Dragan Skočić In or Dragan Skočić Out?

[AGC]

Funny thing is:

If we advance: I wont give Skocic as much credit as some people may believe since ive been a supporter since day one.

I think the biggest factor if we will move to round of 16 will be sheer statistics. We've been to many consecutive WCs. We have an experienced squad (which US dont). I've never seen a consistently qualifying team not moving to r16 at some time.

Also these tournaments are extremely unpredictable: Japan had shit luck that colombia got a red card. Otherwise they wouldnt advance. But to everyones surprise they really gave Belgium a good run. This is WC in a nutshell.

I think it is Irans turn this time.

Skocic has been so good so far. We have to wait to see if he is this disaster so many members are so sure of. CQ after so few games wouldnt do better in korea with so few key players.

Our federation, the least they can do is show loyalty to a guy that took a crisis ridden team and made them a winning unit. There are NO rational factors as of why he should quit at this stage.

[AGC]

Let me rephrase this: would you guys like to be judged and fired for one bad day at work? its unclassy to hope for these things when it comes to other people.

[Omids]

Let me rephrase this: would you guys like to be judged and fired for one bad day at work? its unclassy to hope for these things when it comes to other people.

Its not about just a one bad day at work in this case. If i see a staff is dismantling the existing structure and not showing any signs that they are looking to address the core issues. Although they are ok and going through the motions right now but clearly will be wanting in delivering a massive project in 6 months time, for which they are not equipped to manage & deliver, then yes i will change them. if i dont make the change then i am a culpable and responsible of the failure as well.

[AGC]

Its not about just a one bad day at work in this case. If i see a staff is dismantling the existing structure and not showing any signs that they are looking to address the core issues. Although they are ok and going through the motions right now but clearly will be wanting in delivering a massive project in 6 months time, for which they are not equipped to manage & deliver, then yes i will change them. if i dont make the change then i am a culpable and responsible of the failure as well.

Yes, based on those premises. Fans see alot of things. Then there is this difference between havadar and karshenas. Are you a football karshenas. Cause thats what you are saying in your post.

Now Im not saying that you are wrong, neither am I saying that you are right. All I'm saying is that these kind of issues (evaluation) tend to sort themselves out in due time.

You may respond that time is something we dont have. At least if you did I wouldnt object. Thing is sometimes life just sucks as much as IFF. "You cant get what you want" Is IFF vision.

[AGC]

The reason Saudi Arabia was on a decline, as there were no rational explanations for this given all the investments, their clubs generally doing well etc. The reason imho was that they changed coached more often than normal people replace toothbrushes.

I truly believe this is a core issue going forward. We were blessed to have CQ for eight years! Surely he deserved to coach us for eight years, not saying otherwise. Sometimes things in life are about momentum and consistency.

[Omids]

Yes, based on those premises. Fans see alot of things. Then there is this difference between havadar and karshenas. Are you a football karshenas. Cause thats what you are saying in your post.

Now Im not saying that you are wrong, neither am I saying that you are right. All I'm saying is that these kind of issues (evaluation) tend to sort themselves out in due time.

You may respond that time is something we dont have. At least if you did I wouldnt object. Thing is sometimes life just sucks as much as IFF. "You cant get what you want" Is IFF vision.

I do acknowledge that we are between a rock and a hard place here. And am aware that football politics within IFF will not allow the best options to be picked, including another possible coach. Maybe at best we should look to augment Skocic with some very good technical resources, both in analysis and fitness. That is my hope right now. But i am not holding my breath.

[a_m]

So according to your argument, we should get blown out by England and it will have nothing to do with our coach and everything to do with our lack of quality player. I don't want to see you blaming the coach for that!!!!!

We are not a super power we need long camps and lots of friendly games to bridge the gap between the quality the European teams play at ..

This is Croatia 🇭🇷 national team :

