World Cup 2022 Qualifier: Iran - Lebanon (Info, Updates & Live Reports)

[Doctor DOOM]

I just heard Ansarifard's eye has been injured for this utterly moronic kooni-bazi smearing the cake shit that we're trying to ape the western ass holes!!!
seriously WTF is wrong with us that we tend to ape the west, and mostly the most fucked up, moronic shit than the more productive matters like professionalism and demeanor???
f**king ass holes

excuse my language. But its really infuriating to see Iranians try to be more western than westerners .... ONLY in all the shit, nonsensical, useless, garbage behaviors. NEVER the right stuff that matters or elevates oneself!!

[The Realist]

15 minutes gone, too early in the game but Korea a shadow of a team that beat us. They were driven and so desperate to beat Iran.

[St_Mark]

I think we can just look at his level a few months ago, scoring great late goals Vs Juve, was a thorn up chelsea's ass all game until his very late injury running in behind.

It is definitely a level he has, performances show it. Just clearly not there at the moment

Years ago , we talked about this, He run out of breath after 40 min of games . He did a surgery few years back to improve ( i posted this issue years ago).

[PSGman#19]

Me too, that was under Ghotbi.

Even with CQ and wilmots

[O-ZoNe]

Me too, that was under Ghotbi.

Wilmots scarred us so badly we forgot he was first choice after CQ...lol

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[inarsenewetrust]

Years ago , we talked about this, He run out of breath after 40 min of games . He did a surgery few years back to improve ( i posted this issue years ago).

I dont disagree it was issue in the past but he got over it to large extent. There can be no denying that. Anyways, he is in the best place from physical fitness standpoint (leverkusen) to address it.

The fitness of the domestic guys and legionairres that dont play on the other hand, is of serious concern and something that skocic can take a proactive approach to solving.

Having a mehdipour or nourollahi who is the fittest guy on the pitch takes him from sort of above avg pgpl midfielder with not much hope for imposing himself on top international midfield, to suddenly being a big factor on the world stage. Look what CQ did with Amiri, Ebrahimi.

[ABalls]

What we saw today was TM. Lack of fitness (esp from IPL/Arab league players) and super mediocre in the midfield.

That said, the game plan wasn't bad and Skocic tried out some new things - some worked, some didn't.

Omid needs to improve at LB (esp his fitness) but is our best there. Mohrammi's crosses are terrible, but he's at least average for an international RB. Eza and Azmoun also have poor fitness. Kaanani has really developed as a player -- defending and passing. Hosseini looks good again at CB. Young guys (Allahyar, Hosseinizadeh) continue to get needed minutes. Some very average IPL guys need to be looked at for replacement (Sarlak, Nouri, Mehdipour etc). Gholi played a unique role today in the mid, and altho ARJ scored as a forward, I prefer when he plays as a distributor. Also, why is Estilli everywhere? Have a seat dude.

[St_Mark]

I dont disagree it was issue in the past but he got over it to large extent. There can be no denying that. Anyways, he is in the best place from physical fitness standpoint (leverkusen) to address it.

The fitness of the domestic guys and legionairres that dont play on the other hand, is of serious concern and something that skocic can take a proactive approach to solving.

Having a mehdipour or nourollahi who is the fittest guy on the pitch takes him from sort of above avg pgpl midfielder with not much hope for imposing himself on top international midfield, to suddenly being a big factor on the world stage. Look what CQ did with Amiri, Ebrahimi.

dear
My point was not about criticism of player , but about understanding of what to expect and maximize performance.

[O-ZoNe]

To keep an objective viewpoint, I do not deny skocic faces some issues that really arent his fault. The problem I have with him is, he literally just sits and accepts those problems and doesnt seek to PROACTIVELY address them. It shows on the field of play. I just hate he leaves so many things to chance and hoping everybody finds form and fitness at same time, it will not magically happen. He actually needs to do some extra work to facilitate it. What else does he have an entire backroom staff for...Issues of fitness of both domestic and legionairre players was something that existed in the past and it can certainly be dealt with. CQ experienced same issues and produced one of the fittest teams at WC, even opposition coaches at WC remarked at the physical level we displayed against them.

Coaching a NT like Iran, with a total absence of proper planning, standard procedures, functioning league, etc requires a lot more than a coach who puts together a few training sessions during FIFA weeks.

It requires you to literally plan, think, negotiate, and force incompetent people do whatever you think will give the team the best chance of succeeding. You have to set up extra sessions, create a long and detailed preparation plan outlining how we are going to address every single weakpoint to the best of our ability. Most of all you have to be willing to truly give a damn and fight.

Or else we will be left with participation trophy in 8 months time.

Unless you are in the meetings and in the training sessions these are speculation. Skocic got the job done. Maybe he is finalizing things and has plans. We won't know unfortunately till we know. We can guess and make claims all day. What if after the draw we get a banger of a tournament arranged. Will we all say wow kudos to TM staff or just say it was luck? I think we need to be objective. With so little fifa days, looking at how many clubs were determined to hold back our players, and realities of covid I think all in all its hard to blame Skocic. Even CQ complained about scheduling for his Egypt.

It's an odd year...WC is in winter...we have to hope for the best here and reality is to some degree plan for the worst. Let's see if after the draw things shape up. If not then our demands are more realistic.

Who knows but at this rate maybe we can call Orlando Pirates or Kaiser Chiefs for friendlies if sh't hits the fan...

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[inarsenewetrust]

[St_Mark]

one positive note:

There were no unusual, brilliant ideas of total football

I was afraid Noorafkan will be used as GK today.

