Will Iran's Football prosper under the Islamic Republic?

[somebuffguy]

Rather than banning them, I think we should hear their argument for why they think Iran's football can prosper under this regime/system.

After the Shah left, how long did it take for Iran to see a world cup again? People want IR to leave and completely ignore what has happened to Iraq.
Also, IR will not leave until the west has its back. You realize the school were Akhunds graduate from in Qom was built by the British, right? IR is not going anywhere. Get comfortable.

[somebuffguy]

I apologize in advance to the mods for this post but it needs to be said that there are *** edited *** Iranians who have adopted opposition to the Iranian Regime as a personality to kiss up to the governments within which they live like they care. They feel good going to bed at night knowing they talked some shit about the IR. I have news for you. Your governemnts, whether Canada, USA or England, don't give two shits about you or your opinions. You know what they care about? They care about Iranians (and all their citizens) being mdoel citizens by paying their taxes, not cheating the public coffers, making money under the table and also receiving government benefits, driving range rovers and depositing their money into their children's accounts to stay below the asset threshold so they could continue receiving benefits! That's what they care about you morons! No one gives a fucking shit about your ideological views and what you think about IR!

Don’t insult!

[Farbakhsh]

Rather than banning them, I think we should hear their argument for why they think Iran's football can prosper under this regime/system.

For most of people here and around the world this reads like this "I think we should hear their argument for why they think Iran's football can prosper under Nazi Germany". The people who argue this also deny the holocaust most of the time. They deny the executions, the murders, and the human rights crimes against humanity committed on their own compatriots. The time for talking is over we've had 43 years of no change just terror, corruption, and negligence.
The time is coming that silence is violence.

[Rooyintan]

Could you please also give your thoughts on the other things taremiscores mentioned? Looking forward to it.

I do not need to give my thoughts on everything mentioned in every post. I am not perfect and other members are entitled to their opinions. Who am I to judge them?
What I can say is this:
اکثر مشکلات ایران اجتماعی است. برای پیشروی نیاز است تا هر چه زودتر مذهب رسمی را برداشت، بیگانه پرستی، خیانت، فساد، دزدی، پارتی بازی، مرد سالاری، تبعیض و عقاید پوچ را ریشه کن کرد. عرق ملی، وطندوستی، همبستگی، احترام و یا تحمل به تمام پرچم ها و سرودهای ملی ایران را ترویج داد.
پاینده باد ایران. روح آشو زرتشت، کوروش بزرگ، داریوش بزرگ، خشایار بزرگ و دیگر قهرمانان ملی تمدن ایران شادباش.

[Babak agha]

I do not need to give my thoughts on everything mentioned in every post. I am not perfect and other members are entitled to their opinions. Who am I to judge them?
What I can say is this:
اکثر مشکلات ایران اجتماعی است. برای پیشروی نیاز است تا هر چه زودتر مذهب رسمی را برداشت، بیگانه پرستی، خیانت، فساد، دزدی، پارتی بازی، مرد سالاری، تبعیض و عقاید پوچ را ریشه کن کرد. عرق ملی، وطندوستی، همبستگی، احترام و یا تحمل به تمام پرچم ها و سرودهای ملی ایران را ترویج داد.
پاینده باد ایران. روح آشو زرتشت، کوروش بزرگ، داریوش بزرگ، خشایار بزرگ و دیگر قهرمانان ملی تمدن ایران شادباش.

You do not and there is no judging, I'm simply asking you to give your opinion on the rest of the post rather than picking out something that is irrelevant.

I was interested to know how you come to the conclusion that Iranian football has progressed under IR. Surely having the coaches you mentioned does not justify that.
If you could also give your opinion on the rest of the post, and come to the conclusion that despite the things mentioned Iran progressed, I maybe could learn a thing or two and change my opinion.

I suppose this is the very reason people like to go on forums and debate, hoping to hear something they haven't heard before.

[Artaxerxes]

" I say let this land burn, i say let this land go up in smoke,provided islam remains triumphant "

Quoted the failed abortion olagh Khomeini.

It dosent get more anti Iran than that, those who support I.R are the biggest vatanforuosh, specialy those akhondparasts that lives in the west.

[somebuffguy]

" I say let this land burn, i say let this land go up in smoke,provided islam remains triumphant "

Quoted the failed abortion olagh Khomeini.

It dosent get more anti Iran than that, those who support I.R are the biggest vatanforuosh, specialy those akhondparasts that lives in the west.

Khomeini goh khord. He doesn't even need to say that for us to know they're anti-Iran. It's called the "islamic republic" which means that Iran is only a part of this bullshit, their ambitions go beyond Iran. That being said, IR is going nowhere, and it's important for Iranians not to get caught up in the BS narrative thinking they're somehow morally superior because they get to shit on IR. Shitting on IR does not advance Iran's interests.

[Artaxerxes]

Khomeini goh khord. He doesn't even need to say that for us to know they're anti-Iran. It's called the "islamic republic" which means that Iran is only a part of this bullshit, their ambitions go beyond Iran. That being said, IR is going nowhere, and it's important for Iranians not to get caught up in the BS narrative thinking they're somehow morally superior because they get to shit on IR. Shitting on IR does not advance Iran's interests.

And based on what intel do you know that this olaghs wont collapse?

[somebuffguy]

And based on what intel do you know that this olaghs wont collapse?

No intel. let's see what happens but too many Iranians are so preoccupied with this bullshit and there's always a greater underlying reason involved.
It's funny though, I hear random people talk about politics and they all say the same things which makes it so easy to understand that they're all being fed the same information, and usually through the same mediums of communication. The strategy is eerily similar to the one BBC took to stoke hatred in Iran against the Shah. I am afraid that this time when the boy cries wolf, no one will come.

