Team Melli is in Shambles. Officially Divided.

[diz]

Yes if the media didn't poke the team like this and supported the team and coach this would've not happen.

Our TM players are not a bunch of sheep that can be "poked" into anything. If that was the case, and they all had a hive mentality, wouldn't they ALL be against or for Skocic now? Of course not, because they aren't bots and can analyze the situation for themselves (and better than any of us). As you say, let's "support the team" and let them make their own conclusions about their situation.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

سید میرشاد ماجدی سرپرست فدراسیون در خصوص حواشی مطرح شده در روزهای اخیر گفت: متاسفانه حاشیه سازی ها در پایان اردوی قطر علیه تیم ملی فوتبال ایران آغاز شد و از همان روزهای ابتدایی نشانه های کمرنگی دیده می شد اما در ۴۸ ساعت گذشته به صراحت و از منابع نامعلوم برخی اخبار نادرست منتشر شد که به واقع آرامش تیم ملی را بر هم زد و جو بسیار نامناسبی را ایجاد کرده است.

ماجدی اضافه کرد: در دلسوزی و نگرانی تک تک اعضای تیم ملی با توجه به اخبار و شایعات همچنین حواشی مطرح شده در روزهای اخیر تردیدی وجود ندارد اما دو دسته شدن و موضع گیری بازیکنان در فضای مجازی پیرامون این موضوع حرفه ای و قابل پذیرش نبوده و نیست. تنها متولی موضوعات مرتبط با تیم ملی فدراسیون فوتبال جمهوری اسلامی ایران است که از استقلال رای خودش دفاع می کند. بازیکنان هم در جایگاه سربازان وطن که وظیفه دارند موجب شادی و خوشحالی مردم ایران شوند نباید نسبت به اینگونه موضوعات به هر شکل واکنش و موضع گیری نشان بدهند و له یا علیه کسی در این مسائل اظهار نظر کنند تا شرایط بحرانی فعلی ایجاد شود. فدراسیون فوتبال با آگاهی از تحرکاتی که در راستای ایجاد این دودستگی صورت گرفته با قدرت در برابر اینگونه رفتارهای غیر حرفه ای ایستادگی می کند و اجازه نخواهیم داد در آستانه جام جهانی کسی آرامش این تیم را به هر بهانه ای بر هم بزند.

سرپرست فدراسیون فوتبال گفت: از حمایت های وزارت محترم ورزش و دولت محترم همچنین نگرانی های همه دلسوزانی که شرایط تیم ملی و موفقیت فوتبال ایران در جام جهانی دغدغه آنها است قدردانی می کنم و تردیدی نداریم که همه ملت شریف ایران آرزو دارند تیم ملی فوتبال کشور با قدرت و انسجام برابر حریفانش صف آرایی کند.در این مقطع با توجه به حساسیت موضوع برگزاری اردوی پیش روی ماه سپتامبر تمرکز فدراسیون فوتبال تامین اعتبارات لازم به منظور برگزاری این اردو و انجام دو مسابقه تدارکاتی مورد نیاز است. حاشیه سازی های اخیر و انتشار اخبار و گمانه زنی های غیر رسمی موجب ایجاد دو قطبی یا چند قطبی هایی در اطراف تیم ملی می شود که انسجام و اتحاد ملی پوشان را تهدید می کند و این موضوع به هیچ وجه مورد تایید فدراسیون فوتبال نیست.اینگونه اخبار و اظهار نظرهای نادرست و غیر رسمی زمینه ساز فضای غبارآلودی کنونی در خصوص تیم ملی شده است.

سرپرست فدراسیون در پایان اظهار داشت: فدراسیون به صورت کاملا مستقل در خصوص شرایط تیم ملی و موضوعات مرتبط تا برگزاری رقابت های جام جهانی تصمیم گیری خواهد کرد و اجازه هیچ گونه مداخله ای را نخواهد داد. چارچوب تعامل دولت محترم و وزارت ورزش و جوانان نیز با رویکرد حمایتی تنها تقویت و حل مشکلات تیم ملی بوده و حتی سخنگوی دولت نیز بر همین موضوع تاکید داشتند که تنها فدراسیون فوتبال در حوزه موضوعات تیم ملی و کادر فنی تصمیم گیری می کند و هیچ مداخله ای در اینگونه مسائل تخصصی وجود ندارد. درخواست ما از همه دلسوزان و حامیان فوتبال ملی در این موقعیت حساس همگرایی و اتحاد در مسیر تقویت تیم ملی به منظور حضور موفقیت آمیز در جام جهانی است. بر این اساس از تک تک اعضای تیم ملی و خصوصا فرد فرد بازیکنان عزیز درخواست می کنم از هرگونه اظهار نظر و موضع گیری در خصوص اینگونه مسائل اکیدا خودداری کنند تا هر کس در جایگاه خودش به وظایفی که در مسیر موفقیت و آماده سازی تیم ملی دارد عمل کند.

