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    Originally posted by ben.walken View Post
    Good riddance! He should have been announced only as a transitional coach and let go as soon as we qualified last March. However, I don’t agree with how it was done, and it clearly demonstrates the lack of management and experience in this federation.
    What makes a good coach is not just result. Even though we did quite well against 2nd and 3rd tier Middle Eastern teams, but those wins were not because of a tactical mastermind rather we had much better players than our opponents in every position. What makes a good coach next to tactical awareness is leadership, and that is where Sokocic had failed and lost control of (or couldn’t achieve given his not so impressive resume). Leadership and the respect of your players are the attributes that makes managers such as Arsène Wenger as an example formidable, his presence on the bench was an insurance policy that the team is well managed, united and scandal free. That’s what Carlos Queiroz was for TM! You might not like his gameplan, but his management and control of the team was flawless.
    Here is the concern though: TM will need to have a strong name that the players respect as a manager, however there is not enough time to explore foreign options specially with IFF’s administrative incompetence and the not so many friendlies for the new coach to explore. CQ is probably the best foreign option, but I personally don’t believe that he will be in helm. Which leaves us with Vatani coaches, and sadly the most likely scenario….
    Very well said! I definitely believe in everything he did. We are not Germany or England where we can play open play attacking football! Giving our quality players and strong points, the way we played in the last 2 world cups was the best possible way. Had we played any other way, the results would had been really bad. We got unlucky BUT we played with heart and players played as a team because we had an amazing manager named Carlos Queiroz! A true leader!
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      Originally posted by Superparsi View Post
      Very well said! I definitely believe in everything he did. We are not Germany or England where we can play open play attacking football! Giving our quality players and strong points, the way we played in the last 2 world cups was the best possible way. Had we played any other way, the results would had been really bad. We got unlucky BUT we played with heart and players played as a team because we had an amazing manager named Carlos Queiroz! A true leader!
      I think the vast majority of fans (without agenda) agree which is why he remains the best option as these are all his players.

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        Originally posted by PSGman#19 View Post
        lol, what india, a country that barely play football is doing there. why not also taking a Sunday league team vs real madrid example.
        About the list of players supporting sko, I agree some should be sent to the trash bin. But let's forget the pro sko change with hajsafi 90% of pfdc hate or abedzadeh, responsible of SK loss and weak Algeria game
        As it is unlikely we get cq, i doubt an Iranian coach will do better
        Lol exactly so sounds like you see the flaw in your “anything is possible in football” claim - nothing more to add
        Originally posted by O-ZoNe View Post
        GA Jan with all do respect and CQ aside can you explain to me where your ounce of faith in Nekounam or potentially any other vatani coach comes from? What achievements or experience at the international or club coaching level are you referencing?
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        My faith in nekounam comes from 2 things specifically:

        1. He knows how to implement a defensive tactic that will be needed when playing against superior competition. Our players cannot go 1v1 with Kane or sterling or even pulisic or reyna. With Sko we were guaranteed to play open in front of those guys who would have had a field day with noorafkan, sadegh and shoja. Nekounam will not allow that…..he will demand his midfielders help out defensively and not leave open holes in the final third we saw a ton of with Skocic.

        2. Javad was the brains of TM in crucial matches at the WC and is able to at least use his experience on the pitch for TM to teach his players the dos and donts. Knowing the pressure that comes with what these players are facing and how to overcome it is a huge add…..Skocic knows nothing about that.
        Originally posted by milad_b View Post
        Skocic was doing fine until all this nonsense started by our media and fans. When you belittle your national team melli coach don't expect the players and fans to respect him. Taremi already had problems with skocic and he took this chance to get rid of him. It was the biggest mistake ever. The tactics wasn't top level but we did play okay football. Remember its not just skocic , its vahid hashemian too.
        I'll save this post and hopefully you don't regret this in 5 months time.
        That’s your opinion which I respect…..but the overwhelming majority of TM fans & the players themselves saw it very differently. Hopefully it won’t come to that but as you said we will find out later in the year.
        Last edited by Ghermez Agha; 07-11-2022, 12:47 PM.
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          Originally posted by Ghermez Agha View Post
          Lol exactly so sounds like you see the flaw in your “anything is possible in football” claim - nothing more at add




          My faith in nekounam comes from 2 things specifically:

          1. He knows how to implement a defensive tactic that will be needed when playing against superior competition. Our players cannot go 1v1 with Kane or sterling or even pulisic or reyna. With Sko we were guaranteed to play open in front of those guys who would have had a field day with noorafkan, sadegh and shoja. Nekounam will not allow that…..he will demand his midfielders help out defensively and not leave open holes in the final third we saw a ton of with Skocic.

          2. Javad was the brains of TM in crucial matches at the WC and is able to at least use his experience on the pitch for TM to teach his players the dos and donts. Knowing the pressure that comes with what these players are facing and how to overcome it is a huge add…..Skocic knows nothing about that.



