Top AFC managers must be dismissed

[kianstarwars]

look at what you are sending and actually read it.

FIFA introducing harsher punishment for those found guilty of racism. OK. Key word is found guilty (AFC didnt find anybody guilty they just got a load of saudi cash up their ass last minute, wont work that easy with CAS). They also introduce legislation allowing for victims to make statements and participate in proceedings (which no uzbek player wanted to do and complaint was not even lodged by them). Not sure who is victim here, his nephew?

Last article is about bahraini player making the gesture AT THE FANS!!!!! who were all from hong kong. What does this have to do with alekasir situation? We know for a fact hes been doing celebration regularly for 4 years. We know for a fact its for the love of his nephew. I hope you are not disputing that.

AND NOWHERE in anything you sent is a 6 month ban from football mentioned.

I am still at a loss regarding this decision. Isn't Alkasir's explanation of his intention enough to overturn this clearly anti-Iran decision?

[kianstarwars]

If you are referring to the ban of the PP forward, i am afraid we have no case based on that. Even FIFA would have issued him with a ban for that celebration which would be deamed as racist from all angles.

The fact that he intended no resist insult to anyone has no weight here? Having no intention to insult amounts to "no case?"

[kianstarwars]

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I haven't seen what you are referring to; I personally don't dislike Arabs and I am not a "Persepolisi" either. My concentration is only on Alekasir's intentions or lack thereof and think that this harsh decision is unfair to him. In the future any passionate move by any player can be interpreted as this or that.
گنه کرد در بلخ آهنگری؛ به شوشتر زدند گردن مسگری

[kianstarwars]

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My whole argument is that Alekasir didn't have any race related intention. Are you saying that he did?

[diz]

My whole argument is that Alekasir didn't have any race related intention. Are you saying that he did?

I agree with you, but sadly, intent is not the issue (because every truly racist action can also argue intent). The rules are clear (but were simply not applied consistently). Gestures that are generally and/or traditionally considered racist should not be tolerated.

[kianstarwars]

I agree with you, but sadly, intent is not the issue (because every truly racist action can also argue intent). The rules are clear (but were simply not applied consistently). Gestures that are generally and/or traditionally considered racist should not be tolerated.

But those "Gods" that write the rules must also consider an innocent defendant's case. I am not convinced; or, maybe I don't know the whole story.

[diz]

To put it another way, while his actions were in SUPPORT of his nephew, audience members around the world may/would/should find his action racist/derogatory/offensive/etc. Which is why intent is largely irrelevant.

[nisfejahan]

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I do not know what it is with you guys trying to turn everything upside down. A racist gesture it was not. First of all, there is no racism against slanted-eye people in Iran. It is simply not a THING as much as you guys trying to make it one. A large portion of the Iranian population has some form of slanted-eye. They are not singled out in any way form or manner. It simply is NOT A THING, never has been.

Ale-Kasir had a very reasonable explanation and was very plausible. But that is irrelevant as well.

It is simply not acceptable for AFC to condemn an action, issue a sentence for that action, without any due process. And then use that excuse to effect the outcome of a semi-final match in the signature club-competition of Asia. That is not how things are done anywhere but the AFC.

If Ale-Kasir is guilty of anything, it is overestimating the intelligence of his compatriots in the West, who are the first ones jumping on the bandwagon. He should not be blamed for not knowing how off the rails the PC culture in the west has gone, nor for not knowing how utterly corrupt the AFC can be.

[diz]

I do not know what it is with you guys trying to turn everything upside down. A racist gesture it was not. First of all, there is no racism against slanted-eye people in Iran. It is simply not a THING as much as you guys trying to make it one. A large portion of the Iranian population has some form of slanted-eye. They are not singled out in any way form or manner. It simply is NOT A THING, never has been.
Ale-Kasir had a very reasonable explanation and was very plausible. But that is irrelevant as well.

