Let's have discipline and respect in TM to have better chance

[Surenas]

The shit show that was organized around Skocic is the best proof of what is going wrong in our national team. Our problem is not Dragan Skocic, whether he is qualified for the job or not does not matter much, we Iranians have questionable ideas about how we supposedly achieve success.

1. My point is not to evaluate Skocic or say he is a good or bad coach, he is at least an average European coach compared to our current capabilities, it's nothing really problematic, who is more systematic in his basic UEFA education than the majority of Iranian Dalals.

2. Since day 1, there has been usurpation against Skocic, which has weakened his standing externally, regardless of his abilities, and this has an internal impact. He has rarely been judged by his standing in public in fact, he has been criticized for his appearance: He is fat, Chelo Kabab hehehe, he is not good looking yada yada yada, all this also affects the team.

3. This team is a joke and all these wannabe "stars" name: "Man kheyli Mardam" Sardar, "man kheyli mohem hastam" Taremi, "look at my straight cut beard" Jahanbakhsh as well as Big Mac Ghoddos. All these jokes would not dare to do anything for a second in their clubs. Who is Taremi to sit there with Ferdosipour and criticize the selection of players for the national team? These people are unprofessional and show what Iranian players lack, discipline and respect for fellow human beings and forming a collective. Instead, Taremi not only attacks the coaching team, but says many players who are nominated don't have the class. No seasoned player in Germany, Italy or England would ever say such a thing in public or to the coach, he would be out. In Germany, you had joke coaches like Erich Ribbeck or Berti Vogts, the players never said anything within the team, that's professionalism.

4. Skocic is only a shadow, he has been so degraded and humiliated that he has no standing at all, thanks to the Iranian media, the public, the federation and our "stars".

5. By the way, the Hungarian coach Rossi "a Hungarian Vatani coach" with no experience beat England 4-0, the Hungarian team has countless players who have international class, yet they are behind Rossi, no one ever criticized him for coaching only unimportant teams. His statistics aren't exactly dazzling either, yet it works.

Conclusion: We have a lousy mentality of players who take themselves too seriously, who put themselves above the team, and who are supported in this mentality by us Iranians, thus making it impossible for us to succeed. Even if you see Skocic as a joke - which is from a human perspective sad - you have no right as player to act like that and destroy the collective.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

The shit show that was organized around Skocic is the best proof of what is going wrong in our national team. Our problem is not Dragan Skocic, whether he is qualified for the job or not does not matter much, we Iranians have questionable ideas about how we supposedly achieve success.
1. My point is not to evaluate Skocic or say he is a good or bad coach, he is at least an average European coach compared to our current capabilities, it's nothing really problematic, who is more systematic in his basic UEFA education than the majority of Iranian Dalals.
2. Since day 1, there has been usurpation against Skocic, which has weakened his standing externally, regardless of his abilities, and this has an internal impact. He has rarely been judged by his standing in public in fact, he has been criticized for his appearance: He is fat, Chelo Kabab hehehe, he is not good looking yada yada yada, all this also affects the team.
3. This team is a joke and all these wannabe "stars" name: "Man kheyli Mardam" Sardar, "man kheyli mohem hastam" Taremi, "look at my straight cut beard" Jahanbakhsh as well as Big Mac Ghoddos. All these jokes would not dare to do anything for a second in their clubs. Who is Taremi to sit there with Ferdosipour and criticize the selection of players for the national team? These people are unprofessional and show what Iranian players lack, discipline and respect for fellow human beings and forming a collective. Instead, Taremi not only attacks the coaching team, but says many players who are nominated don't have the class. No seasoned player in Germany, Italy or England would ever say such a thing in public or to the coach, he would be out. In Germany, you had joke coaches like Erich Ribbeck or Berti Vogts, the players never said anything within the team, that's professionalism.
4. Skocic is only a shadow, he has been so degraded and humiliated that he has no standing at all, thanks to the Iranian media, the public, the federation and our "stars".
5. By the way, the Hungarian coach Rossi "a Hungarian Vatani coach" with no experience beat England 4-0, the Hungarian team has countless players who have international class, yet they are behind Rossi, no one ever criticized him for coaching only unimportant teams. His statistics aren't exactly dazzling either, yet it works.
Conclusion: We have a lousy mentality of players who take themselves too seriously, who put themselves above the team, and who are supported in this mentality by us Iranians, thus making it impossible for us to succeed. Even if you see Skocic as a joke - which is from a human perspective sad - you have no right as player to act like that and destroy the collective.

Great post! thank you. Please reword your title to make it a bit more positive. Like Let's have discipline and respect in TM to have better chance, or something like that. That would have a better effect.

[Karimi 8]

The damage has already been done, this is so embarrassing.

The IFF failed to ever be clear and gather any support for the team. At every stage of the qualification, they never made it clear if Skocic would remain the coach or not, which continuously eroded trust between the players and the fans. The whole social media campaign made it clear (which I had seen in the TM camp videos) that the players don't respect the coach. Every time he would be talking nobody would be listening, and then Karim or Alireza would come and talk and they would listen.

