TM-News-Vol. 6

[Gol Bezan]

why are we here in PFDC stuck with a default 4-2-3-1 line up?
We haven’t played it since Branco left TM, and that was almost 15 years ago...

Huh? We literally played it against Bahrain and Iraq

[Adesor Vafaseya]

skocic just said after Uzbek game that he sees teams regular formation as 4231 and was just trying out 4312 to start the match.

Ghalat Kard Skocic!!!

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Huh? We literally played it against Bahrain and Iraq

I beg to differ, but then again I am an old bissaved man...

[inarsenewetrust]

I beg to differ, but then again I am an old bissaved man...

we played it. Although it included ansarifard and shojaei so it looked nothing like it should.

[The]

If we are going to use 4231 then we must chose between Sardar or Mehdi. Can't have them both playing at the same time.
I don't care that QC played Mehdi on the wing in his ultra defensive system. The combo of Gholizadeh---Ghoddos---ARJ is just too good to pass up.

[Gol Bezan]

If we are going to use 4231 then we must chose between Sardar or Mehdi. Can't have them both playing at the same time.
I don't care that QC played Mehdi on the wing in his ultra defensive system. The combo of Gholizadeh---Ghoddos---ARJ is just too good to pass up.

Haha no. Taremi and Azmoun are too good too pass up if you're going by that logic. You are allowed to substitute players in football.

[Sepehr9]

If we are going to use 4231 then we must chose between Sardar or Mehdi. Can't have them both playing at the same time.
I don't care that QC played Mehdi on the wing in his ultra defensive system. The combo of Gholizadeh---Ghoddos---ARJ is just too good to pass up.

Yeah sure, let's bench one of the best two forwards we have (goalscoring machines) who also happen to form a great strike partnership, for a benchwarmer at FC Brighton, makes sense.

[The]

Haha no. Taremi and Azmoun are too good too pass up if you're going by that logic. You are allowed to substitute players in football.

Gholizadeh, Arj and Ghoddos are all better on the wing than Mehdi. There's an argument to be made that he should be played on the wing if we are facing a team of Spain or Portugal calibre and we are being ultra defensive, but against the likes of Iraq and Bahrain, no way.

Mehdi is a great striker and should be played in that role. As you said, you can substitute players in football, so bring him on For Sardar or vice-versa.

Playing him on the wing is a disservice to him and the more talented wingers on the team.

Again this is all if we are playing a formation with one striker. In a 442, things are different

[inarsenewetrust]

Gholizadeh, Arj and Ghoddos are all better on the wing than Mehdi. There's an argument to be made that he should be played on the wing if we are facing a team of Spain or Portugal calibre and we are being ultra defensive, but against the likes of Iraq and Bahrain, no way.
Mehdi is a great striker and should be played in that role. As you said, you can substitute players in football, so bring him on For Sardar or vice-versa.
Playing him on the wing is a disservice to him and the more talented wingers on the team.
Again this is all if we are playing a formation with one striker. In a 442, things are different

No they are not. ARJ from the wing has never been the threat that Taremi has been on the left. WC games are not the only evidence of that. He played from the left in almost all of our qualifying games to great effect. In friendlies coming from the Left he was also brilliant, see algeria match, russia match. Same with Asian Cup games. It was not some isolated games vs portugal and spain. although that only strengthens his case.

It is not a disservice to him at all, are you saying that CQ who by playing him there made him shine on the national stage for 4 years was doing a disservice to him? He does not play as an orthodox wing and his tucking in is super hard for defenders to mark. Taremi and Azmoun are our best players and have a killer combo together for 4 years. They need to start together. Gholizadeh is emerging as our most consistent attacking threat and looked brilliant in the CAM role vs uzbekistan. Currently ARJ and Ghoddos will battle it out for the last position in games where we need Ebrahimi+Ezatolahi starting in D mid line and in other games both can start.

Im not sure why after years of playing with Taremi off LEft and Sardar off right to amazing effect we suddenly HAVE to change it. CQ decided on that and it was one of the best elements of our team for a super long time.

