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[ben.walken]

Sure! I Believe. We have fans as passionate as you who I hope will rally behind this team and with the level of talent and a more balanced and dare I say offensive approach I see this team being supported out of the group stage!

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The enthusiasm is admirable, but do you honestly think we will be playing balanced let alone offensively in the world cup. Heck, we even defended vs S.Korea and only came forward when they allowed us.

The only metric we have for Skocic is playing vs Asian opponents and the end results thus far were favorable (except the Korea game). However, statistically speaking we have had on average as much attacking chances with him compared to CQ but on the other hand we have been extremely vulnerable defensively by giving 2x to 3x more chances to the opponents. During the last WCQ we've been lucky that our opponents did not have a half decent finishers otherwise the results would have been a little less glamorous. As an example, on both our games against UAE we gave up possession (55/45 "Away" and 60/40 "Home") with total of 11 shots against our goal on the last match (that's about roughly the number of shots Argentina and Portugal had against us). Another comparison, when we played S. Korea in Tehran with CQ we allowed them 1 shot (0 on target) but with Skocic it was 16 shots.

I strongly believe that with Skocic we will be playing 3 compact and defensive games in the world cup, with fingers crossed that both Azmoun and Taremi are in good form and can snatch us a goal on a counter or through some individual heroism. My only concern is that our defense has been gradually regressing to a "bezan ziresh" approach, so I hope that I'm wrong and that there is a different side to Skocic that we haven't seen yet, but that would be a lot to wish for as most likely this team will be poorly prepared for the WC due to our incompetent federation and a yes man coach who would not speak out if his job is at risk.

[ben.walken]

Off course asian cup is more important
For a nation that has only 6 wc to it's resume
With an awful wc records overall
2 w
9 L
4 d
with gd -15
we are not a world cup nation that
Has any saying in wc tournament.
When we are in that status
Asian cup becomes more important
Because there is actual expectation to
Get results and we haven't won ac in 46
Years.

Iran bathroom system is bad
Instead of spending and destroying
Economy to enrich urinum with threat of atom bombs
Go fix your bathroom system first .

Go to final of asian cup first
Than talk about advancing from group.

Don't buy benz
If u struggled to buy groceries.


Good ol persian hypocrisy
Is every where at its best.

If you ask the Egyptians they would gladly give up their 7 AFCON cups for WC participation. Winning AC would give us nothing other than a metal cup on a shelf. Financially speaking, playing WC group stage alone is worth twice as much as winning the AC. Not to mention, a good wold cup showing will help our players move to better clubs. I would take advancing from our group stage over winning AC any day.

[oracle]

If you ask the Egyptians they would gladly give up their 7 AFCON cups for WC participation. Winning AC would give us nothing other than a metal cup on a shelf. Financially speaking, playing WC group stage alone is worth twice as much as winning the AC. Not to mention, a good wold cup showing will help our players move to better clubs. I would take advancing from our group stage over winning AC any day.

when there is no chance od advancing
keeep saying if we advance will not make us advance

a metal cup??? loooool
GORBEH DASTESH BEH GOOSHT NEMIRESID
MIGOFT BOO MIDEH

advance from group first
just once
then we can even hold talk regarding this matter.
till than
asian cup Fact of being more important for iran base on our wc results ARE SO strong
there is nothing to debate.

[oracle]

Yes. And remember the controversy in 2011. Qatar brought in the military to fill stands and make themselves look like a football crazy nation. Then few years later amidst all the talks of more suitable nations they go amd win it all. It was all by design to get Qatar the AC and make them look like legitimate hosts for WC.

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when fbi investigated fifa
Facts came out qatar paid bribs to get that wc.

[O-ZoNe]

when fbi investigated fifa
Facts came out qatar paid bribs to get that wc.

And they legitimized it by saying they deserve it as Asian Champs.

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[oracle]

And they legitimized it by saying they deserve it as Asian Champs.

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loooool
are you an attorney ?

[O-ZoNe]

loooool
are you an attorney ?

No. Judge, jury, and...

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[Farzadfarhangni]

The enthusiasm is admirable, but do you honestly think we will be playing balanced let alone offensively in the world cup. Heck, we even defended vs S.Korea and only came forward when they allowed us.

The only metric we have for Skocic is playing vs Asian opponents and the end results thus far were favorable (except the Korea game). However, statistically speaking we have had on average as much attacking chances with him compared to CQ but on the other hand we have been extremely vulnerable defensively by giving 2x to 3x more chances to the opponents. During the last WCQ we've been lucky that our opponents did not have a half decent finishers otherwise the results would have been a little less glamorous. As an example, on both our games against UAE we gave up possession (55/45 "Away" and 60/40 "Home") with total of 11 shots against our goal on the last match (that's about roughly the number of shots Argentina and Portugal had against us). Another comparison, when we played S. Korea in Tehran with CQ we allowed them 1 shot (0 on target) but with Skocic it was 16 shots.

I strongly believe that with Skocic we will be playing 3 compact and defensive games in the world cup, with fingers crossed that both Azmoun and Taremi are in good form and can snatch us a goal on a counter or through some individual heroism. My only concern is that our defense has been gradually regressing to a "bezan ziresh" approach, so I hope that I'm wrong and that there is a different side to Skocic that we haven't seen yet, but that would be a lot to wish for as most likely this team will be poorly prepared for the WC due to our incompetent federation and a yes man coach who would not speak out if his job is at risk.

