DRAGAN SKOČIĆ MIGHT BE SACKED!

[DR Strangemoosh]

People talk about spamming when we bring up Orlando Pirates, Syria etc. Then they conveniently do the same by mentioning As Roma 7-1 or Algeria and South Korea. Both under terrible circumstances and already qualified.

Hypocrisy is endemic!

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What point are you making here?

Queiroz's win and draw against Orlando pirates that you keep mentioning again and again and again is as relevant as branko's 3-0 loss against QPR C team or Ivic's 7-1 loss against AS Roma.

i.e NONE of these are relevant. I don't judge Branko or ivic or cq on any of these test games

That's my point. Your constant repetition of "Orlando pirates" is just not relevant. Friendlies against club teams are often experimental, with whatever coach. In any case CQ's early 2013-2014 team had good results against the south African club sides, but again whether he won, drew or lost is INCONSEQUENTIAL.

Now are you going to say "Orlando Pirates" again for the hundredth time in your argument against CQ?

[armen]

ironically I think after his first 3 years, more and more ppl started appreciating him. And by the time he left, he was immensely popular. (idiotic officials aside).
But he didnt leave becoz ppl didnt appreciate him.
he left bcoz IFF didnt have any money to pay him and his crew's fees.

Not the same case as this

But IFF apparently did have the money, as immediately after letting Queiroz go, they basically turned around and agreed to a contract to pay Wilmots around €8 million, similar to what Queiroz was getting.

[O-ZoNe]

What point are you making here?

Queiroz's win and draw against Orlando pirates that you keep mentioning again and again and again is as relevant as branko's 3-0 loss against QPR C team or Ivic's 7-1 loss against AS Roma.

i.e NONE of these are relevant. I don't judge Branko or ivic or cq on any of these test games

That's my point. Your constant repetition of "Orlando pirates" is just not relevant. Friendlies against club teams are often experimental, with whatever coach. In any case CQ's early 2013-2014 team had good results against the south African club sides, but again whether he won, drew or lost is INCONSEQUENTIAL.

Now are you going to say "Orlando Pirates" again for the hundredth time in your argument against CQ?

Very simple. Why was Skocic sacked? Officially its claimed the last 2 results he achieved. It can't be his record or enormous contract. Certainly can't be his tactics only since he has had very little camps or prep time.

Most cite Algeria and SK. Sk was in Sk with an injury and half the lineup. Team already qualified. ALGERIA let's call it Z team...loss 2-1 in a last gasp Doha friendly. Many coaches have suffered worst defeats...including CQ. Yet Skocic is fired based on those 2 results...fans call for his head based on those two results. That's hypocritical. 2 losses...1 being a friendly. Can you imagine how many coaching changes should have happened around the world with this logic?

It's hypocritical to as fans praise coaches who lost bigger more critical games and to crucify another because of two meaningless poor results. Not you specifically but for the number of times I mention Orlando Pirates hundreds more mention Algeria C. Sorry folks Algeria Z is stronger than Orlando Pirates any day....as one comparison. We are praising one and crucifying another based on preference not results, not records, not acknowledging the contract payment, lack of prep time, lack of iff support. We are cresting divisions and feeding into the cycle loved by anti TM forces and greedy iff officials and media.

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[Mahsaa]

Ozone i get much of what you say but as i said many times before, "little coaches", "small names" dont get respected in iran, thats our culture, even players dont show enough respect.

Its all about having a bigger name, than you get respect, very easy.

And right now TM is somewhere that i dont see any future if Dragan stayed because it has become so far that players open their mouth, you should be that big as a coach that no player can open his mouth.

[Malkay]

Some mad men on this thread.

Performances against Spain and Portugal were not so impressive given the fact neither of those teams advanced beyond the round of 16? Are you mad? That's because it's knockout football. Spain lost to a home nation on penalties after completely dominating the game. Look at the possession, shots and xG stats The same happened to Portugal but to a lesser extent as Uruguay were more clinical with their chances in 90 minutes... they had Cavani and Suarez.

Skocic has prime Azmoun and Taremi and we play like we have in all of those qualifiers. It's embarrassing.

Spain's D team would look better than ours on paper and be favourites. Portugal were European Champions, won the Conference league the year after the WC and outside of having one of the greatest players that's ever played the game also had a full squad of players playing in top leagues who man for man were worth more than our players.

Our squad values at the 2018 World Cup according to Transfermarkt - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/worl...ettbewerb/WM18

Their squads were worth 10 TIMES what ours was!

