Leonardo Jardim

[Ardalan]

What’s your beef with strama? He had SS playing by far the best footy they have in recent years and also is great at creating strong atmospheres in the team. I remember you had thought he wouldn’t do well when SS appointed him and he came in and got great results especially for the situation they were in…..he would be a big step up from Skocic.

In raa raast migi. Yadam rafte bood ke amalkardesh dar Esteghlal khoob bood.

Yek nazmi o yek falsafeyi o zehniyate goroohi be team daad.

Dar Italia karnaamei badi daare, amma dar Iran dar zamane kotaahi ke bood khoob kaar kard.

[Nokhodi]

What’s your beef with strama? He had SS playing by far the best footy they have in recent years and also is great at creating strong atmospheres in the team. I remember you had thought he wouldn’t do well when SS appointed him and he came in and got great results especially for the situation they were in…..he would be a big step up from Skocic.

What great results ? He started fussing over money and abandoned the team in November and officially left on December. Once he left they got up to 3rd and 2nd.

My issues with him (especially for TM) is that he’s overrated, expensive, sensitive and didn’t perform better than Iranian coaches.

[Iran_19]

Yup, Stra is overrated. He is ok manager but nothing special. The proof is he couldn't find anything in Europe for quite sometime.

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[DR Strangemoosh]

Sorry Talebi was a disaster. He was clueless. To this day he says Iran deserved a PK against USA due to foul on Azizi by Keller in the box but I'm glad the ref didn't call it for political reasons...lol wtf kinda coach is that?

Talebi absorbed nothing. He was a yes man and had the luxury of massive talent in his side. If it wasn't for Abedzadeh heroics USA match was lost in first half. It was literally park the bus against Yugo and try not to get hammered by Germany...no tactics no plan...

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Disagree.

In the newspapers the predictions were for a complete mauling from all three teams. UK Sunday times predicted 4-0, 4-0, 3-0

Yugoslavia's team in 1998 was a lot better than either Mexico or Portugal in 2006 and was just full of world class players at their peak, whether Real Madrid's star or one of the best in AC Milan's history. They never will have such a good team again.

Iran had a surprising number of chances during the game.

Ivic had built something in a short space of time and all Talebi had to do was not wreck it within the WC. And it was fine, Iran came home doing much better than anyone expected.


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[O-ZoNe]

Disagree.

In the newspapers the predictions were for a complete mauling from all three teams. UK Sunday times predicted 4-0, 4-0, 3-0

Yugoslavia's team in 1998 was a lot better than either Mexico or Portugal in 2006 and was just full of world class players at their peak, whether Real Madrid's star or one of the best in AC Milan's history. They never will have such a good team again.

Iran had a surprising number of chances during the game.

Ivic had built something in a short space of time and all Talebi had to do was not wreck it within the WC. And it was fine, Iran came home doing much better than anyone expected.


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Right so Ivic, Viera, then Talebi. So Talebi couldn't improve on his predecessors...we expect someone to come and improve on Skocic...imagine if we had Ivic or Veira as coach in 98...who knows.

See Halilhodzics comments when he was fired by Japan with short time before the WC...ominous warnings.

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[DR Strangemoosh]

Right so Ivic, Viera, then Talebi.

Ivic was between Vieira and Talebi. He took over with only 6 months before WC and the things he pushed our federation to do resulted in a world cup which was so much better than I or anyone expected.

That's the only point I keep trying (and clearly failing...) to make here- it's not too late for an experienced and charismatic coach with ambitions, who can battle a bit with the governing bodies, to take this team and do something so that the WC is better than we are currently expecting. I can't compare Japan and Iran situation because the countries have such opposite infrastructures.

[O-ZoNe]

Ivic was between Vieira and Talebi. He took over with only 6 months before WC and the things he pushed our federation to do resulted in a world cup which was so much better than I or anyone expected.

That's the only point I keep trying (and clearly failing...) to make here- it's not too late for an experienced and charismatic coach with ambitions, who can battle a bit with the governing bodies, to take this team and do something so that the WC is better than we are currently expecting. I can't compare Japan and Iran situation because the countries have such opposite infrastructures.

But 98 could have gone so different. Imagine the team had stability with Ivic in the WC. Talebi did zero. In the Yugo match I believe he only made 1 sub. Who in their right mind is gonna come in and put effort in Skocic has thus far.

