Saman Ghoddos @ Brentford FC | 2022-23

[AGC]

Look there are some inherently flawed logic in your post and I wont for a second stop arguing my standpoint unless there are good reasons for doing so. First of all, reality speaks against every argument you throw. How many iranian players have succeded in EPL? Why is this the case? Let us start the discussion here if we want to move forward and learn something together. If we cant have reasonable discussions and deliberate about this then discussions are of no value.

Secondly we have to make a distinction between rotting at the bench and getting treated as a commodity and bulk commodity for 3 years. Is this reasonable? Does the name tag of EPL justify sitting on a bench and NOT develop? There is a wide difference between trying your wings for a year or so and wasting alternative opportunities. The difference between Jahanbakhsh time in brighton and Feyenoord is that Feyenoord actually gave him a chance and that he thrives in that country. This is the key difference, dutch teams, portugese teams etcetera cannot afford splurging money and actually to a larger degree and extent commit to their players, its more mutuality and less of a one way street in this regard. This is the reason he has come back. He had 1 year after being benched for what 3 years to readapt and learn Slots system. This is reasonable and we ought to be patient. As mentioned earlier 3 years being benched is foolish.

Thirdly, you are manipulating the conversation by making a dichotomy between Arab teams/IPL and EPL. Everyone is in agreement that IPL/Arab teams isnt an option. Try finding one person arguing that a player should go to arab teams or IPL? I bet you will not find any.

Fourth: Ghoddos is a good player, but his position is quite stacked in TM. But here you have a point regarding Ghoddos being subpar compared to other players in TM in his position. Now I dont completely agree with you: but for the sake of the argument, if he is this shitty as you make it out to be, what business does he have being benched in EPL? Is this reasonable? This argument puts the finger on the whole issue: maybe our players cant make it in EPL because of their overall level. Is it or is it not more reasonable to join a top team in a slightly lesser league that is not this unforgiving? I would argue that it is. First thing first: succeed in lesser leagues competetive top teams, then make the transfer. Not the other way around.

Everyone needs to stop blaming the EPL or stating that our players are "doomed" if they go, because they aren't suited for it, or the league has it against them. This is all LOSER mentality. The EPL is by far the best league in the world, if you can make it in this league, you will develop and grow to be a very high level footballer. At the end of the day this is what we want our players to be!

They aren't going to be at their best playing in Iran or some shitty Arab teams where the can score lots of goals. Yeah sometimes there is bad luck, injuries, difficulty adapting to the culture, etc, but other times it is also due to the player themselves not trying enough. It is true, we have yet to have an Iranian make it in the Premier League, but that doesn't mean the league is cursed, or they all hate us or Asian players (ever heard of Son Heung-min?). Rather the 5 Iranian players that have gone so far, for the most part have just not been good enough. We blamed Brighton for Jahanbaksh not performing, then he went back to Holland and up until recently was poor there too. Dejagah was at Fulham, and where did he go after? Qatar. One of our most historic midfielders Bagheri only managed to play one match in his EPL career. This is the level that the players were at (even if skilled, their fitness, commitment, or other factors weighted them down), hence why they weren't playing.

Now let me ask you this, when was the last time you saw Ghoddos play consistently well in TM? Has it ever happened? So far he has played 34 matches (mostly as a sub) for 6 years, and he has scored 2 goals. Every other contribution he has had was a near miss, I can't even recall an assist. Not a single TM coach so far (Carlos, Wilmots, or Skocic) has relied on him or started him frequently.

Don't get me wrong, I want our players to succeed, but trust me, the league alone is not the problem.

[Prowess]

As much as a CQ fan I was, he did not tap into Ghoddos’ strengths.

I think CQ has always “feared” Ghoddos doesn’t have the work-rate to cover enough ground as a midfielder, which is unfair. Ghoddos played great against Uruguay under CQ, yet, gets inserted only in the 2nd half against the USA as a winger, when he’s much more effective in a more central midfield role.

Even though Brentford is doing well now, and is 9th in the league, Frank’s main focus the first season was to not become relegated, and “feared” Ghoddos doesn’t have the work-rate to cover enough ground defensively.

I think Ghoddos would flourish under an offensive-minded coach/team.

[Team Melli Fan]

Malmo FF trying to sign Ghoddos:

https://www.fotbollskanalen.se/allsv...sacken-knytas/

[Ghermez Agha]

Khakkkkkk!!! If he goes to malmo that will be a depressing transfer….it’s his boyhood club I get it but he is not that old yet.

[taremiscores]

Dream would be for him to go to the French league, at this stage.

[Team Melli Fan]

Khakkkkkk!!! If he goes to malmo that will be a depressing transfer….it’s his boyhood club I get it but he is not that old yet.

He never played for Malmo FF, he played for FC Malmo

[milad_b]

Saman transfering to QPR at the end of the season. Possibly the worst transfer he could afford. QPR is RANKED 19th in championship, and could easily get relegated to league one.

He'll be better off moving to Malmo or any other too swedish teams.

[Ghermez Agha]

Saman transfering to QPR at the end of the season. Possibly the worst transfer he could afford. QPR is RANKED 19th in championship, and could easily get relegated to league one.

He'll be better off moving to Malmo or any other too swedish teams.

where did you hear that?

if they are in the championship it’s a good move for him, if they go to league one then obviously not and I doubt saman would go/stay in that scenario. Playing in the championship will ensure he keeps himself in top shape, play very tough and physically competition every week which is exactly what we want for TM purposes.

[KasraKhan]

Saman on in the 84th minute.

[fairplay]

He is a better player than this Jensen he replaced, unfortunately Frank's Danish preference is not fair

[Iran_19]

Playing winger or center or defence you have you use your main assets, no coach stop you doing that and if he does he will not be coaching at such level for sure!
His main asset is his weapon shot, when was the last time he scored from anyway?
Lets stop blame coaches please!!!


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[Prowess]

Playing winger or center or defence you have you use your main assets, no coach stop you doing that and if he does he will not be coaching at such level for sure!
His main asset is his weapon shot, when was the last time he scored from anyway?
Lets stop blame coaches please!!!


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ARJ under Skocic was a perfect example. He had less defensive duties, and took way more shots than under CQ.

Ghoddos is constantly played in defensive positions at Brentford. And yes, coaches will instruct certain players to take more shots. Ghoddos is obviously NOT in Frank's offensive plans, and has relegated him to an auxillary defensive player.

[nisfejahan]

On the bench against MU

[aenima_8]

A couple of days ago Brentford B drew with Luton Town U21 2:2

*Saman started and played 62mins before being subbed off.

https://www.brentfordfc.com/en/news/...-brentford-b-2

[Iran_19]

Wtf
He is going to retire from TM

https://www.instagram.com/p/CrIuR2FI...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=