Our most capped players were Hajisafi (94), Shojaei (74) and Ansarifard (64)
Portugal - RONALDO (150), Joao Moutinho (110), Bruno Alves (96), Pepe (95)
Spain - RAMOS (152), DAVID SILVA (121), INIESTA (127), BUSQUETS (103), PIQUE (98)

With that disparity in footballing ability and experience in mind, it's mad that we drew with Portugal (almost beat them at the end) and lost by 1 goal to Spain (failing to equalise by a few cms)... and people want to question the ability of those 2 teams given their progress in the rest of the tournament. Find another pro-Skocic narrative fellas.

[MR.ESTESNAII]

If you want to know how the country is ran just look at their football I mean what a mess what a dysfunctional unorganized garbage administration and players who have zero professionalism and are raised in this environment…one day coach is sacked he comes back they say no u still have it ..two players do what they want …prime minister makes his own decision…you would have thought Wilmots was the lesson…when you hire a coach who has zero background in a top club or a national team experience what makes you think he can perform in the World Cup …Carlos Quiroz is a legend and they should be a statue of him in asadi…he dealt with this morons for years and yelled and screamed and at the end they don’t like him because he is too professional and doesn’t understand that we have no Brains….this country gets sadder by the minute

[PSGman#19]

If you want to know how the country is ran just look at their football I mean what a mess what a dysfunctional unorganized garbage administration and players who have zero professionalism and are raised in this environment…one day coach is sacked he comes back they say no u still have it ..two players do what they want …prime minister makes his own decision…you would have thought Wilmots was the lesson…when you hire a coach who has zero background in a top club or a national team experience what makes you think he can perform in the World Cup …Carlos Quiroz is a legend and they should be a statue of him in asadi…he dealt with this morons for years and yelled and screamed and at the end they don’t like him because he is too professional and doesn’t understand that we have no Brains….this country gets sadder by the minute

What you describe is a typical third world country.

[O-ZoNe]

Ozone i get much of what you say but as i said many times before, "little coaches", "small names" dont get respected in iran, thats our culture, even players dont show enough respect.

Its all about having a bigger name, than you get respect, very easy.

And right now TM is somewhere that i dont see any future if Dragan stayed because it has become so far that players open their mouth, you should be that big as a coach that no player can open his mouth.

That's unfortunate...and I agree. But it's also "little coaches" that often have a lot to prove in WC and make history.

Blazevic had won nothing before Croatia 98 3rd place. Aime Jaquet won it in 98 in France. Before that he only coached in France and didn't win anything. His win percentage at club level was often below 40%. Delic in Croatia finished second in 2018 WC. Before that coach on Persian Gulf teams. No real success prior. WEAKER resume than Skocic by far! Remember Pinto he topped a group with Italy, England, Uruguay with Costa Rica. Before that he largely coached S. AMERICAN and Central American club teams with a mediocre record. Who can forget Solari in 94. Took Saudi to second round. His coaching resume including teams in Japan and smaller clubs in the Americas. No NT experience at all before Saudi. He had won at the Peruvian local club level only.

These are just top of my head. There are so many other examples of "little coaches" who do well in WC. Lots to prove.

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[PSGman#19]

Ozone i get much of what you say but as i said many times before, "little coaches", "small names" dont get respected in iran, thats our culture, even players dont show enough respect.

Its all about having a bigger name, than you get respect, very easy.

And right now TM is somewhere that i dont see any future if Dragan stayed because it has become so far that players open their mouth, you should be that big as a coach that no player can open his mouth.

Football culture in Iran is quite low. People (from fans to journalists) go crazy with 2-3 bad performance in meaningless friendlies whether it is cq, skocic or guardiola at helm

[O-ZoNe]

Football culture in Iran is quite low. People (from fans to journalists) go crazy with 2-3 bad performance in meaningless friendlies whether it is cq, skocic or guardiola at helm

We are very reactionary. I again suggest folks read comments about CQ during S.Africa camp. It mirrors the witch hunt Skocic endured. Don't forget the Keyroshipour fiasco. It's shameful. We all want wins without recognizing it requires time, patience, growing pains, and dedication from all involved including fans and media.

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[DR Strangemoosh]

Some mad men on this thread.

Performances against Spain and Portugal were not so impressive given the fact neither of those teams advanced beyond the round of 16? Are you mad? That's because it's knockout football. Spain lost to a home nation on penalties after completely dominating the game. Look at the possession, shots and xG stats The same happened to Portugal but to a lesser extent as Uruguay were more clinical with their chances in 90 minutes... they had Cavani and Suarez.

Skocic has prime Azmoun and Taremi and we play like we have in all of those qualifiers. It's embarrassing.

