(#POLL) Comparing coaches thread: Who is the best? Skocic, Wilmotz, CQ, Branko, Daei,

[Philosophy_King]

This is very disrespectful. Masoud Shojaie is one of the ALL TIME GREATS of Iranian football. His long career and service to TM should be praised. HE saved TM many many times with MOM performances. And he had a lion's heart...telling the president of Iran to his face to allow Iranian women into football stadiums. CQ had no issue excluding his stars when the needs of the team were elsewhere..go ask Nekounam etc..the fact that the greatest coach of TM (see the results of the poll) kept inviting Shojaie should tell you that maybe you are wrong. Respect (Adab) is the most-praised attribute in Iran. Please be more respectful.

No he is absolutely not! Do you really want to compare Shojaei to Ali Daei, Nekounam, Mahdavikia, Hashemian, AK08, Azizi, Bagheri etc. ect.? These are ALL-TIME Greats of TM. I would rate Dejagah, Zandi, Ando, Taremi, Azmoun and many many other players above him.

Infact Masoud made many mistakes in the built up game, got several unnecessary red card that cost us the game or put us in bad position (f.e. Iraq WCQ 2022 in the first stage, or our Korea game in Tehran back in 2013.). In a recent podcast of Gol Bezan he was bolt enough to think that he could still be helpful to Tm, which is the definition of being delusional and egoistic. The guy should have retired right after the WC 2014. The vast majority of PDFC-Members complained about his performance in the past 4-5 years.

[DR Strangemoosh]

I never understood why Branko leapfrogged Masoud's career like that when we had all these other young players, including the 23 year-old (at the time) IPL player of the year (who wasn't even taken to the 06 world cup... , and was gradually phased out after he refused to help Branko get that D.Zagreb bung....) All this talent was wasted, where Queiroz fostered and helped the young players even at the expense of players who we thought at first shouldn't be dropped


Regarding Masoud, over the last 5-6 years of his international career he had 2 great games and the rest he either average or poor and so many games it felt that Iran was playing with 10 people. He was my one big frustration with CQ, but also we hardly have any good international level midfielders so it's not like there was an easy choice for support playmaker to replace the guy beyond Khalatbari who plays too far forward. Whereas when Daei was declining, Branko was giving him 90 minutes and pushing peak Hashemian on the wing or bench...

[Philosophy_King]

I never understood why Branko leapfrogged Masoud's career like that when we had all these other young players, including the 23 year-old (at the time) IPL player of the year (who wasn't even taken to the 06 world cup... , and was gradually phased out after he refused to help Branko get that D.Zagreb bung....) All this talent was wasted, where Queiroz fostered and helped the young players even at the expense of players who we thought at first shouldn't be dropped
Regarding Masoud, over the last 5-6 years of his international career he had 2 great games and the rest he either average or poor and so many games it felt that Iran was playing with 10 people. He was my one big frustration with CQ, but also we hardly have any good international level midfielders so it's not like there was an easy choice for support playmaker to replace the guy beyond Khalatbari who plays too far forward. Whereas when Daei was declining, Branko was giving him 90 minutes and pushing peak Hashemian on the wing or bench...

Masoud has a sweet character and is well spoken, i guess that this saved him a starting Line-Up under CQ, otherwise he would cancel him right after WC 2014 or even earlier.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Masoud has a sweet character and is well spoken, i guess that this saved him a starting Line-Up under CQ, otherwise he would cancel him right after WC 2014 or even earlier.

I think he was the key lieutenant for CQ in the dressing room so arguably that is an important role for an emotional "siege mentality" coach like Queiroz, obviously with Ansarifard and Hajsafi as the deputy lieutenants.

I know he has a great character, but I wish he could have been phased into a player-coach role for TM rather than constantly being on the pitch.

[Philosophy_King]

I think he was the key lieutenant for CQ in the dressing room so arguably that is an important role for an emotional "siege mentality" coach like Queiroz, obviously with Ansarifard and Hajsafi as the deputy lieutenants.

I know he has a great character, but I wish he could have been phased into a player-coach role for TM rather than constantly being on the pitch.

I totally agree!

[DR Strangemoosh]

I totally agree!

I bumped into Pooria Jafereh after the Iran-Portugal game and mentioned this to him but he disagreed strongly, effectively saying "trust in CQ, he knows why Masoud is so important"

This is probably the only time I would have empathised with Farbakhsh, hassonoo, Leicester City and tooleh khers

[oracle]

masoud shojaie
is another reason makes
cq INTO KING CQ for his tm day.
when he taked over tm likes of shojaie
was tm superstars. when king cq
departured we had over 20 players
in same level of shojaie level when
king cq came to tm.
in dark years of team melli
2007 to 2011 shojaie was good
on a mediocare team.