It is simply not acceptable for AFC to condemn an action, issue a sentence for that action, without any due process. And then use that excuse to effect the outcome of a semi-final match in the signature club-competition of Asia. That is not how things are done anywhere but the AFC.
If Ale-Kasir is guilty of anything, it is overestimating the intelligence of his compatriots in the West, who are the first ones jumping on the bandwagon. He should not be blamed for not knowing how off the rails the PC culture in the west has gone, nor for not knowing how utterly corrupt the AFC can be.

Again, I agree that the application, execution, and timing of the rules was unjust and inconsistent. Having said that, again intent is largely irrelevant. If a player starts making monkey noises and gestures as a goal celebration because he wants to promote his chimpanzee sanctuary, it would still be offensive to many worldwide audiences. Football is a a worldwide phenomenon, we have to have consistent rules, which is what makes this game so great. If anything, I also blame IPL, his coach, and FFIR for not telling him earlier that this was not appropriate. Many on this very forum questioned his celebration as it happened live. It was clearly cringe-worthy, despite the sweet story/intent behind it.

[kianstarwars]

I would be a happier person if I could be as relaxed as you in the face of injustice. I am very pissed that people can be accepting injustice so calmly. We Iranians! Wonder if any other people especially the Saudis would accept such a verdict. Shame on us.

[diz]

I fully agree the PP and Iran should challenge this on the grounds that the ruling was applied inconsistently and also expeditiously without proper fact finding, interviews, etc. In Addition, the timing of the announcement 2 hours before the match is highly suspect, which undoubtedly caused a psychological shock to the entire team. We, as Iranians, are very passionate people. The more we approach these things with thought, planning, and evidence, the better.

[webmaster]

Just email the photos of Messi and others doing the same gesture to these mofos. It should teach them something.

[nisfejahan]

Again, I agree that the application, execution, and timing of the rules was unjust and inconsistent. Having said that, again intent is largely irrelevant. If a player starts making monkey noises and gestures as a goal celebration because he wants to promote his chimpanzee sanctuary, it would still be offensive to many worldwide audiences. Football is a a worldwide phenomenon, we have to have consistent rules, which is what makes this game so great. If anything, I also blame IPL, his coach, and FFIR for not telling him earlier that this was not appropriate. Many on this very forum questioned his celebration as it happened live. It was clearly cringe-worthy, despite the sweet story/intent behind it.

Diz jan, he was not making a gesture that is clearly racist, nor universally know to be racist. He should not be expected to know what is considered racist in other parts of the world. In Iran, where he is born, raised and lives, this is not considered racist in any way for or manner. It just is not. If it was so in Iran, the issue would have been raised before since he has done it for years.

Making monkey noise is different as it is more universally known to be offensive.

Should Iranian players be expected to know that making the OK sign is now a "white pride" sign? What if making the cross on the chest is considered offensive to some group? Should Iranian soccer players now study the different signs and gestures before taking the field?

I remember the same Persian Gulf sheiks had their underwear bunched up over a gesture Taremi made years ago and tried to make it an issue.

At the end of the day, Al-Nasr and the corrupt AFC were looking for an excuse, any excuse, to weaken PP. If it was not that, they would be questioning PPs roster and if the players were allowed to play. Oh...wait...they are doing that now.

[webmaster]

There is no question the AFC is corrupt. I just hope our country will be free someday to really return them the favor suing them in courts and win cases after cases against them.

After the incompetent IR is gone, we will have a lot of reviewing and taking action to do. The AFC must pay back for all they did to us. That day will come.

AMEN!!

[diz]

nisfejahan jaan, again I agree with your general sentiments and passion, but in a court of arbitration, it would be very difficult to argue this. Iran is multi-ethnic, certainly with "Asian"-looking citizens to the north and from the east. In addition, the AFC contains a billion Chinese (not to mention Japanese, Vietnamese, Laotian, etc members). To argue ignorance of the rules or ignorance that this gesture can be interpreted as racist is a very weak argument in courts. The cross sign and the WP sign etc will likely catch up and be treated similarly. But the slanted eyes sign is cringe-worthy before, now, and in the future. It would be best to argue against this ruling from an inconsistent application and the suspicious timing standpoint.