TAREMI OUT?

[AGC]

I recommend reading Habermas theories of communicative action. We seriously need to be more deliberate and less strategic in the way we talk to and treat each other.

No need for us to do violence on serious conversations and debates.

[Babak agha]

I just said this a way too post for something this simple to understand haha, so funny you didn't see that. Also I never said you shouldn't post long stuff, I just said you made a huge post without answering my one question which after 20 posts you still haven't answered. All you do is trying to say I have an agenda (which one exactly?).

[AGC]

You savages ought to stick to insulting CQ and praising Sgohcic, dragging arguably our greatest ever player whose work-ethic is incredible and his name through the mud is about the most damaging thing you could do to your already demolished credibility.

Guardian piece on our situation:

https://www.theguardian.com/football...squad-acrimony

Khamosh, saket sho and sheesh, little man. You come across as the biggest savage in here with your constant demeaning attitude and insults.

[Babak agha]

Pesareh baamazeh, weren't you the one who just said "To prove Taremi is good..."?

I know you're younger than a lot of us but accusing members who have been around on these forums since the birthplace of the internet of "having an agenda" is not a good look. It's disrespectful.

My only agenda is for TM to do well. If my agenda was CQ over TM, then I wouldn't have criticised him as much during his time.

Some could argue that your agenda is to protect Skocic at all costs to the detriment of TM

See, anyone can play your game, baamazeh

Dr moosh, I wrote this as others are thinking this. For some reason they think they have to prove Taremi is good. And the only way they know how to is to shit on others.

You want the best for TM I understand, but be realistic about it. Talking about CQ makes as much sense as talking about Messi as our number 10.

I could care less for Skocic and I don't think he is a better coach than CQ. You are all making this up in your mind and you can't even see it.

I just don't see how harming the current coach, who hasn't done a super bad job, will help our situation. Harming our chances better said actually, with irrelevant unrealistic stuff.

If somehow by a miracle CQ does become our coach, then that was bound to happen (no need for us to bash anybody for that) and I was wrong for thinking that that would be unrealistic.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

This thread is spiralling out of control.
Its like the contention is floating either bc ppl lack the basic skill of argumentation or it is a result of ppl deliberatly trying to force agendas.

No one can deny taremis abilities. Absolutely no one. Either the key issue is his discipline in the sense of communication in public or it is an utilitarian issue IE that we the most important thing is to maximize efficiency.

Only people smoking crack can seriously question Taremis skills and competence on the field. He is arguably Irans most complete player in our history. He is also competent to start playing for any top team in the world. Why do we need to drag his name in the mud?

The key issue is twofold first of all does maximizing starting elevens skill set Trump discipline? The other is of no what disciplinarian measures are needed? One May argue that he is completely innocent in this mess we are in but one has to argue hard and have little succes doing so.

To sun it up we need to keep to the topic and argue our standpoints cleanly. No need to drag his name and character into the mud.

I agree.
I was the first to call for closure of this thread.
It is taxic like many other threads.
I wish there was a rule in this forum against Toxic threads.
Taremi is an asset. He must be included in the starting XI if he is fit and available despite his big loose mouth.
Should he be disciplined for going public with his criticism to stop once and for all this sort of behaviour?
Yes he should, but unfortunately, we can't afford that considering the circumstances if we want to increase our chances of advancing from group stage.
It should remain to be decided.
Also the disciplining of players should be an established thing at club levels so players learn to watch what they say in public.
But Taremi plays in a club that have already taught him that. So why does he still think that he should go public with his criticism?
Maybe he does not respect/ value our system?

[AGC]

I agree.
I was the first to call for closure of this thread.
It is taxic like many other threads.
I wish there was a rule in this forum against Toxic threads.
Taremi is an asset. He must be included in the starting XI if he is fit and available despite his big loose mouth.
Should he be disciplined for going public with his criticism to stop once and for all this sort of behaviour?
Yes he should, but unfortunately, we can't afford that considering the circumstances if we want to increase our chances of advancing from group stage.
It should remain to be decided.
Also the disciplining of players should be an established thing at club levels so players learn to watch what they say in public.
But Taremi plays in a club that have already taught him that. So why does he still think that he should go public with his criticism?
Maybe he does not respect/ value our system?

Agreed but for me personally i would suspend everybody that opened their mouths and field b or c team. But thats just my preference.

I do regard discipline as trumping efficiency but i get valid arguments about the other side of the coin. So for me personally i think its time that the federation make breaches being felt. We did a mistake not punishing ppl like azizi and karimi in the past.

[AGC]

And also about valuing our system. I think you are on to something mentioning it. I dont think anyone values our system in the sense of organization.

I dont know why this lad is going full activist mode when his role is playing football.

[Taz]

Khamosh, saket sho and sheesh, little man. You come across as the biggest savage in here with your constant demeaning attitude and insults.

The hypocrisy of this post is what I relish.

Criticise Mehdi for doing what's good for the team and you better be ready for toxicity in return.

[AGC]

The hypocrisy of this post is what I relish.

Criticise Mehdi for doing what's good for the team and you better be ready for toxicity in return.

Just Keep on posting rubbish. And please sprinkle it with more insults and belittlements. Its not to your advantage if you want to convince anyone.

[AGC]

Ever heard of the persian saying that the only thing that comes out from stirring a bucket of shit is a foul smell?

I believe this is such a case. Exactly what did mehdi achieve besides of virtue signalling?

[Taz]

The foul smell is what caused the housekeeper to empty the bucket come September.

[AGC]

Its not emptied

[koorosh]

It's a lot harder to read everyone's valid arguments when posts are directed as criticism of another member.

We are all here because we would like our TM to succeed. So we all share this common goal. Please think about this when posting.

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[diz]

Taremi and the test with Monaco: "It was a great game for the team"

Taremi's statements to Porto Canal after FC Porto's 2-1 triumph against Monaco, at Dragão.

The victory: "It was a great game for the team. We were good, we need to prepare for the official debut and we will try to win the title. We will work hard for that. I think we will do even better. We had new players [against Monaco] , it was the first game at Dragão and it was tough. We played a good game and we will try to keep it that way in the next games."

Supercup next weekend with Tondela: "Thank the fans, we need them in the next game because it's just one game and we want to win. They went down a division, but they have a good team and we need the fans to win that game."
https://www.ojogo.pt/futebol/1a-liga...-15043102.html

The man's vocabulary literally revolves around "we", "team", "fans". There is no "I" with him. You think he spoke against Skocic for selfish reasons, or because he has an ego? The man is doing his duty as a team leader to warn us and everyone who loves TM that the ship is heading toward disaster...and you all want to drop the man. smh.

[oracle]

taremi vs karimi
ASHKAN DEJAGEH IS ONE HEAD
AND SHOULDER ABOVE BOTH OF THEM
watching ashkan played un team melli
his style and technic was far above
any player on the field.never ever seen persian player like that...BESIDE style and technic
ALSO ASHKAN PROFFESSIONALISM 3 HEAD AND SHOULDER
ABOVE TAREMI AND KARIMI.