[Philosophy_King]

I bumped into Pooria Jafereh after the Iran-Portugal game and mentioned this to him but he disagreed strongly, effectively saying "trust in CQ, he knows why Masoud is so important"

This is probably the only time I would have empathised with Farbakhsh, hassonoo, Leicester City and tooleh khers

Unfortunely many Iranians have the Tendency to develop a cult of personality with CQ, don't know if this is psychological somehow related to our long History as a Monarchy (Medes, Achaemenids, Parthians, Sassanian and so on). Some people are willing to sacrifice all Legends of Iran Football to worship CQ.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Unfortunely many Iranians have the Tendency to develop a cult of personality with CQ, don't know if this is psychological somehow related to our long History as a Monarchy (Medes, Achaemenids, Parthians, Sassanian and so on). Some people are willing to sacrifice all Legends of Iran Football to worship CQ.

I kinda think he deserves it, for the happiness he has given iranians over a dark period. Anyone who travelled to Brazil and Russia remembers how great it was to be an Iran fan in both tournaments - how many pundits were giving us plaudits as being like a "well-drilled club side"... I just hadn't expected it - the most positive period of iranian football which i never expected after the period 6-7 years.

And when i see the players he brought through and gave chances over ones that we criticised him for dropping, I'm happy we had him. Some people think of him as "parking the bus" because of three world cup games, but they don't see the risks he took over 8 years. He truly revolutionalised our football and the dividends will continue for years to come.

[O-ZoNe]

I kinda think he deserves it, for the happiness he has given iranians over a dark period. Anyone who travelled to Brazil and Russia remembers how great it was to be an Iran fan in both tournaments - how many pundits were giving us plaudits as being like a "well-drilled club side"... I just hadn't expected it - the most positive period of iranian football which i never expected after the period 6-7 years.

And when i see the players he brought through and gave chances over ones that we criticised him for dropping, I'm happy we had him. Some people think of him as "parking the bus" because of three world cup games, but they don't see the risks he took over 8 years. He truly revolutionalised our football and the dividends will continue for years to come.

To be fair I think most fans enjoyed 98 and 2006 just as much. Being a fan at any WC is a tremendous experience! Also winning against USA in 98 prob ranks as the second most important match of our footballing modern history after Melbourne!

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[peiman92]

i have to agree that our opponents and asia in general is so weak right now.

qatar, japan iran and arguably saudi are a league above everyone else. SK and aus are in poor form. iraq is historically bad....outside of qatar and saudi, there's not a single arab team that can pose a threat to TM. this wasn't the case a few years back, where we could always expect trouble against a lebanon, bahrain, iraq, even kuwait back in the late 90s.

i'm concerned that we havent been tested yet. we NEED some difficult friendlies against good WC-bound teams. with wc2018, we had a solid defensive foundation but lacked offensive spark. now we have offensive spark in the form of a prime/on form taremi and azmoun, but lack that defensive discipline.

this team needs to experience being down in a game/adversity against a strong opponent.

Yeah asian football is a joke atm. With the exception of Iran, Japan and maybe Saudi.

Friendlies against teams like Croatia, Serbia, Switzerland, Denmark, Uruguay, Ecuador etc is more than enough to tell us where we stand. I want us to only play teams qualified for the WC. Teams not qualified for the WC probably won’t take the friendlies as seriously.

[koorosh]

[QUOTE=Philosophy_King;2793313]No he is absolutely not! Do you really want to compare Shojaei to Ali Daei, Nekounam, Mahdavikia, Hashemian, AK08, Azizi, Bagheri etc. ect.? These are ALL-TIME Greats of TM. I would rate Dejagah, Zandi, Ando, Taremi, Azmoun and many many other players above him.

YOU MISSED THE POINT COMPLETELY. Whether you agree or not with him being one of the greats, calling him "GOH" is very disrespectful. We should respect our players who have done so much for TM. This is a man who went and played against Israeli players and did not come home to cry hajSafi to be included in TM again. And

And BTW here is why you are wrong:

Shojaee played in the top league in the world for 5 years. Playing against Ronaldo and Messi,(arguably) the two best players in the history of the game, at the top of their game. Playing against Real Madrid and Barcelona packed with superstars and winning every cup under the sun. Yes La Liga is not top now but was top at the time Shojaie played there. Do you really think that they would have kept him there when so many other players in the world would given an arm to play in La Liga?