[oracle]

i been thinking
since i waked up regarding this matter.

SARDAR AND MEHDI came out with this
plan to kick skocic out.
this is a plot and ramin rezaiyan
THE FOX is behind this as well.
this is good cop
bad cop
plot. or what they call it in iran
DAVA ZARGARI.

adios mr.skocic
YOU are the latest victim
of persians behind the scene
LETS KALEH PA THE COACH
plot.

[Farzadfarhangni]

I love how the FA and half the TM players are turning against Skocic, but somehow it's all the critics of Skocic (and supporters of CQ) on PFDC and elsewhere who are the problem Lol. Baba we don't have that much weight/clout. Just a bunch of super dedicated fans who like to discuss. What happened to your argument of "just support TM and the coach"? If half the players don't support the coach, do you see how your argument collapses?

"Love of anything - including a [team] - isn't expressed by blind obedience, uncritical devotion or mindless adoration.
Critique and dissent are indispensable to progress in any realm, and that's why it's so crucial those be defended."
--Glenn Greewald

You first have to ask yourself do you want a team where players decide to turn on the coach under any circumstances. I would hope your answer is that a player can quit and not play for the national team, but as long as he is in the team, should act like a soldier and not like a double agent. Secondly, you can ask yourself why would a player feel comfortable to do such a thing. And that is where fan's opinion and not being supportive of TM comes to play. If you go back and read my post, I predicted this very thing and why I begged everyone to support TM.

Lastly, there is a time and place for Critique and dissent. One does not critique and dissent when you are about to go to war, if you want to win the war. That is the time to unite and put your differences aside. Otherwise, half of your soldiers will believe in the cause and half won't.

[milad_b]

Our TM players are not a bunch of sheep that can be "poked" into anything. If that was the case, and they all had a hive mentality, wouldn't they ALL be against or for Skocic now? Of course not, because they aren't bots and can analyze the situation for themselves (and better than any of us). As you say, let's "support the team" and let them make their own conclusions about their situation.

Its the media and fan support for someone that gives them the power. Now imagine if that was the same scenario for CQ when he was in charge. I can bet you my mortgage that the exact same scenario would've happened for CQ. CQ had fans behind him and great support form the media like 90 Tv which had big influence on people.

When you belittle someone and poke players, this would be the exact result that we are getting right now.

[Ahmad_DC]

There is no way CQ will have anything to do with us unless he makes millions of dollars from it. TM is in deep shit now! I will be greatly impressed if he has such a strong connection to these players to go for it.

[Karimi 8]

The strongest feature of TM under Carlos was the unity amongst the squad. Who ever felt like they were above the team (Rahmati, Aghili, Khalatbari, etc) all got cut. His stern belief that the TM shirt is not owned by anyone, rather it is gifted and borrowed by a TM player is what allowed us to be united. This carried onto the field too, which is why everyone defended so well and we had a strong core.

If you watch the clips of Skocic, nobody is even listening to him when he talks. They just let him finish, and Ansarifard or Jahanbaksh comes and talks to the team. It is unclear who the coach even is, and there is no respect. Regardless, the players should've tried to keep this internal and speak amongst themselves / the federation. Posting on social media is so fucking stupid.

[diz]

You first have to ask yourself do you want a team where players decide to turn on the coach under any circumstances. I would hope your answer is that a player can quit and not play for the national team, but as long as he is in the team, should act like a soldier and not like a double agent. Secondly, you can ask yourself why would a player feel comfortable to do such a thing. And that is where fan's opinion and not being supportive of TM comes to play. If you go back and read my post, I predicted this very thing and why I begged everyone to support TM.
Lastly, there is a time and place for Critique and dissent. One does not critique and dissent when you are about to go to war, if you want to win the war. That is the time to unite and put your differences aside. Otherwise, half of your soldiers will believe in the cause and half won't.

Your analogies are very militaristic (soldiers, war, etc), so I'll answer in military terms.

It is ABSOLUTELY the duty of a soldier to refuse an order from a superior (ie coach) if they know it is wrong.

It is ABSOLUTELY the duty of a soldier to dissent if their leader (ie coach) is sending them into battle to simply die for no good reason (ie ill-prepared, poorly-trained, poorly-equipped, no plan of action).

We may like the fantasy of a iron-clad unified team, but that is simply not the case with individual, free-thinking humans. You either have a leader that the soldiers/team can rely on and will put their lives on the line for...or you don't. It's simple as that. CQ did that (and could do that again). Skocic just can't (I'm sure he's a nice guy and I would love to have a dough with him some time, but he just doesn't have the ability to inspire that in all our players).

[taremiscores]

Your analogies are very militaristic (soldiers, war, etc), so I'll answer in military terms.

