Will Iran's Football prosper under the Islamic Republic?

[Rooyintan]

I again don't see what SK has to do with the fact if Iran is processing/prospering or not under IR.. But even we want to bring them in the mix, SK has reach the top 4 teams at the WC not too long ago. They (like all other top Asian teams, except Iran) have had very good results on world stage and reached the knock out stages recently.
How badbakht are we that in the current state you don't THINK that we are not flourishing..
On one side I always hear that Iranians are the most gifted and talented in Asia, like we have some kind of special kool aid we drink that makes us good at football, on the other side it's hard for people to judge if we are FLOURISHING or not with our super talented players that are for some strange reason the most talented people in the world, yet get shit results.
I think it should be pretty clear if we are flourishing or not.

South Korea dreams of winning Asia Cup(it's been very long for them since last they won in 1960), they haven't because they couldn't. They won 1978 Asian Games (which Iran did not participate) and won 1986 at home. Iran won 3 AG since IRI 1990, 1998 and 2002. The 2002 Team Omid defeated South Korea at Taeguk Warriors home turf. Their main focus is on World Cup and they always made it since 1986.

Saudi Arabia and Japan have been the most consistent in focusing on Asia Cup and winning it many times. Saudi Arabia did well from 1984 until 2000 and then 2007. Either won or lost in the final.

Team Melli exited 4 tournaments without loss, due to bad luck in 1984(own goal and awful p.s.o), 2004(corrupt referee + awful p.s.o), 2007(awful p.s.o), 2015(corrupt referee + awful p.s.o).

1980 (if the news of the war did not affect Team Melli players) and 1996(again awful p.s.o) would have won.

Team Omid is the one who has consistently performed badly. Only achievement 2002 Asian Games Gold and 2006 Asian Games Bronze. At U23 Asia Cup always performed bad. Team Omid is what FFIRI has failed big time, even big coaches failed. This is very worrisome since Team Omid is supposed to be the feeder team for Team Melli.

[taremiscores]

South Korea dreams of winning Asia Cup(it's been very long for them since last they won in 1960), they haven't because they couldn't. They won 1978 Asian Games (which Iran did not participate) and won 1986 at home. Iran won 3 AG since IRI 1990, 1998 and 2002. The 2002 Team Omid defeated South Korea at Taeguk Warriors home turf. Their main focus is on World Cup and they always made it since 1986.
Saudi Arabia and Japan have been the most consistent in focusing on Asia Cup and winning it many times. Saudi Arabia did well from 1984 until 2000 and then 2007. Either won or lost in the final.
Team Melli exited 4 tournaments without loss, due to bad luck in 1984(own goal and awful p.s.o), 2004(corrupt referee + awful p.s.o), 2007(awful p.s.o), 2015(corrupt referee + awful p.s.o).
1980 (if the news of the war did not affect Team Melli players) and 1996(again awful p.s.o) would have won.
Team Omid is the one who has consistently performed badly. Only achievement 2002 Asian Games Gold and 2006 Asian Games Bronze. At U23 Asia Cup always performed bad. Team Omid is what FFIRI has failed big time, even big coaches failed. This is very worrisome since Team Omid is supposed to be the feeder team for Team Melli.

South Korea & Iran at the World Cup:
- South Korea has made 10 straight World cups. They've made it past the group stage 2 times - once became 4th place.
- South Korea has beaten Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. in the World Cup. IR Iran has only beaten Morocco and USA in 15 World Cup matches under IRI.
- IRI has one of the worst record of World Cup records (probably worst, haven't checked) for a nation that has been there 5 times. High chance IRI World Cup record will maintain same pace this World Cup with current federation and coach.

Asian Cup
- You can say Iran has been unlucky in Asian Cup, but we have been constantly kicked out. We've never reached the finals while South Korea has reached the Asian Cup finals three times in that timeframe (1980, 1988, 2015). So why do they have to dream about it? They were in the finals and were close! IRI has never made the finals (we are the ones to have to dream! We didn't even sniff the finals.).
- Hopefully 2023/24 will be different and we will get crowned Asian Champs, despite IRI.

[Babak agha]

South Korea & Iran at the World Cup:
- South Korea has made 10 straight World cups. They've made it past the group stage 2 times - once became 4th place.
- South Korea has beaten Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. in the World Cup. IR Iran has only beaten Morocco and USA in 15 World Cup matches under IRI.
- IRI has one of the worst record of World Cup records (probably worst, haven't checked) for a nation that has been there 5 times. High chance IRI World Cup record will maintain same pace this World Cup with current federation and coach.
Asian Cup
- You can say Iran has been unlucky in Asian Cup, but we have been constantly kicked out. We've never reached the finals while South Korea has reached the Asian Cup finals (2015). So why do they have to dream about it? They were in the finals and were close! IRI has never made the finals (we are the ones to have to dream we didn't even sniff the finals).
- Hopefully 2023/24 will be different and we will get crowned Asian Champs, despite IRI.

Seeing the poll results I think there's no need to argue anymore.

[taremiscores]

Also, in past 20 years - Japan, South Korea and Qatar have hosted the World Cup. The world’s biggest sporting event because of great organizational capabilities and infrastructure.

In Japan, football is not even the most popular sport. In Qatar, they have a population of less than 3 million people! Iran would 100% have been Asia’s best place to host if we had a thriving and Irandoost government.