It's like we all predicted...if Sko used this match to experiment with a lineup he was dammed if he lost. If he won we would all say meaningless game. Poor guy is stuck between a rock and a hard place for just 1 match!

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[DR Strangemoosh]

But 98 could have gone so different. Imagine the team had stability with Ivic in the WC. Talebi did zero. In the Yugo match I believe he only made 1 sub. Who in their right mind is gonna come in and put effort in Skocic has thus far.

This is where you and I respectfully differ - I always feel you aren't realistic about Iran's situation, so that's the core of why you don't appreciate what CQ did over 8 years.

Sure - 98 could have gone so different for 1 game, or 2 games, but 3 games? Getting a 2-0 loss against Germany, 1-0 loss against Yugoslavia of Mijatovic/Savicevic/Stojkovic etc... due to Nakisa sooti on free-kick and beating USA 2-1. Now I appreciate the work was from Ivic, not Talebi, but that was a damn decent world cup given the expectations on Iran.

And not saying that Talebi was a good coach, but making 1 sub is not really much of an argument either because I've seen so many "good" coaches make 1 sub late against when playing against much stronger team.

I feel that you need to witness a Saudi-style 8-0 destruction to see how Iran could potentially be humiliated and then things might go into perspective a bit more. That's what I'm worried about at the moment....

It's like we all predicted...if Sko used this match to experiment with a lineup he was dammed if he lost. If he won we would all say meaningless game. Poor guy is stuck between a rock and a hard place for just 1 match!

Again (feeling like I'm repeating myself here)... it's not about the 1 match! It's about the lack of development/regression over 16 matches. Iran's way of playing and shape looks like 2009 again when we were finally after four decades playing good professional disciplined football with versatile tactics depending on the opposition.... The guy hasn't developed any new players - literally every coach has done that - even Wiltits gave good first experience to Mohebi. The team has gone backwards.


I think we fundamentally disagree on too much here....

[O-ZoNe]

This is where you and I respectfully differ - I always feel you aren't realistic about Iran's situation, so that's the core of why you don't appreciate what CQ did over 8 years.

98 could have gone so different for 1 game, or 2 games, but 3 games? Getting a 2-0 loss against Germany, 1-0 loss due to Nakisa sooti on free-kick and beating USA 2-1. Now I appreciate the work was from Ivic, not Talebi, but that was a damn decent world cup given the expectations on Iran.

Not saying that Talebi was a good coach, but making 1 sub is not really much of an argument either because I've seen so many "good" coaches make 1 sub late against when playing against much stronger team.

I feel that you need to witness a Saudi-style 8-0 destruction to see how Iran could potentially be humiliated and then things will go into perspective a bit more. That's what I'm worried about at the moment....




Again (feeling like I'm repeating myself here)... it's not about the 1 match! It's about the lack of development/regression over 16 matches. Iran's way of playing and shape looks like 2009 again when we were finally after four decades playing good professional disciplined football with versatile tactics depending on the opposition.... The guy hasn't developed any new players - literally every coach has done that - even Wiltits gave good experience to Mohebi. Iran has just gone backwards..




I think we fundamentally disagree on too much here....

In order to develop players you have to take risks...including risking a loss. Skocic tried his B team to see how it stacked...folks want him to develop and experiment but not lose. That is unrealistic. Give the guy a chance.

Under Skocic our possession game improved. Passing is more complete and we are no longer a 1 dimensional attacking team. Abedzadeh took over in goal and all this during COVID with no meaningful camps or friendlies. Odds were against him from start...and he's earned his keep.

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[PSGman#19]

This is where you and I respectfully differ - I always feel you aren't realistic about Iran's situation, so that's the core of why you don't appreciate what CQ did over 8 years.
98 could have gone so different for 1 game, or 2 games, but 3 games? Getting a 2-0 loss against Germany, 1-0 loss due to Nakisa sooti on free-kick and beating USA 2-1. Now I appreciate the work was from Ivic, not Talebi, but that was a damn decent world cup given the expectations on Iran.
Not saying that Talebi was a good coach, but making 1 sub is not really much of an argument either because I've seen so many "good" coaches make 1 sub late against when playing against much stronger team.
I feel that you need to witness a Saudi-style 8-0 destruction to see how Iran could potentially be humiliated and then things will go into perspective a bit more. That's what I'm worried about at the moment....
Again (feeling like I'm repeating myself here)... it's not about the 1 match! It's about the lack of development/regression over 16 matches. Iran's way of playing and shape looks like 2009 again when we were finally after four decades playing good professional disciplined football with versatile tactics depending on the opposition.... The guy hasn't developed any new players - literally every coach has done that - even Wiltits gave good experience to Mohebi. Iran has just gone backwards..
I think we fundamentally disagree on too much here....