          That’s your opinion which I respect…..but the overwhelming majority of TM fans & the players themselves saw it very differently. Hopefully it won’t come to that but as you said we will find out later in the year.
          100% - Nekounam has shown his pragmatism

          It's difficult to take over with four months to go but out of all the vatani coaches he is the one who has the style most likely to get points in this WC.

          I just don't know how strong a personality he is to deal with various factions and unite the squad, this is why having someone like CQ as an advisor would be amazing

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            Originally posted by Ghermez Agha View Post
            Lol exactly so sounds like you see the flaw in your “anything is possible in football” claim - nothing more at add




            My faith in nekounam comes from 2 things specifically:

            1. He knows how to implement a defensive tactic that will be needed when playing against superior competition. Our players cannot go 1v1 with Kane or sterling or even pulisic or reyna. With Sko we were guaranteed to play open in front of those guys who would have had a field day with noorafkan, sadegh and shoja. Nekounam will not allow that…..he will demand his midfielders help out defensively and not leave open holes in the final third we saw a ton of with Skocic.

            2. Javad was the brains of TM in crucial matches at the WC and is able to at least use his experience on the pitch for TM to teach his players the dos and donts. Knowing the pressure that comes with what these players are facing and how to overcome it is a huge add…..Skocic knows nothing about that.



            That’s your opinion which I respect…..but the overwhelming majority of TM fans & the players themselves saw it very differently. Hopefully it won’t come to that but as you said we will find out later in the year.
            I think you are mixing coaching, tactics, and playing in a blender. A good coach needs to read the atmosphere his opponents, his players and implement strategies to fit the match circumstances. Going in being defensive minded is a recipe for last minute disappointment as even the pitch conditions can destroy the best laid plans.

            I'm not saying Skocic is better than Javad but I am concerned the sample size Javad has is far too small for international level. If we go prepackaged game plan then expect similar results to 2014 and 2018. A day late and a dollar short. We need more adaptability and Skocic showed that in most of his matches his team's second half performances were far better than first half. I just don't know Javad can do that in such short notice with so little experience. Albeit if we go Iranian coach I see him as the best option of a poor lot of choices.

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              I think one can be OK with his replacement (hopefully with a better coach like QC) without being disrespectful/unappreciative and using terms like "good riddance" etc. We can thank him for what he has done with every ounce of coaching ability he had (even if his ceiling was limited on that front).

              As a people, we can be very reactive and unappreciative at times with our words; it was not too long ago, all of us collectively were near heart-attack stress levels because TM had dug such a big hole that we were sweating not even getting out of the pre-final group stage. Skocic got us past that and then led us to a easy qualification. And yes, our players' qualities are superior to not qualify easily against the likes of UAE, Lebanon, Iraq, but I am old enough to remember many past qualification campaigns where we did not qualify against the likes of these same teams, to now take an easy qualification for granted.

              Again, if the news is true, thanks very much to him for all he did for this team and all of us fans to even be in a spot now to be able to face Englad, US, and Wales. It's OK to want a better coach for our TM, but not OK to be disrespectful and unappreciative.

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                Originally posted by _Navid_ View Post
                This is a decision that will be regretted for years to come. Just like when Ivic was sacked after a 7-1 loss in a meaningless friendly match. But we are a nation of historical ungratefulness most evident in 1979.
                Hope you all enjoy a world cup with Nekunam or Ghalemorghi or someother shity Iranian coach in charge!
                This. I think this is a dangerous game to play, if we brought back CQ maybe I'd feel better, but after seeing our top two candidates announced we're likely going to get slaughtered all the same LMAO what a joke of a federation.

                Don't celebrate his departure, just say your thanks, he got us out of an all but certain disqualification. Had Wilmots coached one more game we'd be watching some other team in our place.

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                  Originally posted by ben.walken View Post
                  Good riddance! He should have been announced only as a transitional coach and let go as soon as we qualified last March. However, I don’t agree with how it was done, and it clearly demonstrates the lack of management and experience in this federation.
                  What makes a good coach is not just result. Even though we did quite well against 2nd and 3rd tier Middle Eastern teams, but those wins were not because of a tactical mastermind rather we had much better players than our opponents in every position. What makes a good coach next to tactical awareness is leadership, and that is where Sokocic had failed and lost control of (or couldn’t achieve given his not so impressive resume). Leadership and the respect of your players are the attributes that makes managers such as Arsène Wenger as an example formidable, his presence on the bench was an insurance policy that the team is well managed, united and scandal free. That’s what Carlos Queiroz was for TM! You might not like his gameplan, but his management and control of the team was flawless.
                  Here is the concern though: TM will need to have a strong name that the players respect as a manager, however there is not enough time to explore foreign options specially with IFF’s administrative incompetence and the not so many friendlies for the new coach to explore. CQ is probably the best foreign option, but I personally don’t believe that he will be in helm. Which leaves us with Vatani coaches, and sadly the most likely scenario….
                  Well said ...