Zandi was a dedicated Iranian and we all love him for playing for us. However, as a football player he was not at the level of Shojaie..maybe ever.
Bagheri was a wonderful football player and one of the heros of 98 but was a complete failure in Europe.
Taremi and Azmoun are excellent and hopefully will shine some more. If they keep getting invited to TM and asked to play by the coach well past their prime, should we call them GOH too?

Is Shojaie GOH because Branko, Ghotbi, Daie, Ghalenoie, Queiroz and Wilmots not only invited him but asked him to play?

Do you think you know better than all these coaches?

[Philosophy_King]

[QUOTE=koorosh;2793456]

No he is absolutely not! Do you really want to compare Shojaei to Ali Daei, Nekounam, Mahdavikia, Hashemian, AK08, Azizi, Bagheri etc. ect.? These are ALL-TIME Greats of TM. I would rate Dejagah, Zandi, Ando, Taremi, Azmoun and many many other players above him.
YOU MISSED THE POINT COMPLETELY. Whether you agree or not with him being one of the greats, calling him "GOH" is very disrespectful. We should respect our players who have done so much for TM. This is a man who went and played against Israeli players and did not come home to cry hajSafi to be included in TM again. And
And BTW here is why you are wrong:
Shojaee played in the top league in the world for 5 years. Playing against Ronaldo and Messi,(arguably) the two best players in the history of the game, at the top of their game. Playing against Real Madrid and Barcelona packed with superstars and winning every cup under the sun. Yes La Liga is not top now but was top at the time Shojaie played there. Do you really think that they would have kept him there when so many other players in the world would given an arm to play in La Liga?
Zandi was a dedicated Iranian and we all love him for playing for us. However, as a football player he was not at the level of Shojaie..maybe ever.
Bagheri was a wonderful football player and one of the heros of 98 but was a complete failure in Europe.
Taremi and Azmoun are excellent and hopefully will shine some more. If they keep getting invited to TM and asked to play by the coach well past their prime, should we call them GOH too?
Is Shojaie GOH because Branko, Ghotbi, Daie, Ghalenoie, Queiroz and Wilmots not only invited him but asked him to play?
Do you think you know better than all these coaches?

So because of your lack of arguments you accuse me to label Shojaei as "goh" and try to cover it with this emotional/moralistic rant? Could you bring a proof for such harsh accusations. If not, go and read the PDFC-Rules my friend! If you read my comments you will in fact see my suggestion that he (Masoud) is well-spoken and has a sweet character, can't see the disrespect here.

Masoud played 5 years in La Liga for Osasuna which can be rated in the best case as a mediocre Club in LA Liga. I totally agree that Messi is the best in the world and that Barca & Real were Top Teams, still beside Valencia/Atletico/Bilbao/Sevilla all other Teams in LA Liga were weak compared Premiere League, Bundesliga or Seria A. That's why La-Liga was a two horse-race between Barca and Real most of the time. More importantly beside one great game against Atletico, Valencia and Real, Masoud was not consistent with his Performance in Osasuna. Many times he came off the bench, so he wasn't even a regular starter there, contrary to Nekounam. But more importantly, he wasn't consistent with his performance for TM at all and since we discuss TM-All-time-Greats, that is what matters the most!

By the way isn't it very hypocritical to label me as being disrespectful simply because i won't count Masoud to the All-Time-Greats, yet yourself telling me that Bagheri was a total failure in Europe is not disrespectful. Who does that work according to your logic? We can easily make a Poll and let people vote who did more for TM, Bagheri or Masoud if you want? I think it isn't even worth debating the obvious...

[oracle]

asian football is at all time
high right now.
asian soccer through out
years always been a 4 team
horse race
iran ksa japan s.k
NOW ITS 6 TEAM HORSE RACE
add australia and QATAR AS ELITE
teams too that list,asian football
all time high.
now u want compare to
other continents THEWAY
TO DO IT TAKE 6 BEST TEAM
FROM each cont and compare
it to best 6 of asia and thn we can have real
discussions.

[Keshwardoost]

Poll closes any minute, CQ slaughtered the rest.. T.K.O by anaconda choke

//and still, in every thread, "the rest" makes so much sound and repeats same old arguments that so many threads about other stuff are ruined..
atm, same old arguements are seen in several threads.. funny thing is people complain about azizi and karimi on yazdah show, while we have plenty of that and worse everyday at the forum.. same second egypt lost the final some launced, his tactics never win.. dude lost on penalties.. went to the finals.. instead of his tactics took him to finals he is crap wo cant win.. azizi and karimi has no chance just sit back and learn..
anyway, thats my view, probably wont change anything.. 2045 still the same arguments.

Nice to se CQ take a win (someone say its his first win if this was a tournament? :P ) jk