It is ABSOLUTELY the duty of a soldier to refuse an order from a superior (ie coach) if they know it is wrong.

It is ABSOLUTELY the duty of a soldier to dissent if their leader (ie coach) is sending them into battle to simply die for no good reason (ie ill-prepared, poorly-trained, poorly-equipped, no plan of action).
We may like the fantasy of a iron-clad unified team, but that is simply not the case with individual, free-thinking humans. You either have a leader that the soldiers/team can rely on and will put their lives on the line for...or you don't. It's simple as that. CQ did that (and could do that again). Skocic just can't (I'm sure he's a nice guy and I would love to have a dough with him some time, but he just doesn't have the ability to inspire that in all our players).

Hello commander!

[Karimi 8]

Listen to his quotes in this video, he is the reason TM was united

[diz]

Hello commander!

I prefer Comandante! lol

[Farzadfarhangni]

Your analogies are very militaristic (soldiers, war, etc), so I'll answer in military terms.
It is ABSOLUTELY the duty of a soldier to refuse an order from a superior (ie coach) if they know it is wrong.
It is ABSOLUTELY the duty of a soldier to dissent if their leader (ie coach) is sending them into battle to simply die for no good reason (ie ill-prepared, poorly-trained, poorly-equipped, no plan of action).
We may like the fantasy of a iron-clad unified team, but that is simply not the case with individual, free-thinking humans. You either have a leader that the soldiers/team can rely on and will put their lives on the line for...or you don't. It's simple as that. CQ did that (and could do that again). Skocic just can't (I'm sure he's a nice guy and I would love to have a dough with him some time, but he just doesn't have the ability to inspire that in all our players).

Diz jan, Skocic was on shaky grounds before his first game in charge. He had no support and a contract that was apparently cancellable at will. (200K-300K per year) CQ had a 4 year 1.5-2 million a year contract. So to get rid of him, you had to buy him out of that. It is easy to get rid of Rahmati and Khalatbari, when you have a contract like that and you know that you are untouchable and can force your will on the team. Players have no choice but to fall in line. Skocic had none of that. If he did, Taremi was not playing for TM anymore. Of course, Taremi would have never picked a fight with Skocic if he knew that SKocic is here to stay.


You can't expect the leaders to instill discipline and earn respect if you don't give the leader the power and the tools that they need.


As for military examples, sorry about that. Lets stick with soccer. Do you believe that a player should take it upon himself to change the coach? Creating a split locker room? Maybe you do. I don't.

[Keshwardoost]

For a few minutes pfdc was down, i thought its done CQ is back lol

[Medzdidz]

For a few minutes pfdc was down, i thought its done CQ is back lol

IFF are going to go against everyone and bring back Wilmots, their thinking being that they are paying him anyway so might as well do it.

[diz]

Diz jan, Skocic was on shaky grounds before his first game in charge. He had no support and a contract that was apparently cancellable at will. (200K-300K per year) CQ had a 4 year 1.5-2 million a year contract. So to get rid of him, you had to buy him out of that. It is easy to get rid of Rahmati and Khalatbari, when you have a contract like that and you know that you are untouchable and can force your will on the team. Players have no choice but to fall in line. Skocic had none of that. If he did, Taremi was not playing for TM anymore. Of course, Taremi would have never picked a fight with Skocic if he knew that SKocic is here to stay.
You can't expect the leaders to instill discipline and earn respect if you don't give the leader the power and the tools that they need.
As for military examples, sorry about that. Lets stick with soccer. Do you believe that a player should take it upon himself to change the coach? Creating a split locker room? Maybe you do. I don't.

Farzad jaan, I think if a coach's contract is what determines player confidence/comradery/inspiration/etc, then we should have been a stellar team under Wilmots too (he had an Iron clad contract, and we owe him 3-6M for 6 months of work lol). Obviously, that was not the case. It's the COACH (not his contract) that determines if players will fall in line and if they will give their blood, sweat and tears. If Skocic inspired that in the team, they would be doing that RIGHT NOW, and we'd maybe get 4-6 points in the group stage and Skocic would be a hero even bigger than CQ. But do you honestly think we're headed in that direction (even before the social medial posts from today)? Is your gut telling you we'll be successful?

When we got the WC18 draw against Spain/Portugal/Morrocco, my heart dropped. I thought, oh god, we're in the group of death. Do you remember what CQ's first reaction was? He said how wonderful it was to be able to go up against quality teams, the best teams in the world, in this group. His first reaction was of instant inspiration and calming. He did that every day for our players, and if it wasn't for inches, we'd have made it out of the group that included Spain and Portugal!!!

Again, nothing against Skocic's character/integrity, but his response to the WC22 draw was: "I can beat England cause I'm Croatian". Did this inspire you, or did it make you laugh uncomfortably? Now put yourself in our players' shoes. This is what they feel every day as well.