Spain's D team would look better than ours on paper and be favourites. Portugal were European Champions, won the Conference league the year after the WC and outside of having one of the greatest players that's ever played the game also had a full squad of players playing in top leagues who man for man were worth more than our players.

Our squad values at the 2018 World Cup according to Transfermarkt - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/worl...ettbewerb/WM18

Their squads were worth 10 TIMES what ours was!

Our most capped players were Hajisafi (94), Shojaei (74) and Ansarifard (64)
Portugal - RONALDO (150), Joao Moutinho (110), Bruno Alves (96), Pepe (95)
Spain - RAMOS (152), DAVID SILVA (121), INIESTA (127), BUSQUETS (103), PIQUE (98)

With that disparity in footballing ability and experience in mind, it's mad that we drew with Portugal (almost beat them at the end) and lost by 1 goal to Spain (failing to equalise by a few cms)... and people want to question the ability of those 2 teams given their progress in the rest of the tournament. Find another pro-Skocic narrative fellas.

100 percent

I always say the main issue is realism, let alone pragmatism.

Doctor Doom says he appreciated Queiroz but I remember the posts from CQ taking over the diseased soil and making it fertile again. They weren't particularly appreciative... Even towards the end, many of his criticisms were just not borne out of reality.

That's what it boils down to for me personally. It's the same kind of stance of Doctor Doom saying two months ago that Iran has no less talent in its squad than Senegal

Iran: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/iran...te/verein/3582

Senegal:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sene...te/verein/3499

I mean...

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[tooleh khers]

The main issue is hypocrisy. We are too good and have Asia's best players when we lose with other coaches. However, we are weak and garbage when it comes to CQ. I have said this a few times and it is repeated and displayed by the CQ crowd over and over again: For CQ to be good Iran has to be piss poor and its opponents giants in such a way that a small loss is a miracle. So uninformed or willfully ignorant to completely over look our football history and even the game of football. If we are losers before we play why even play? If a player on our national team has this mentality that he is worth 500k and his counterpart in Spain is worth 30 million so he is that much better he might as well not play soccer or even sports for that matter. The mentality has to be "I am better than him and I will prove it against him".


Over and over again we will hear we are Iran we have to be real and they are this...Never mind that we tied a packed Scotland team at the beginning of our football. NVM that we tied Argentina before, beat Brazil in the Olympics, have a history of playing strong teams and not getting shishtayid or even embarrassed like we don't belong on the same field. Our most embarrassing performances actually are those performances everybody hails as achievements. The CQ crowd and the anti CQ crowd we are not the same.

[Benjaminnn]

What a great news! It is too late but we still have a slim chance. Who is going to be our new manager? I hope they go after someone like CQ not necessarily ultra defensive but someone who can organize our defense well and fill up the huge gaps.

[Iranianarsenal11]

Some mad men on this thread.

Performances against Spain and Portugal were not so impressive given the fact neither of those teams advanced beyond the round of 16? Are you mad? That's because it's knockout football. Spain lost to a home nation on penalties after completely dominating the game. Look at the possession, shots and xG stats The same happened to Portugal but to a lesser extent as Uruguay were more clinical with their chances in 90 minutes... they had Cavani and Suarez.

Skocic has prime Azmoun and Taremi and we play like we have in all of those qualifiers. It's embarrassing.

Spain's D team would look better than ours on paper and be favourites. Portugal were European Champions, won the Conference league the year after the WC and outside of having one of the greatest players that's ever played the game also had a full squad of players playing in top leagues who man for man were worth more than our players.

Our squad values at the 2018 World Cup according to Transfermarkt - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/worl...ettbewerb/WM18

Their squads were worth 10 TIMES what ours was!

Our most capped players were Hajisafi (94), Shojaei (74) and Ansarifard (64)
Portugal - RONALDO (150), Joao Moutinho (110), Bruno Alves (96), Pepe (95)
Spain - RAMOS (152), DAVID SILVA (121), INIESTA (127), BUSQUETS (103), PIQUE (98)

With that disparity in footballing ability and experience in mind, it's mad that we drew with Portugal (almost beat them at the end) and lost by 1 goal to Spain (failing to equalise by a few cms)... and people want to question the ability of those 2 teams given their progress in the rest of the tournament. Find another pro-Skocic narrative fellas.

This needs to be pinned for some of the anti-CQ members to not only read, but to diffuse into their brains

[DR Strangemoosh]

This needs to be pinned for some of the anti-CQ members to not only read, but to diffuse into their brains

Is this possible?

The main issue is hypocrisy.

Absolutely.