It was never clear who was leading the team. The social media campaign added fuel to the fire, and the solution the IFF chose was to fire him and bring him back 6 days later. We keep making our situation worse and worse. Meanwhile all we have done in preparation so far is play and lose a friendly match against Algeria's B team.

This is literally so upsetting that all you can do is laugh at this point, because otherwise you'd have to cry . I have my whole life always been optimistic about Team Melli and had belief in them, but there is just no way that this team can be successful. It is divided at every section and there is no support.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

The damage has already been done, this is so embarrassing.

The IFF failed to ever be clear and gather any support for the team. At every stage of the qualification, they never made it clear if Skocic would remain the coach or not, which continuously eroded trust between the players and the fans. The whole social media campaign made it clear (which I had seen in the TM camp videos) that the players don't respect the coach. Every time he would be talking nobody would be listening, and then Karim or Alireza would come and talk and they would listen.

It was never clear who was leading the team. The social media campaign added fuel to the fire, and the solution the IFF chose was to fire him and bring him back 6 days later. We keep making our situation worse and worse. Meanwhile all we have done in preparation so far is play and lose a friendly match against Algeria's B team.

This is literally so upsetting that all you can do is laugh at this point, because otherwise you'd have to cry . I have my whole life always been optimistic about Team Melli and had belief in them, but there is just no way that this team can be successful. It is divided at every section and there is no support.

Some damage is done but nothing that TM cannot recover from. If we remain positive and support TM and never talk negatively or question the coaching team and doubt their ability and let them concentrate on their task. It can become as good as it could have ever been. Let's just be positive.

[perspolis#1]

. If we remain positive and support TM and never talk negatively or question the coaching team and doubt their ability and let them concentrate on their task. .

I dont think the solution is that black and white, fans in every team in every sport on Earth reserve the right to question coaching decisions.

[Surenas]

I dont think the solution is that black and white, fans in every team in every sport on Earth reserve the right to question coaching decisions.

We do, but the players shouldn't do that in public.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

I dont think the solution is that black and white, fans in every team in every sport on Earth reserve the right to question coaching decisions.

Fans are important. They are actually the 12th man. So if their support isn't there it could do a lot of damage.

[perspolis#1]

We do, but the players shouldn't do that in public.

No they should not.

Fans, however, maybe owe coaches grace periods when they are starting and every fan is allowed to have their own opinions once they see how performances go, no matter how right/wrong they may be.

[perspolis#1]

Fans are important. They are actually the 12th man. So if their support isn't there it could do a lot of damage.

Fans are important yes, but they are not required to be blind loyalists as though that will make a difference in performance. Fan support for Gareth Southgate by the English, Berhalter by Americans, or Deschamps for France has no indication on how they'll do in a tournament.

Discussion implies potential disagreement so if our plan is to not allow any criticism or disagreement, then this forum would just be people echoing agreement to every coaching decision.

[inarsenewetrust]

Lets just admit some people have their feelings hurt. Sorry that the coach isnt at the level of a world cup, sorry that multiple players are on record saying the training is crap, sorry that even the players that support keeping him inadvertently shit on him by admitting he is tactically clueless. They should all stay quiet and disciplined until AFTER wc, when there is no recourse or potential to change the impending results, after everybody is crying and saying how garbage we are, to speak out and say how fucked up the situation was. Thats the noble thing to do lol.

The truth eventually has to come out. Players like Taremi suffered too much and came too far to in the pinnacle of their career to be stuck with this shitshow of federation and coach.

In the end as he says we will lose all the games, then the same people here will blame him and azmoun (always the best players get blamed, never the no name losers like nourollahi, noorafkan, etc or their guardian angel sko) even though they are the only reason we are going to the world cup this time. If you don't believe me, rewatch the qualifiers!

If I was Taremi I would consider like other star players in shitty national teams have done, tell the federation that unless major changes in planning, standards are enacted that he will be taking leave from national team. See how far the team gets without him.

[Leicester City]

Lets just admit some people have their feelings hurt. Sorry that the coach isnt at the level of a world cup, sorry that multiple players are on record saying the training is crap, sorry that even the players that support keeping him inadvertently shit on him by admitting he is tactically clueless.

The truth eventually has to come out. Players like Taremi suffered too much and came too far to in the pinnacle of their career to be stuck with this shitshow of federation and coach.

In the end as he says we will lose all the games, then the same people here will blame him and azmoun (always the best players get blamed, never the no name losers like nourollahi, noorafkan, etc or their guardian angel sko) even though they are the only reason we are going to the world cup this time. If you don't believe me, rewatch the qualifiers!

If I was Taremi I would consider like other star players in shitty national teams have done, tell the federation that unless major changes in planning, standards are enacted that he will be taking leave from national team. See how far the team gets without him.