Here is just a couple examples of Taremi being "wasted" at wing LOL. Obviously there are many many more. Vs Qatar in crunch qualifier in doha he also played wing, that time right, and scored a brilliant goal Running from OUT TO IN again. Again he scored in 2-0 win over uzbek at home from same position to seal qualification.

If you have any anecdotal or statistical evidence of him being wasted at wing or others performing better there please share it, if its just a "gut feeling" and the evidence contradicts it clearly then its hard to have an honest discussion about it.

[The]

No they are not. ARJ from the wing has never been the threat that Taremi has been on the left. WC games are not the only evidence of that. He played from the left in almost all of our qualifying games to great effect. In friendlies coming from the Left he was also brilliant, see algeria match. Same with Asian Cup games. It was not some isolated games vs portugal and spain.
It is not a disservice to him at all, are you saying that CQ who by playing him there made him shine on the national stage for 4 years was doing a disservice to him? He does not play as an orthodox wing and his tucking in is super hard for defenders to mark. Taremi and Azmoun are our best players and have a killer combo together for 4 years. They need to start together. Gholizadeh is emerging as our most consistent attacking threat and looked brilliant in the CAM role vs uzbekistan. Currently ARJ and Ghoddos will battle it out for the last position in games where we need Ebrahimi+Ezatolahi starting in D mid line and in other games both can start.
Im not sure why after years of playing with Taremi off LEft and Sardar off right to amazing effect we suddenly HAVE to change it. CQ decided on that and it was one of the best elements of our team for a super long time.

Because circumstances have changed.

- Taremi is a much better striker than he was two years ago.
- We need pace on the wings and every single one of those guys are quicker than him.
- Gholizadeh has improved significantly and needs to start.
- ARJ is a more well-rounded player now ( and was one of if not the best winger in the Dutch league 2 seasons in a row). Taremi is a better striker than ARJ, ARJ the better winger (best in TM).
- We have a different coach.
- Our defense and DMs aren't solid enough to rely on to win games by playing CQ/Mourinho anti-football, so we need to score more, and that can't be achieved with more creativity and pace.

Basically what I'm getting at is that we can't just keep doing the same thing "because CQ did it".

[kapenak]

any lineup without both Mehdi and Sardar would be insanity

[inarsenewetrust]

Because circumstances have changed.
- Taremi is a much better striker than he was two years ago.
- We need pace on the wings and every single one of those guys are quicker than him.
- Gholizadeh has improved significantly and needs to start.
- ARJ is a more well-rounded player now ( and was one of if not the best winger in the Dutch league 2 seasons in a row). Taremi is a better striker than ARJ, ARJ the better winger (best in TM).
- We have a different coach.
- Our defense and DMs aren't solid enough to rely on to win games by playing CQ/Mourinho anti-football, so we need to score more, and that can't be achieved with more creativity and pace.
Basically what I'm getting at is that we can't just keep doing the same thing "because CQ did it".

Taremi is not slow by any means. Watch that goal we scored against russia. Anyways having ARJ on instead of him doesnt revolutionalize our team in terms of speed. In fact I personally dont even think ARJ could win a straight sprint against many defenders like taremi can. Taremi's running style, huge strides and ability to get himself in front of opposition defenders means he can win more foot races than ARJ. If ARJ is faster than taremi it is not something that is noticeable.

WE need to score more so that can be achieved with two of our smartest players and biggest goal threats lol. Having 2 of gholizadeh and Saman/ARJ combined with taremi coming from his traditional inside left role and azmoun up top does not prevent us from doing that. I agree gholi is a must start at CAM. So is Taremi at LW and Azmoun at CF. ARJ and Ghoddos battle it out for RW slot depending on form and opposition.

With introduction of moharrami who gives us new speed dimension and dribbling ability on right plus milads improving offensive output and speed we are not slow by any means in wide areas. And just because we have a different coach doesnt mean we need to throw away to foundations of our team that we have been building successfully for a long time. That would be insanity.