Wilmots gave playing time at mohebi but at which cost?
Skocic could do anything, it will never be enough. People want results + beautiful play + considering our experienced and legionnaires + developping new players (something iran as whole don't do quite often and even cq bring young players slowly in his 8 years), etc.. If he managed to beat SK, we all know we would have read it was a weak SK, a meaningless game etc..
And please instead of creating fake rumors like the sardar/skocic dispute or other ks, please ask for the Egyptian passport.
Btw, brazil lost 7/1,spain 5/1 at world cup, Germany (or spain) also lost 6/0 recently, it can happen to every teams
Half of the forum is near suicide after the sk loss, predicting a dark future (what did they predict after we draw Syria at azadi in 2017 or after the 7/1 loss in 98?).

[DR Strangemoosh]

Wilmots gave playing time at mohebi but at which cost?
Skocic could do anything, it will never be enough. People want results + beautiful play + considering our experienced and legionnaires + developping new players (something iran as whole don't do quite often and even cq bring young players slowly in his 8 years), etc.. If he managed to beat SK, we all know we would have read it was a weak SK, a meaningless game etc..
And please instead of creating fake rumors like the sardar/skocic dispute or other ks, please ask for the Egyptian passport.
Btw, brazil lost 7/1,spain 5/1 at world cup, Germany (or spain) also lost 6/0 recently, it can happen to every teams
Half of the forum is near suicide after the sk loss, predicting a dark future (what did they predict after we draw Syria at azadi in 2017 or after the 7/1 loss in 98?).

There are so many assumptions in this post I don't know where to start...

"People want results + beautiful play" - Nope. Speaking for myself the tactical discipline we played in 2018 (apart from first 20 mins against Morocco) was the most exciting thing I'd seen from TM for a long time. I just want to see the team move up and down together and be in sync with each other. That doesn't look to certain eyes as beautiful play, it's pragmatic and well-drilled play.

"And please instead of creating fake rumors like the sardar/skocic dispute" - Where have I created fake rumours about sardar and skocic? Een az koodoom soorakh dar omad akheh...


khasteh shodam....

[PSGman#19]

There are so many assumptions in this post I don't know where to start...
"People want results + beautiful play" - Nope
"And please instead of creating fake rumors like the sardar/skocic dispute" - Where have I created fake rumours about sardar and skocic?
khasteh shodam....

No directed on you for the 2nd point, but how many post and tweet I saw about it yesterday?

But come on, if we win most of our game 1/0, you know people will complain about how we play bad etc..
If we play like the big Ajax but have sub-par results, people will also complain

Edit : I saw you edited your post and I am happy you enjoyed Morocco/Iran. But how many "Morocco played better, we were lucky with an own goal" coming from iranians?

[Farzadfarhangni]

People, please remember that the next eight months until the WC is completely different the 6 months that Ivic had before 1998 WC and CQ had before 2014 and 2018. Most likely we’ll have two weeks in June and the week before WC to fit in all our camps and Friendlies. It is the same for all teams, but would mean suicide for teams that want to change their coach. This World Cup, unlike all others, you can’t take the players for a two week conditioning camp, then give them a few days rest and start another two week camp where you work on tactics, have friendlies, etc…. You get your players a week before WC and you have to do everything in that one week.

This may actually be to our benefic because all team will be equally ill prepare as IFF’s team.

[O-ZoNe]

People, please remember that the next eight months until the WC is completely different the 6 months that Ivic had before 1998 WC and CQ had before 2014 and 2018. Most likely we’ll have two weeks in June and the week before WC to fit in all our camps and Friendlies. It is the same for all teams, but would mean suicide for teams that want to change their coach. This World Cup, unlike all others, you can’t take the players for a two week conditioning camp, then give them a few days rest and start another two week camp where you work on tactics, have friendlies, etc…. You get your players a week before WC and you have to do everything in that one week.

This may actually be to our benefic because all team will be equally ill prepare as IFF’s team.

People forget this. They all believe we have 8 months complete at our disposal. This is a huge factor. Leagues will go to the wire...training camps will be short. Just look at all the qualifiers being crammed in right now...when did we last have WC groups decided with some teams still unknown?!

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[peiman92]

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