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    lousy Iranian defenders and the constant headache. What is the solution

    We usuallly and historically have okay to good goalkeepers (except mirza-koor)

    We are world class regarding strikers

    Midfield is uneven but totally acceptable. Worst positions are central midfield imho

    And now to the elephant in the room: Our defenders are, has been and seemingly will always be utter SHITE.

    It's like a curse and makes our team a house of cards. If we would have a more balanced squad we would be a far better team.

    Now, I'm looking for solutions to this. How can we solve the problem with having these shite defenders?

    IMHO the only reasonable mid-term solution is to send an army of defenders to countries that have good defences. Let's say Italy.
    Our strikers go to portugal nowadays, we have guys in netherlands and belgium when it comes to midfielders. what about just sending them all to italy? With sending Im talking about our lousy federation incentivizing youth players to establish there from young age (like Azmoun)

    Im so tired of this gol kochik shite mentality our players have.

    #2
    Sineh-zani

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      #3
      I think you answered you own question here -

      Skocic IN! He is the one to seed the future /s


      Originally posted by AGC View Post
      Skocic in!

      Pros: This namaknashnasi has to stop. He saved our asses, made us no 1 in asia and qualified on top of the group. Also he was undefeated against arab teams that has caused us tons of problems.

      Cons: He did not manage to beat SK. But these results are also ambigious. First of all we should have won at home. At the return leg we missed important key players and had already qualified. These things matter. Not to mention that we should know ourselves: we are not as good as we pretend to be. We are not West-Euro level with the rights to expect to win against teams that more or less are as good as us. The margins are too small to have these expectations. No other top asian team are at euro level and when they battle out, the outcome often vary 50-50.

      My conclusion: Keep Skocic for WC and lets see what happens. It's not like there are any other alternatives out there.

      On a non-sarcastic note, a good coach can make world-class defending performances out of whatever stock. See pooladi 2014, see the risk with Majid Hosseini in 2018...

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        #4
        Originally posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
        I think you answered you own question here -

        Skocic IN! He is the one to seed the future /s





        On a non-sarcastic note, a good coach can make world-class defending performances out of whatever stock. See pooladi 2014, see the risk with Majid Hosseini in 2018...
        Yep if we park the bus all of our defenders will look like the offspring of a marriage between cannavaro and maldini!

        On a more serious note: A good coach is neither the problem or the solution imho of always being able to field 4 decent defenders that perform on an acceptable level.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Leicester City View Post
          Sineh-zani
          Good one. But wouldn't stopping sine zani at ashura be the solution then?

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            #6
            And please leave skocic vs cq debate out of this. are you guys obsessed?

            yes: if we would get CQ tomorrow i would have like him as a coach. do I need to pledge CQ allegiance too?

            now back to the topic

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              #7
              For the defensive position you need to have composure, discipline and professionalism. None of this we have in our football. Only way we can cure the defensive problem is to bring someone like CQ with shallagh in his hand.

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                #8
                the only person who disciplined our back line with major success was CQ

                and this is because he is a world class and renowned defensive shape EXPERT

                I don't think any other coach can replicate his success with our defense

                Just like life guys, things come and go. Enjoy and appreciate them while they're there then you have to accept it and move on

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Hosseini View Post
                  the only person who disciplined our back line with major success was CQ

                  and this is because he is a world class and renowned defensive shape EXPERT

                  I don't think any other coach can replicate his success with our defense

                  Just like life guys, things come and go. Enjoy and appreciate them while they're there then you have to accept it and move on
                  I don't think it's too early to say yadesh bekheir

                  If I were head of IFF I would have given him free reigns developing our youth levels.

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                    #10
                    It has to do with youth system and development. We are masters of gol koochik football, therefore we don’t need an established footballing system to teach our kids creativity. Same goes with our wingers. However a player who plays the center of the field, like center back or center midfielder, needs that football knowledge and acumen to succeed. These are position for high game IQ players. Our weakness in the back is directly correlated to our lack of a youth development system.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by PEJ View Post
                      It has to do with youth system and development. We are masters of gol koochik football, therefore we don’t need an established footballing system to teach our kids creativity. Same goes with our wingers. However a player who plays the center of the field, like center back or center midfielder, needs that football knowledge and acumen to succeed. These are position for high game IQ players. Our weakness in the back is directly correlated to our lack of a youth development system.
                      Which systems are the best in your opinion? I'm totally unaware of how these systems work.

                      Are there any variations between systems? Which ones have been succesful and produced talents.

                      Personally I only know of some clubs with prestige that are known for developing players ie Ajax, D. Zagreb, Barcelona etc and want to know more about these aspects of the game.

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                        #12
                        I think it’s clear as day the issue in the defense department for us is in the fullback positions. We don’t have a single fullback we can say is super solid defensively, and can’t have confidence they can mark the wingers and forwards we will see at the WC. Not a single one who is involved in TM can we say that abou.

                        I miss the days when CQ would scout for areas we were weak in and slowly introduce that player to the team over time. His version of doing that has been introducing the weakness (noorafkan) and useless Milad Sarlak lol….comical!!!
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ghermez Agha View Post
                          We don’t have a single fullback we can say is super solid defensively
                          Milad is good defensively, actually he is excellent defensively - pace, tackling, heading...
                          he is just below schoolboy level going forward....

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                            #14
                            Do we have any defenders that are capable of build up play currently? Which ones have the capacity?

                            Thinking of not just TM but IPL and foreign based players.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by AGC View Post
                              Which systems are the best in your opinion? I'm totally unaware of how these systems work.

                              Are there any variations between systems? Which ones have been succesful and produced talents.

                              Personally I only know of some clubs with prestige that are known for developing players ie Ajax, D. Zagreb, Barcelona etc and want to know more about these aspects of the game.
                              I don’t mean any specific system. I am alluding to the fact that kids are thought the concept of passing and moving at an early age. Generally kids go through a progression system of 4v4 or 5v5 to 7v7 to 9v9 and finally 11v11. In those early stages huge emphasis is put on being able to play out the back. Therefore you find many highly skilled players play in the back those early years. Kids are often rotated ti different positions in the early stages. It’s like a position less game. Everyone had to be able to pass and receive the ball.

                              It is very sad to say, but I have watched academy games and they seem to be head and shoulders above in terms of footballing IQ as opposed to many iPL TEAMS.

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