[AGC]

Yes, Gladly.
Or maybe you? Someone should step up.
...
Here is the start of the ban list:
Babak_Shirazi
Farhad21
Filsoof
MHosseini
maly3648
Manitoban
SkyeKingu
somebuffguy
Zorar

Me? Nahhh My righteous rahbar

You may have the honour

[Roxanaz80]

I didn't think such an obvious answer needed a poll.
Nothing and I mean nothing has or will prosper under this akhound regime. Except terrorism!

It's not uniquely an akhound problem, Iranians have lots of qualities but suffer from khodshiftegi and namard tendencies.
Without humility and teamwork à la japonaise nothing will budge long term.
We have it all, we need time and long term plans. Mature , competent people who are willing to put in the hours without the honours

[DR Strangemoosh]

it needs to be said that there are moronic Iranians

That's what they care about you morons! No one gives a fucking shit about your ideological views and what you think about IR!

Why do you have to be so aggressive all the time?

I get that you think forums are fine for sh*t-talking but you just come across really hostile for no reason, a lot of people come on forums to chill out not to have to deal with someone who is always on level 11 aggression. Are you like this in real life?

[DR Strangemoosh]

IR has been a tragic disaster for Iran and football is no exception.

We went from three consecutive Asian cups to dissolution of the football infrastructure.

Almost no national team had dominated a continent for a decade the way Iran had in the seventies.

We were on the cusp of becoming a team for the history books -

The door was opening for our players: https://www.espn.co.uk/football/colu...-man-utd-dream

Our football went backwards so much.

We have had some amazing moments, sure, but even Iraq after becoming a shell of a country became Asian Champions in 2007 and the last four in Olympics Football in 2004 . Have we even been finalists in Asian Cup since our 70s triple crown?

[the matrix1]

Why do you have to be so aggressive all the time?

I get that you think forums are fine for sh*t-talking but you just come across really hostile for no reason, a lot of people come on forums to chill out not to have to deal with someone who is always on level 11 aggression. Are you like this in real life?

I think somebuffguy and babak shirazi are trolls and should be banned from this site. It is very unfortunate the mods on this site don't do their jobs and ban them for being very aggressive and hostile but ban other people who have done a lot less!

[Rooyintan]

You do not and there is no judging, I'm simply asking you to give your opinion on the rest of the post rather than picking out something that is irrelevant.
I was interested to know how you come to the conclusion that Iranian football has progressed under IR. Surely having the coaches you mentioned does not justify that.
If you could also give your opinion on the rest of the post, and come to the conclusion that despite the things mentioned Iran progressed, I maybe could learn a thing or two and change my opinion.
I suppose this is the very reason people like to go on forums and debate, hoping to hear something they haven't heard before.

Sports (or more specifically Football) had ups and downs in both Pahlavi and IRI eras. There were strengths and weaknesses in both era.

Each era, situations and conditions were different. For Example, in Pahlavi era, Iranians could easily get visa or visa-waiver for many countries, yet national team did not arrange friendly matches with let's say Europeans (apart from Turkey) and Latin Americans until the 1970s. Iran did not join World Cup qualification until 1974, yet other Asian Countries such as Dutch East Indies, Palestine Mandate(later Israel), Syria, Japan, India, South Korea, North Korea their participation in World Cup Qualification dates back to either 1930s, 1950s or 1960s.

Iran did not participate or enter qualification for olympic games until 1964!!! Afghanistan participated at 1948 Olympic Games.

Iran Military (Artesh) and Police (Shahrbani) interfered in national league, regional league or national team affairs. Corruption existed in Pahlavi period.

However, some people just enjoy bashing others and disregard achievements by others. Go on with their delusional idea that Pahlavi period was flawless, Perfect according to them!
Pahlavi supporters keep on IRI bashing on this forum and disregarding that Iran won 3 Gold Medals in Asian Games.
1990 edition was as competitive as Asia Cup. 1998 edition was also competitive only Saudi Arabia was sending their U23 to Asian Games in 1994 & 1998, Iran didn't face them. In 1990 Asian Games Iran eliminated South Korea who several months before was at 1990 World Cup. In 1998 Iran demolished the reigning champions Uzbekistan by 4-0.

In Asia Cup competitions, Team Melli exited 1984, 2004, 2007, 2015 without losing a match. Is it IRI's fault that Iranian players can not convert penalties and lose in P.S.O.? or corrupt referees make decisions against Iran?
There are some teams that consistently lose in PSO such as England and Iran.

South Korea has not won Asia Cup since 1960!!! China with so much investment in Football has never won Asia Cup. Kuwait who invested so much in Football only won Asia Cup once. This is sign that traditional powers such as Iran, South Korea and Kuwait fell behind because others such as Japan and Saudi Arabia improved. What's Saudi Arabia and Japan's secret for such consistency, I wouldn't know. However what I do know is that neither Kuwait or South Korea are Islamic Republics

Iran qualified for 1980 Olympic Games but boycotted for political reasons. Yet, some members say Iran did not quality for Olympic Games in IRI era.

In continental club competitions:

Esteghlal won 1990–91. Also twice runner-up in 1991, 1998–99.

PAS Tehran won 1993-94 Asian Champions League

Persepolis won 1990–91 (Cup Winners Cup) & runner-up in (1992–93). Also twice runner up in Champions League 2018, 2020.

Sepahan was runner up in 2007.

Zobahan was runner up in 2010.