0 Croatia Dinamo Zagreb
12 GK Ivo Grbić 18 January 1996 (age 26) 2 0 France Lille
23 GK Ivica Ivušić 1 February 1995 (age 27) 3 0 Croatia Osijek
2 DF Mile Škorić 19 June 1991 (age 30) 7 0 Croatia Osijek
3 DF Borna Barišić 10 November 1992 (age 29) 24 1 Scotland Rangers
5 DF Duje Ćaleta-Car 17 September 1996 (age 25) 22 1 France Marseille
6 DF Marin Pongračić 11 September 1997 (age 24) 4 0 Germany Borussia Dortmund
19 DF Borna Sosa 21 January 1998 (age 24) 5 0 Germany VfB Stuttgart
20 DF Joško Gvardiol 23 January 2002 (age 20) 10 1 Germany RB Leipzig
21 DF Domagoj Vida (vice-captain) 29 April 1989 (age 32) 97 4 Turkey Beşiktaş
22 DF Josip Juranović 16 August 1995 (age 26) 16 0 Scotland Celtic
DF Dejan Lovren 5 July 1989 (age 32) 70 4 Russia Zenit Saint Petersburg
7 MF Nikola Moro 12 March 1998 (age 24) 1 0 Russia Dynamo Moscow
8 MF Mateo Kovačić 6 May 1994 (age 27) 77 3 England Chelsea
10 MF Luka Modrić (captain) 9 September 1985 (age 36) 148 21 Spain Real Madrid
11 MF Lovro Majer 17 January 1998 (age 24) 5 2 France Rennes
13 MF Nikola Vlašić 4 October 1997 (age 24) 35 7 England West Ham United
15 MF Mario Pašalić 9 February 1995 (age 27) 36 6 Italy Atalanta
16 MF Kristijan Jakić 14 May 1997 (age 24) 3 0 Germany Eintracht Frankfurt
4 FW Ivan Perišić 2 February 1989 (age 33) 113 32 Italy Internazionale
9 FW Andrej Kramarić 19 June 1991 (age 30) 67 18 Germany 1899 Hoffenheim
14 FW Marko Livaja 26 August 1993 (age 28) 13 2 Croatia Hajduk Split
17 FW Ante Budimir 22 July 1991 (age 30) 10 1 Spain Osasuna
18 FW Mislav Oršić 29 December 1992 (age 29) 16 1 Croatia Dinamo Zagreb

You think their coach Dalic is responsible for their quality no he just set the tactics , all these players are all ready , psychically, mental , professional cause they play at a very high level….


You think a player that plays in IPL is ready to hand the pressure and stress , that they whole point , we need a coach that will get these players ready , that what CQ was doing all those years he was building a foundation

[a_m]

Funny thing is:

If we advance: I wont give Skocic as much credit as some people may believe since ive been a supporter since day one.

I think the biggest factor if we will move to round of 16 will be sheer statistics. We've been to many consecutive WCs. We have an experienced squad (which US dont). I've never seen a consistently qualifying team not moving to r16 at some time.

Also these tournaments are extremely unpredictable: Japan had shit luck that colombia got a red card. Otherwise they wouldnt advance. But to everyones surprise they really gave Belgium a good run. This is WC in a nutshell.

I think it is Irans turn this time.

Skocic has been so good so far. We have to wait to see if he is this disaster so many members are so sure of. CQ after so few games wouldnt do better in korea with so few key players.

Our federation, the least they can do is show loyalty to a guy that took a crisis ridden team and made them a winning unit. There are NO rational factors as of why he should quit at this stage.

We won’t advance with skocic

[a_m]

Let me rephrase this: would you guys like to be judged and fired for one bad day at work? its unclassy to hope for these things when it comes to other people.

This is a professional sport not your desk job at Verizon mobile …

You just can equate or compare and contrast , at all most job have a hiring process , you should know that ,

Are you qualified ? Yes
How many candidates?
Who is the most qualified?

You know how skocic got this job ? He was living to work for 50k a year, with no guarantee or Bonus at all ??

Why would he do such a thing ? Cause he know this team would qualify for the World Cup with or without him ? Why not just stick around take all the credit and increase his market value now !!

So he can get a jog in UAE 🇦🇪, Qatar 🇶🇦 or some other Arabic team make a good 6 figures now …

[Farzadfarhangni]

We are not a super power we need long camps and lots of friendly games to bridge the gap between the quality the European teams play at ..

This is Croatia 🇭🇷 national team :

0 Croatia Dinamo Zagreb
12 GK Ivo Grbić 18 January 1996 (age 26) 2 0 France Lille
23 GK Ivica Ivušić 1 February 1995 (age 27) 3 0 Croatia Osijek
2 DF Mile Škorić 19 June 1991 (age 30) 7 0 Croatia Osijek
3 DF Borna Barišić 10 November 1992 (age 29) 24 1 Scotland Rangers
5 DF Duje Ćaleta-Car 17 September 1996 (age 25) 22 1 France Marseille
6 DF Marin Pongračić 11 September 1997 (age 24) 4 0 Germany Borussia Dortmund
19 DF Borna Sosa 21 January 1998 (age 24) 5 0 Germany VfB Stuttgart
20 DF Joško Gvardiol 23 January 2002 (age 20) 10 1 Germany RB Leipzig
21 DF Domagoj Vida (vice-captain) 29 April 1989 (age 32) 97 4 Turkey Beşiktaş
22 DF Josip Juranović 16 August 1995 (age 26) 16 0 Scotland Celtic
DF Dejan Lovren 5 July 1989 (age 32) 70 4 Russia Zenit Saint Petersburg
7 MF Nikola Moro 12 March 1998 (age 24) 1 0 Russia Dynamo Moscow
8 MF Mateo Kovačić 6 May 1994 (age 27) 77 3 England Chelsea
10 MF Luka Modrić (captain) 9 September 1985 (age 36) 148 21 Spain Real Madrid
11 MF Lovro Majer 17 January 1998 (age 24) 5 2 France Rennes
13 MF Nikola Vlašić 4 October 1997 (age 24) 35 7 England West Ham United
15 MF Mario Pašalić 9 February 1995 (age 27) 36 6 Italy Atalanta
16 MF Kristijan Jakić 14 May 1997 (age 24) 3 0 Germany Eintracht Frankfurt
4 FW Ivan Perišić 2 February 1989 (age 33) 113 32 Italy Internazionale
9 FW Andrej Kramarić 19 June 1991 (age 30) 67 18 Germany 1899 Hoffenheim
14 FW Marko Livaja 26 August 1993 (age 28) 13 2 Croatia Hajduk Split
17 FW Ante Budimir 22 July 1991 (age 30) 10 1 Spain Osasuna
18 FW Mislav Oršić 29 December 1992 (age 29) 16 1 Croatia Dinamo Zagreb