                  It all goes back to a dysfunctional federation who has put us in this situation. IFF has no authority, no control, no decision making power and no execution capacity. Decisions are dragged for so long to create a situation as bad as one that is haunting us today.

                  I agree with your coaching analysis. I guess if there is any logic left at IFF, CQ would be the only one who can pull this out at the moment. He is available and I think given the right approach he will be happy to take over. None of the Vatani coaches have the strong mind set to be leading Iran's bench at the highest level as World Cup.
                  I hope they make the right choice!

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                    We are our worst enemy!!! Throw out a coach with VERY good results, without having a viable option lined up!! In what universe do you throw out Skocic and think that the unexperienced Neku will be better? In what universe do you throw out a known quantity, albeit with some issues, in the hope of something better behind door#2 (credit to FFarhangi)? I hope they had worked out something with CQ, otherwise I can guarantee that no other coach will be able to do any better in the remaining few months.

                    Shades of our glorious revolution back 40 years ago!!

                    p.s. Now expect a feeding frenzy amongst IFF officials, dallals and vatani coaches to see who gets to cash in on the success of Skocic.
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                      Originally posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
                      I think the vast majority of fans (without agenda) agree which is why he remains the best option as these are all his players.
                      Really?! which one? which one is "his player"?! your nonsense has no bounds. You can give CQ Christiano Ronaldo, heck you can give him Real Madrid, he will never be a good coach. He has lost everywhere at the senior level. Everywhere!

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                        Originally posted by tooleh khers View Post
                        Really?! which one? which one is "his player"?! your nonsense has no bounds. You can give CQ Christiano Ronaldo, heck you can give him Real Madrid, he will never be a good coach. He has lost everywhere at the senior level. Everywhere!
                        CQ is not a bad coach. He just maximized his talents with us and I'm not sure he can offer more after 8 years. He is also not without hashieh. Afterall he created divisions when coaching Portugal that to this day he has beef with Ronaldo. He isn't a Saint or savior. A good coach yes. The right one for TM at this time...no. 8 years is more than most international coaches get and he hasn't been able to replicate that tenure anywhere else.

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                          Originally posted by tooleh khers View Post
                          Really?! which one? which one is "his player"?! your nonsense has no bounds. You can give CQ Christiano Ronaldo, heck you can give him Real Madrid, he will never be a good coach. He has lost everywhere at the senior level. Everywhere!
                          I think someone who has no concept of facts, statistics or indeed reality has no real authority here. Apologies to you TK, take care.

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                            People who have always been centrepiece amongst the hardcore anti-CQ cult on this site. Say it with your chest. The number of your posts against Queiroz...

                            http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ne#post2551123

                            az mast keh bar mast I guess....

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                              Originally posted by O-ZoNe View Post
                              I think you are mixing coaching, tactics, and playing in a blender. A good coach needs to read the atmosphere his opponents, his players and implement strategies to fit the match circumstances. Going in being defensive minded is a recipe for last minute disappointment as even the pitch conditions can destroy the best laid plans.

                              I'm not saying Skocic is better than Javad but I am concerned the sample size Javad has is far too small for international level. If we go prepackaged game plan then expect similar results to 2014 and 2018. A day late and a dollar short. We need more adaptability and Skocic showed that in most of his matches his team's second half performances were far better than first half. I just don't know Javad can do that in such short notice with so little experience. Albeit if we go Iranian coach I see him as the best option of a poor lot of choices.

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                              Fair enough, I tip my hat to you sir - one of your best posts ever imo

                              Don’t have anything to debate with you in what you said other than going in defensive minded is a recipe for disappointment. I think it’s naive especially for a guy like you who follows football closely to not acknowledge the fact that a defensive plan is a must for games like England and USA where the quality of their midfield and forward lines will destroy our CB’s and fullbacks on a 1v1 basis…..sorry but that’s simply just not debatable.

                              Agree on the small sample size but here’s what I will say about javad that I didn’t mention earlier. To me, we are up against 3 teams that player for player are better than us. I think Taremi and azmoun are better than anyone USA or wales has but after that there’s no question player for player, all 3 teams are superior. Javad has the experience and has shown good results in going into a tournament and out coaching Xavi in some occasions and tied with semi finalists Al nasr once and narrowly lost to them 2-1….point is he either got results or was in a tight contest with teams far superior to his which is, in my humble opinion, exactly what we need from an experience perspective from someone who is taking over TM. Both CQ and Javad have my full trust in that department.
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                                Originally posted by tooleh khers View Post
                                Really?! which one? which one is "his player"?! your nonsense has no bounds. You can give CQ Christiano Ronaldo, heck you can give him Real Madrid, he will never be a good coach. He has lost everywhere at the senior level. Everywhere!
                                Stop posting fake stats and fake facts from your "irperspolis" instagram account and then we can start talking.

                                Until then, troll away 😉😉😉

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