[inarsenewetrust]

Unless you are in the meetings and in the training sessions these are speculation. Skocic got the job done. Maybe he is finalizing things and has plans. We won't know unfortunately till we know. We can guess and make claims all day. What if after the draw we get a banger of a tournament arranged. Will we all say wow kudos to TM staff or just say it was luck? I think we need to be objective. With so little fifa days, looking at how many clubs were determined to hold back our players, and realities of covid I think all in all its hard to blame Skocic. Eben CQ complained about scheduling for his Egypt.
It's an odd year...WC is in winter...we have to hope for the best here and reality is to some degree plan for the worst. Let's see if after the draw things shape up. If not then our demands are more realistic.
Who knows but at this rate maybe we can call Orlando Pirates or Kaiser Chiefs for friendlies if sh't hits the fan...
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Please to not absolve him of all responsiblity... Here we are not even discussing tactics where I recognize their can be some disagreement.

We would know about PEC recovery session bc they would be reported, as they were in the past, even complete with photo sessions. We would know it because the domestic guys would look fitter on the pitch, as would the guys who spend extra time on the bench for their clubs around the world.

IFF has done it for announcing that PAG is using PEC as his recovery base as he builds back up to full fitness, so its certainly possible to do. Issue is, to institute it for all TM guys will take the coach forcing the slubs to do something they may not like to do, even though in the end it could easily be sold as improving the guys fitness which will benefit club and country. CQ was meticulous about these things esp after 2014 when we ran out of gas vs bosnia. I know you think the guy was a fraud but he really did institute some wide sweeping, and effective change on issues such as player fitness and trying to impact it as much as he could. 4 years later we didnt run out of gas in last game, actually the opposite. He even said publicly so many times these guys fitness will lead us to getting cooked at the WC, please give me them for one day a week in year leading up to WC at PEC.

It would be a shame to go backwards on this front that does not require a lot cash, extra fifa days (players can run and communicate with fitness coaches from anywhere, and domestic players as mentioned can find time in the week to frequent PEC), etc.

[Philosophy_King]

I just heard Ansarifard's eye has been injured for this utterly moronic kooni-bazi smearing the cake shit that we're trying to ape the western ass holes!!!
seriously WTF is wrong with us that we tend to ape the west, and mostly the most fucked up, moronic shit than the more productive matters like professionalism and demeanor???
f**king ass holes

excuse my language. But its really infuriating to see Iranians try to be more western than westerners .... ONLY in all the shit, nonsensical, useless, garbage behaviors. NEVER the right stuff that matters or elevates oneself!!

100% Agree! Thanks.

[O-ZoNe]

Please to not absolve him of all responsiblity...

Well we would know about PEC recovery session bc they would be reported, as they were in the past, even complete with photo sessions. We would know it because the domestic guys would look fitter on the pitch, as would the guys who spend extra time on the bench for their clubs around the world.

IFF has done it for announcing that PAG is using PEC as his recovery base as he builds back up to full fitness, so its certainly possible to do. Issue is, to institute it for all TM guys will take the coach forcing the slubs to do something they may not like to do, even though in the end it could easily be sold as improving the guys fitness which will benefit club and country. CQ was meticulous about these things esp after 2014 when we ran out of gas vs bosnia. I know you think the guy was a fraud but he really did institute some wide sweeping, and effective change on issues such as player fitness and trying to impact it as much as he could. 4 years later we didnt run out of gas in last game, actually the opposite.

It would be a shame to go backwards on this front that does not require a lot cash, extra fifa days (players can run and communicate with fitness coaches from anywhere, and domestic players as mentioned can find time in the week to frequent PEC), etc.

I don't think CQ is a fraud. I just didn't see enough from 14 to 18 to warrant keeping him. I think his team and game plan was badly exposed in AC...I do thinkbhe made huge contributions to our game and players...but 8 years ran its course. I give him credit for the defensive improvements but didn't appreciate the lack of offensive mentality and some of the hashiyeh he got involved in.

CQ did some good and some not so. Same will be true of Skocic. It's reality of all coaches. Even if Skocic takes us to next round of WC some will call for his head and say it was luck. That's just a reality. No coach can satisfy all.

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[Nokhodi]

one thing CQ did to monitor fitness of domestic players at least in 2018 (when we had quite a few domestic guys in the squad) was regularly have recovery/fitness sessions at PEC.
Not sure what exactly went on there but he insisted on it and even had fights with the PGPL clubs about it at some stage. In the end everybody agreed that for these players to get the best recovery, fitness preparation this was a must.
Not sure what happened to that plan. I agree on one point, that with respect to legionairres that do not play much Skocic's hands are a bit tied. They will always take extra mins to find their feet in tM games. Having said that, it is not that hard to set up and individual fitness plan for these guys to sustain while sitting on bench for their clubs. The physical trainers of TM can easily cooperate with the people in charge of this stuff at the guys respective clubs. Unfortunately, once again, seems like Skocic completeley dropped the ball on pursuing such arrangements.

Harfe hesab.

Agree, CQ's plan was great. He ran TM like a club.
However, let's be honest, 99% of head coaches won't' do that. Most don't believe its their responsibility.

I am waiting to hear what TM's preparatory plans are. Draw is Friday. If we don't' have a couple of decent friendlies lined up and some camps for domestic players, I will be very disappointed and at that point would be ok bringing in a new coach - contingent on the new coach understanding the limitations and incompetence of our federation.