You think their coach Dalic is responsible for their quality no he just set the tactics , all these players are all ready , psychically, mental , professional cause they play at a very high level….


You think a player that plays in IPL is ready to hand the pressure and stress , that they whole point , we need a coach that will get these players ready , that what CQ was doing all those years he was building a foundation

Ok, let me see if I understand this right. Croatia has world class players with mental and physical strength and that they are ready to go and their coach just needs to set the tactics which is a fairly insignificant thing.

Iran is not a super power. That IPL players are lower level and don't have the mental, physical power and can't handle the stress.

And somehow, a coach of CQ can take these players and in two weeks in June, then a 3 month wait until 10 days in September and then two month wait and a week before WC, he can bridge the gap from lower IPL players to World class player.

If you expect Skocic to do that, I guarantee you that he won't be able too. If you think CQ can, then I think Manchester City should fire Guardiola and all their expensive players and just hire CQ and a bunch of IPL players and give them 30 days to prepare... easy.

[Omids]

Ok, let me see if I understand this right. Croatia has world class players with mental and physical strength and that they are ready to go and their coach just needs to set the tactics which is a fairly insignificant thing.

Iran is not a super power. That IPL players are lower level and don't have the mental, physical power and can't handle the stress.

And somehow, a coach of CQ can take these players and in two weeks in June, then a 3 month wait until 10 days in September and then two month wait and a week before WC, he can bridge the gap from lower IPL players to World class player.

If you expect Skocic to do that, I guarantee you that he won't be able too. If you think CQ can, then I think Manchester City should fire Guardiola and all their expensive players and just hire CQ and a bunch of IPL players and give them 30 days to prepare... easy.

I think a_m is trying to say that the importance of the coach in a team that has high level quality player is less than for a team that has average players. So for Iran we need an experienced and high caliber coach that can take average player and get them to deliver beyond their best, that is in technique, tactics and fitness. And he doesnt see that coach in Skocic but does sees it in CQ.

[a_m]

I think a_m is trying to say that the importance of the coach in a team that has high level quality player is less than for a team that has average players. So for Iran we need an experienced and high caliber coach that can take average player and get them to deliver beyond their best, that is in technique, tactics and fitness. And he doesnt see that coach in Skocic but does sees it in CQ.

Exactly!! Thank you Omids for explaining it so simply.

[Farzadfarhangni]

I think a_m is trying to say that the importance of the coach in a team that has high level quality player is less than for a team that has average players. So for Iran we need an experienced and high caliber coach that can take average player and get them to deliver beyond their best, that is in technique, tactics and fitness. And he doesnt see that coach in Skocic but does sees it in CQ.

Thanks for clarifying and I can see why some would think that. I personally think that a coach's job is to get the most out of the individual parts. This applies just the same if world class players or more average players. 11 world class players with an average coach will get killed against 11 world class players with a great coach. And 11 average players with a great coach would destroy 11 average players with an average coach. A great coach is vital and necessary no matter what.

Perhaps, a_m brought this up to show that we need a good coach. Skocic is not a good coach. Lets get CQ. And the debate goes on.

But instead of debating, we need to realize that CQ is not willing to come. IFF is not willing to hire him. And we are hurting TM by dragging and debating this every day... It is too late. Lets unite and not tear each other apart.

[Leicester City]

The poll has closed and the results are in!

The overwhelming majority voted "Skocic out" at 55%, while the underwhelming minority voted "Skocic in" at just only 45%.

Things are not looking good for the Croatian.

[AGC]

Since when is 55 percentage points overwhelming majority. lol