Clarification on skocic vs CQ misinformation..

[O-ZoNe]

I believe it is you who is comparing apples and oranges by responding to my question about Skocic’s result with another coach’s result.

Lol cause you are comparing two separate matches that only have 1 thing in common...a coach. Different lineup. Different circumstances (already qualified vs not)' Different host. Even CQ or any other coach didn't win all their matches. Forest for the trees buddy. It's like arguing with a wall.

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[Lorestani]

Because your comparisons are akin to apples and oranges. If CQ had the same lineup as Skocic and similar circumstances what do you think the outcome would be?

BTW 1996 Mayeli Kohan beat South Korea 6-2 in AC. So by your logic Mayeli Kohan is a better coach than CQ??? No one in the right mind would say that because ignoring circumstances and factors of the head 2 head would be illogical. So wanna discuss mental acrobatics still?

As the Americans say "denial" is not just a river in Egypt.

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You have time and again shown a very liberal relationship to evidence. You comfortably discard it or demand highest standards when you review other people's arguments, yet you yourself either provide no evidence whatsoever for your arguments (e.g. Skocic turning down NZ because he wants better opponents) or conveniently distort and skew evidence (e.g. CQ's friendlies). Not sure what you are trying to achieve, but whatever it is, you ain't achieving it.

[mehdi13]

Lol cause you are comparing two separate matches that only have 1 thing in common...a coach. Different lineup. Different circumstances (already qualified vs not)' Different host. Even CQ or any other coach didn't win all their matches. Forest for the trees buddy. It's like arguing with a wall.

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Oh. Only the coach was the same. Very small and insignificant detail.

[Ostad_Goosfand]

Sorry in Seoul. Anyways we also have Iran Syria 2-2...many other examples. Point is apples and oranges. You are missing the forest for trees mate.

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In Seoul, with 10 men, and not allowing Korea to even get near Iran goal

[O-ZoNe]

Oh. Only the coach was the same. Very small and insignificant detail.

Well...sure. important but minor when 11 players need to play and not the 11 he likely would have used or perhaps wanted to use because we had already qualified.

Look folks. I get it. You all love CQ. We were nothing before him and will be nothing after him. SKOCIC showed at a min he can draw SK while dictating play against SK with his preferred lineup. Even CQ drew SK. You can't win them all and you can't compare a single game and make conclusions otherwise Mayeli Kohan is better than both CQ and Skocic combined.

I understand you feel CQ is the best option. I bet if CQ wore anti Persian Gulf slogan on his shirt while coaching a rival or even said i hate Persians you all would still want him back. He is a Saint to you. I just hope you guys can see we already have tried CQ experiment and many countries after us have with similar outcomes. What's wrong with giving a a coach with an incredible record and easiest qualification to date a chance? Everyone starts somewhere and fit matters. The players (from photos) seem to like him and we have some time to get our sh!t together. Changing the coach is not the answer but directing this energy to holding IFF accountable might be more advantageous to us.

With that said I will try my hardest to avoid the CQ debate. Not interested in supporting another nations (TBD) coach. I'll focus on TM and our gutsy coach who took a job no one wanted and has only faced ungrateful and at times shameful behavior from fans contrary to our cultural beliefs and practice.

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[O-ZoNe]

You have time and again shown a very liberal relationship to evidence. You comfortably discard it or demand highest standards when you review other people's arguments, yet you yourself either provide no evidence whatsoever for your arguments (e.g. Skocic turning down NZ because he wants better opponents) or conveniently distort and skew evidence (e.g. CQ's friendlies). Not sure what you are trying to achieve, but whatever it is, you ain't achieving it.

This warrants no response but I suggested and Speculated the NZ. My point was how do we know what is going on with friendlies till we fully know. You can distort whatever you want. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as mine.

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[Lorestani]

This warrants no response but I suggested and Speculated the NZ. My point was how do we know what is going on with friendlies till we fully know. You can distort whatever you want. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as mine.

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No, buddy, as long as you do not present any evidence backing up your arguments and bring up conveniently skewed evidence to the table trying to disprove others, you cannot hold other people's argument to the highest evidentiary standards possible, or claim that your opinions are just as valid as anyone else's. I am sorry, it does not work like that. It's irrational and against your own advocacy for more rationality in the debate.

[Farzadfarhangni]

How about not being able to win against SK twice? You mention second-rated teams, but conveniently omit that which counts considering we are *checks notes* preparing for a World Cup.

When we lost to Lebanon and Uzbekistan during 2014 WCQ, they did not count??? At least, Skocic did not lose to any second-rated teams!!!!

[Farzadfarhangni]

And why couldn’t he win in Tehran with a full lineup? I forget the excuse for that one…

Same excuse as when CQ lost to Lebanon and Uzbekistan in 2014 WC qualifiers!!! What was it again? What was the excuse? Selective memory maybe?

[mehdi13]

Same excuse as when CQ lost to Lebanon and Uzbekistan in 2014 WC qualifiers!!! What was it again? What was the excuse? Selective memory maybe?

Irrelevant. CQ is not going to be TM coach in Qatar. Dragan Skocic is. If his supporters believe that the main reason we lost in Korea was the missing players, then I believe my question about why he couldn’t win with a full lineup in Tehran in a more important game is a very logical one.

[mehdi13]

I understand you feel CQ is the best option.

You shouldn’t assume that everyone who wants Skocic out, wants CQ back…

[a_m]

When we lost to Lebanon and Uzbekistan during 2014 WCQ, they did not count??? At least, Skocic did not lose to any second-rated teams!!!!

You are obviously looking at everything through an emotional lens , without logically breaking it down…
You are insane bro , because the definition of insanity is repeating same thing over again, without looking at the context of the situation, .



The context of the situation clearly shows that all these team are in a massive transition period were all the players of the past have been replaced with new players who still need time to settle in ,,,
Making theses the weakest Iraq Lebanon and Syria teams in a while , 2 of these teams were even banned from even play home games , , when it came to showing up in big games were undefeated against S.Korea for 8 years


Under skocic , , the 1st game they were better than us but it was a tie , the 2nd game could have finished 5-0 to be honest and still this team is much weaker than s.Korean team we played in the past and much weaker than any team we will play against in the World Cup… S,Korea never struggles against Arab teams the tied Iraq struggled against Lebanon LOST AGAINST UAE. That same time that almost beat us , 5-0….



All of the foundational work CQ had done 8 years to get all these players to finally think like professional players is fully blossoming now , …so we are lucky we have a Taremi/sardar,, and beside the coaches job is to develop around these players not just us these players to the max , what if taremi get injured , azmoun gets covid , janabaksh is out of form what then ,,,,, we can’t just rely on 3 players , we need a foundation behind these players who can step in when needed..

[Farzadfarhangni]

Irrelevant. CQ is not going to be TM coach in Qatar. Dragan Skocic is. If his supporters believe that the main reason we lost in Korea was the missing players, then I believe my question about why he couldn’t win with a full lineup in Tehran in a more important game is a very logical one.

Well, until you have an alternative to Skocic, all of your talk about wanting Skocic out is irrelevant.

[mehdi13]

Well, until you have an alternative to Skocic, all of your talk about wanting Skocic out is irrelevant.

First reply was about CQ. Second reply is about me. Maybe third will be addressing the game against South Korea in Tehran.

[Farzadfarhangni]

First reply was about CQ. Second reply is about me. Maybe third will be addressing the game against South Korea in Tehran.

We tied Korea in Tehran 1-1. What would you like to know? Am I addressing your question now?