A true shame. Iran is not even qualified to host the Asian Cup currently.

[Rooyintan]

South Korea & Iran at the World Cup:
- South Korea has made 10 straight World cups. They've made it past the group stage 2 times - once became 4th place.
- South Korea has beaten Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. in the World Cup. IR Iran has only beaten Morocco and USA in 15 World Cup matches under IRI.
- IRI has one of the worst record of World Cup records (probably worst, haven't checked) for a nation that has been there 5 times. High chance IRI World Cup record will maintain same pace this World Cup with current federation and coach.
Asian Cup
- You can say Iran has been unlucky in Asian Cup, but we have been constantly kicked out. We've never reached the finals while South Korea has reached the Asian Cup finals three times in that timeframe (1980, 1988, 2015). So why do they have to dream about it? They were in the finals and were close! IRI has never made the finals (we are the ones to have to dream! We didn't even sniff the finals.).
- Hopefully 2023/24 will be different and we will get crowned Asian Champs, despite IRI.

Look you are right about South Korea's WC qualification planning achievement. However keep in mind that their national team only reached next level fair and square in 2010. The 2002 edition, corrupt referees helped Korea reach the next levels.

I don't want to repeat myself. I say it for the last time:

1. Each era had its own challenges.

2. We must acknowledge that FFIRI did have some achievements with Team Melli, Club Sides, Futsal, Beach Soccer and Youth Teams. The only real failures under IRI have been Team Omid and Women's Football. Ofcourse other areas need improvements.

3. We must acknowledge that the quality of Football in Asia has improved in comparison to the times when Pahlavi ruled in Iran. There is now more rivalry between teams and as we have seen it weaker teams at times defeat stronger teams.

4. We must acknowledge that Pahlavi era was not Perfect. There were mismanagement, treason, corruption, military and government interference in Iranian Football which sadly IRI inherited from that period and now the level of corruption, mismanagement, treason, military involvement has increased significantly.

5. We must acknowledge that in Pahlavi period. Asia Cup was walk in the park:

1968 Asia Cup - North Korea a giant of Asian Football and Kuwait a rising Football nation and solid teams like Iraq and Syria did not enter qualification. South Korea surprisingly got eliminated in qualification. Israel entered the Asia Cup without playing any qualification matches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_A..._qualification

1972 Asia Cup - Giants of Asia (North Korea, Israel, Japan, Burma, Taiwan all withdrew from qualification)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_A..._qualification

1976 Asia Cup - Taiwan and Israel were no longer member of AFC were expelled sometime in 1974. South Korea and Japan surprisingly missed out. Likes of Burma, Khmer Republic and Syria withdrew from qualification. North Korea and Thailand and newcomer Saudi Arabia withdrew from the tournament after having qualified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_A..._qualification

[Ardalan]

Dar che zaminei zire jomhoorie eslaami pishraft kardim ke footbaalemoon pishfraft kone.

JOMHOORIE ESLAAMI = RIDEMOON VA ESHAALE BI-PAYAAN.

[koorosh]

For the 12% who believe our football is flourishing:

Flourish = "to reach a height of development or influence". Webster's dictionary.

From Payeh to Professional, exactly what heights have we achieved that is propertional to Iran's size and wealth?

Our professional teams get disqualified because they are not professional. Our Federation has been suspended by FIFA for being government run and is repeatedly threatened with suspension.

We can't set up friendlies because even the dalals say that playing TM can be a scandal:. ""For a lot of teams, I don't even propose Iran because politics can be problematic," Azaria said. "Why should we work with the risk of a scandal?""

We have not flourished. We have had a few minor successes.

[Roxanaz80]

Iran's football will prosper the day we learn how to treat each other with respect. The nasleh sookhteh growing up under that system(ayatollas, persian parents) is in kir zadan survival mode(inner child needs to lash out) even if it's self sabotage. IR has breeded little dictators who have issues with big dictators.
Our bolangoo holders are full of ogdeh, is that we want?

[Keshwardoost]

My only contribution to this thread:
I have to say, I dont care for future prospering and so on, football is dead soon and this is the last real world cup anyway.
last world cup with 4 teams/group, it will be 3 team groups from the next one, aka 2 games,, and some other changed rules that are going to change the whole thing..
its serious talks about having it every 2 years aswell, taking away all the exhitement building up over the years..

so fk it, this is the last real world cup, its going to be as exhiting as icehockey world cup tournaments without all the best nhl stars being played every year.. thats why
olympics are so graet for hockey, since its every 4 years..

+ nations league will in time take over world cup, when it emerges to nation league finals where all the winners in the groups all over the world meet in a yearly playoff..

so for me, keelos this thered who cares baba, its all over in december. lets hope we pull of a miracle world cup since iff scrued TM with preps..
after this, the only real league worth following will be pgpl lol

and

only sport worth following will be
pudding wrestling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MxI8CJpHhk

[Rooyintan]

Women's Football was a problem in Imperial period as well as IRI period. The problem is "Mardsalari".

The first AFC Women's Championship was held in 1975 and there was no sign of Iran women's national team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_A...s_Championship

Iran's problems are beyond the type of regime. Qajar, Pahlavi and IRI have all failed politically and socially.

Iran's problems are primarily social.