We need to use the blueprint CQ provided, build on it, improve it in certain areas (introduction of gholizadeh and moharrami, rotational options of Shoja+Kanaani stronger than before, bench options improving like Kaveh, ghaedi, others). Not throw away a central partnership in a formation that provides balance bc of "creativity and pace" and bc "CQ did it 2 years ago". Not a substantive argument.

I agree with you that taremi became a better striker in the past couple seasons. But I think that is mainly due to him becoming a better finisher, and improving his link up play. Two characteristics that can be very useful on the wing for TM. Until we see real hard evidence that Taremi from Left and Azmoun at CF does not work, there is no reason to change it or punish our two best players, for both TM and in their clubs for a long long time.

[BacheLot]

Because circumstances have changed.

- Taremi is a much better striker than he was two years ago.
- We need pace on the wings and every single one of those guys are quicker than him.
- Gholizadeh has improved significantly and needs to start.
- ARJ is a more well-rounded player now ( and was one of if not the best winger in the Dutch league 2 seasons in a row). Taremi is a better striker than ARJ, ARJ the better winger (best in TM).
- We have a different coach.
- Our defense and DMs aren't solid enough to rely on to win games by playing CQ/Mourinho anti-football, so we need to score more, and that can't be achieved with more creativity and pace.

Basically what I'm getting at is that we can't just keep doing the same thing "because CQ did it".

our CMF area is weak as fk with limited options in the works ftb and foreseeable near future..!
we still lacking a highly technical dribbler in mold of Shojae, karimi, to break down packed defenses..!! and no Gholi aint really it either..!
even our backline lately becoming a bit experimental and short of solid, reliable and well experienced options.
we as a team can not move well w/o the ball and as a team we really can't Pass for shittt, hence can not dictate possession and tempo to run any sorta successful mostly attacking game tactic, especially so vs quality opponents.
our forwards and wing attackers are still relatively wasteful with golden chances and require multiple chances and especially much easier and wider openings in order to put the ball in the back of the net..! our attack in general looks somewhat toothless vs packed and quality enough defenses ..! evidence by our Low Team Scoring Stats over the recent years..!(especially taking out the fluke 14-0 win over cambodia? was it..?)

we are in a very precarious group situation currently and likely going to be in a relatively unprepared shape by the time we face crucial remaining wcq matches next year..!

it would be utter foolishness now to try to adapt to a whole new mostly attacking tactics, especially considering how successful we've been in squeezing out favorable Results over the recent years, sticking to our strength as a footballing nation, which is mostly Defensive and Countering formation and tactics..!!

[Sepehr9]

On what planet is Taremi slow?

In any formation, 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 etc, Taremi and Azmoun should always start seeing that they are our two best forwards. Also, they complement each other and form the best strike partnership in Asia.

Considering that Skocic will go for a 4-2-3-1 system, i agree with InArsenewetrust. I'd go with this formation seeing that Rezaeian is banned from TM unfortunately.

Beiranvand

Moharami Pouraliganji Khalizadeh Mohamadi

Ezatolahi Nourollahi/Ebrahimi

Ghoddos Gholizadeh Taremi

Azmoun

Jahanbakhsh, Ghaedi, Ansarifard, Rezaei, Torabi and co are good back-up and substitution options.

[inarsenewetrust]

a nice summary by the helicopter regarding what was accomplished in this camp, positives, team unity, etc.

Hashemian and Skocic + his other staff other staff seem at the very least very detailed and hardworking. Whether or not they can make key tactical changes and big selection calls (leaving hajsafi out for good is number 1 to be made) is another story and one that we cannot pass judgement on yet. But so far positive signs and all the players have spoken well regarding him and the general team vibe following this first match in a year in excellent and that is all we can ask for.

Lets fly through october with hopefully, knock on wood, no injuries + legionnaire success in CL, EL, and domestic comps. and get back to TM in november.

On a personal note I find it interesting how much I look forward to international break as a TM fan and most of my non iranian friends seem to dread it. In the days of highly inflated transfer fees, players switching clubs like underwear, overpaid superstars, and clubs ran by idiot financial executives who know nothing about the sport taking over club scene , what TM provides on an emotional/human level is not close to being matched.