It's not just Taremi, over half the team shares the same views as he does more or less regarding Sgoh.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Fans are important yes, but they are not required to be blind loyalists as though that will make a difference in performance. Fan support for Gareth Southgate by the English, Berhalter by Americans, or Deschamps for France has no indication on how they'll do in a tournament.

Discussion implies potential disagreement so if our plan is to not allow any criticism or disagreement, then this forum would just be people echoing agreement to every coaching decision.

Fair point but let's not have a lopsided situation like we did until now that basically it was me and Ozone and a few others calling for status que and let TM be calm, united and focused against literally everyone else attacking TM and Skocic and spamming the forum with millions of negative threads.

[mehdi13]

It's not just Taremi, over half the team shares the same views as he does more or less regarding Sgoh.

They are trying to put all the blame on Taremi again. Its Taremi vs TM again…

[O-ZoNe]

Lets just admit some people have their feelings hurt. Sorry that the coach isnt at the level of a world cup, sorry that multiple players are on record saying the training is crap, sorry that even the players that support keeping him inadvertently shit on him by admitting he is tactically clueless. They should all stay quiet and disciplined until AFTER wc, when there is no recourse or potential to change the impending results, after everybody is crying and saying how garbage we are, to speak out and say how fucked up the situation was. Thats the noble thing to do lol.

The truth eventually has to come out. Players like Taremi suffered too much and came too far to in the pinnacle of their career to be stuck with this shitshow of federation and coach.

In the end as he says we will lose all the games, then the same people here will blame him and azmoun (always the best players get blamed, never the no name losers like nourollahi, noorafkan, etc or their guardian angel sko) even though they are the only reason we are going to the world cup this time. If you don't believe me, rewatch the qualifiers!

If I was Taremi I would consider like other star players in shitty national teams have done, tell the federation that unless major changes in planning, standards are enacted that he will be taking leave from national team. See how far the team gets without him.

I dare you to go to your employer. Tell them they are shit and make demands. Or if you are the boss, sit there in a meeting and allow an employee to belittle you and call you every name in the book infront of your peers. Tell me how that works out in the end?

Comon man. Skocic isn't Klopp or Mourino but he certainly has earned the chance to implement his plan. If every nation fired a coach after 2 losses every WC team would be in our boat. Just look at some of the nation's league results. We are being very unfair to this guy. In fact if we extended even 1/100 the courtesy we extend to other coaches it would make a world of difference. We have had worse losses in the last few years and yet here we are asking for Skocic to be sacked 4 months before WC. Who on earth would accept a position when a friendly loss and an away matchh during covid could cost him his job? I doubt you would work or take a job with such uncertainty. 2 mistakes and you are out. You will be criticized and belittled even though your track record is one of the best in the entire continent.

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[inarsenewetrust]

I dare you to go to your employer. Tell them they are shit and make demands. Or if you are the boss, sit there in a meeting and allow an employee to belittle you and call you every name in the book infront of your peers. Tell me how that works out in the end?
Comon man. Skocic isn't Klopp or Mourino but he certainly has earned the chance to implement his plan. If every nation fired a coach after 2 losses every WC team would be in our boat. Just look at some of the nation's league results. We are being very unfair to this guy. In fact if we extended even 1/100 the courtesy we extend to other coaches it would make a world of difference. We have had worse losses in the last few years and yet here we are asking for Skocic to be sacked 4 months before WC. Who on earth would accept a position when a friendly loss and an away matchh during covid could cost him his job? I doubt you would work or take a job with such uncertainty. 2 mistakes and you are out. You will be criticized and belittled even though your track record is one of the best in the entire continent.
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You want to play analogy game. Fine.

Taremi is like a star consultant that is busy touring the world and dealing with the biggest hitters on international scene on weekly basis. He brings joy and pride to the people of his country with his performances in these foreign companies.

IFF and TM, a shitty, iranian-run, joke of an entity has "hired" this individual to help their company not for any special salary, benefits, etc but instead by appealing to his sense of nationalism and helping his country. He is under no obligation to do such a thing, and already has done his job in this sense for his country by sacrificing critical years of his career for mandatory military service that many others have escaped from doing or complained day and night about.

Upon entering the company from abroad, this highly trained, qualified, resume-backed individual says there are a lot of fucked up things (working conditions, lower level management, etc) that will prevent the success of this Iranian company on international scene. Over half of the people in the company, all with additional training and qualifications from abroad agree with him. He relays some of these concerns to the supposed head of this company. He continues working in the meantime and obtains additional positive results for this company. He mentions problems again to them. They do nothing.

If this employer turns around and tells this star employee "hey shut up! We didnt ask for your input on how we are running things!" Who looks like a fool in this situation?

If a person with such a resume stays silent they are damaging their own credibility and reputation. It is their professional responsibility to be honest and speak out about the working conditions and lower level management in this company that are preventing ultimate success.