I'd be very curious to know more about chances given to opponents. Except 2x to 3x seems non scientific. What was the average number of chances given to opponents and chances created by us, during 3rd round of qualifications in 2018 and 2022. And would love to know your source for this data too.

As for UAE's possession, you are correct. It was 56/44 and 61/39 for UAE in the two games in 2022. But I wonder why you picked just one team. We played 10 games against 5 teams and the average was 55.6%/44.4% for Iran in 2022 and 49.7%/50.3% against Iran in 2018. I think these numbers are much more representative. As far as shots by UAE, you are correct, they had 11 and 5 in their two games against us in 2022. But again, I am surprised that you just picked UAE as your example. UAE finished third in the group in 2022. Qatar finished dead last in 2018. Do you want to know how many shots they had against us in 2018 qualifications? 12 and 8. In all 10 games, we had an average of 12.8 shots vs our opponents having 8.2 in 2022 and 12.2 shots vs our opponents having 7.5 in 2018. Very very similar if you ask me.

And as far as defense regressing and bezan ziresh approach, I already had a post on this which I copy/paste below:

This bekesh ziresh and not being able to string a few passes did not match my perception of what Skocic ball looks like, particularly compared to CQ ball. And the number of people that thanked you for your post really made me question my belief. So I went through the stats of CQ's third round 10 game qualification in 2018 and Skocic's third round 10 game qualification for 2022. Hope you are all sitting down

CQ's 2018 3rd round 10 game WC qualification performance:

Average number of passes per game: 339.0
% of passes completed: 68.4
% possession: 49.7


Skocic's 2022 3rd round 10 game WC qualification performance:

Average number of passes per game: 438.5
% of passes completed: 80.4
% possession: 55.6

[taremiscores]

Yes. And remember the controversy in 2011. Qatar brought in the military to fill stands and make themselves look like a football crazy nation. Then few years later amidst all the talks of more suitable nations they go amd win it all. It was all by design to get Qatar the AC and make them look like legitimate hosts for WC.

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This is not true. They won the bid in 2011 and FIFA was going to stick with Qatar because of the (purported) bribes - regardless of the pressure. There is still huge pressure on them because of labour deaths (in creating stadiums and infrastructure). But FIFA was never goin to backtrack.

What does their Asian cup win have anything to do with it? They beat Japan fair and square.

[O-ZoNe]

This is not true. They won the bid in 2011 and FIFA was going to stick with Qatar because of the (purported) bribes - regardless of the pressure. There is still huge pressure on them because of labour deaths (in creating stadiums and infrastructure). But FIFA was never goin to backtrack.

What does their Asian cup win have anything to do with it? They beat Japan fair and square.

You are right. It actually started in 2006 well before 2011. Here is a summary of the controversy from Wiki.

The AFC Asian Cup 2011 was not without controversy as concerns were risen about the extremely low crowds at most Asian Cup games not featuring the host nation Qatar. The average attendance was just 12,006, much lower than the previous AFC Asian Cup tournaments. North Korea and the United Arab Emirates both had the lowest attendance numbers with approximately 3,000 and 6,000 attendances respectively.[19]*The*final match*between Japan and Australia saw as many as 3,000 to 10,000 fans with valid tickets denied entry to the stadium[20]*which then allegedly sparked small skirmishes among fans, "It was just incredibly badly handled. There were kids and families, not causing any problem, being confronted by riot police and being told they weren't getting in," according to*Andy Richardson,*Al Jazeera's sports correspondent.[21]*The AFC stated that the gates were closed early for security concerns and organisers did not anticipate an influx of*Japanese*and*Australian*fans. The organising committee has offered to refund all tickets not redeemed at the match.[22]

After staging the 2006 Asian Games,[23]*this Asian Cup was being closely watched as an indicator to see how Qatar copes with hosting a major international football tournament[24]*in preparation for the*2022 FIFA World Cup*in Qatar.



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[Omids]

And they legitimized it by saying they deserve it as Asian Champs.

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And no one believes them.

[O-ZoNe]

And no one believes them.

Taremiscores clearly does...

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[taremiscores]

Taremiscores clearly does...

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You believe they legitimized their 2011 World Cup bid win by their 2019 Asian Cup win? Which they won 8 years after their World Cup bid?

No one in the world gives a hoot about an Asian Cup win. They legitimized it by their purported bribes, where FIFA's fat cats got paid. Nothing more, nothing less.

When does a World Cup always go to a good footballing nation? South Africa hosted it in 2010.

[O-ZoNe]

You believe they legitimized their 2011 World Cup bid win by their 2019 Asian Cup win? Which they won 8 years after their World Cup bid?

No one in the world gives a hoot about an Asian Cup win. They legitimized it by their purported bribes, where FIFA's fat cats got paid. Nothing more, nothing less.

When does a World Cup always go to a good footballing nation? South Africa hosted it in 2010.

The bigger question is when ever has a nation hosted a WC without prior participation in a WC? I don't believe AC 2019 legitimized their hosting rights but that is the angle used by powers that be. Time for it to return to Asia and who better than the Asian Champs to host. Seems fishy don't you think?

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[taremiscores]

The bigger question is when ever has a nation hosted a WC without prior participation in a WC? I don't believe AC 2019 legitimized their hosting rights but that is the angle used by powers that be. Time for it to return to Asia and who better than the Asian Champs to host. Seems fishy don't you think?

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Everything with Qatar (and Persian Gulf Arab countries) is fishy. In particular, when there are huge sums of bribes to do business. But, I don't think their AC win in 2019 had nothing to do with their bid or was used to add legitimacy to it.