired?

At the moment this is the most recent update today which says IFF and Wilmots are still continuing their negotiation about whether It is better they terminate the cooperation or conttinue:

https://www.khabaronline.ir/news/132...88%D8%AA%D8%B3

One of IFF members said they will ask Wilmots in the meeting to stay in Iran full time from now on based on the contract terms. If he does not accept, both sides terminate the cooperation. At the moment, there is high chance they end the cooperation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj3LE_3qqgU

[Sarbaze-Vatan]

When will he actually be fired?

1. Do you prefer top local coaches like Daei, Ghalenoei, Yahya, Jalal, etc. or Wilmots?
2. Do you prefer top local coaches like Daei, Ghalenoei, Yahya, Jalal, etc. or Branko and Stramaccioni?