Players that have been affected/arrested!!

[O-ZoNe]

What I meant is, in thousands of years in Iran history, Iranians mostly did not tolerate others who have different views. Their mindset of "My way or Highway" also does not allow them to listen and respect others views that are different to them. As an example of this, is this forum itself when several members just try to force others to believe in their opinions and if others don't, then they get insulted. Now if this forum is just a small sample of Iranians worldwide, imagine how 85 million Iranians in Iran are like.

So it's good to see that you guys and some others are optimistic that Iranians are capable to some how change their mindset and mentality.

I've been on the attacking end of some of the vitriol you mention. They fail to realize this type of behavior is no different than that of the regime they support protests against. It's a case of don't do as I do but do as I say instead. This is the challenge. But an open society must be tolerant of differences without fear of persecution. Unfortunately this means extremists will have a platform similar to folks like Bolsanaro in Brazil and more recently Meloni in Italy. These folks remind me of the confederacy supporters in the USA...we want a democracy as long as it walks, talks, and looks like us.

Even during Shahs reign some footballers were Shahi, some supported MeK, and others the Islamists. It's likely no different right now. We definitely know a few support status quo and others don't.
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[AGC]

I get proud of my hamvatans seeing and facing evil and are still capable of being tolerant and open. This just show how righteous you guys are and why our country has a bright future.
As true democrats we believe everyone ought and is capable of knowing their own best interests. This is nothing points towards its opposite (children etc)

I truly think as you guys point out that there is hope, and Im also glad that people are not naive and point out that iranians have troubles tolerating other ppl and this issue goes beyond these little akhunds.

[taremiscores]

I've been on the attacking end of some of the vitriol you mention. They fail to realize this type of behavior is no different than that of the regime they support protests against. It's a case of don't do as I do but do as I say instead. This is the challenge. But an open society must be tolerant of differences without fear of persecution. Unfortunately this means extremists will have a platform similar to folks like Bolsanaro in Brazil and more recently Meloni in Italy. These folks remind me of the confederacy supporters in the USA...we want a democracy as long as it walks, talks, and looks like us.

Even during Shahs reign some footballers were Shahi, some supported MeK, and others the Islamists. It's likely no different right now. We definitely know a few support status quo and others don't.
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I am a proud Muslim and love Islam. But Islamists should not be tolerated. They are akin to Nazis and terrorists. They are unhinged and at any moment they can inflict massive damage.

We would not tolerate Daesh and we shall not tolerate IR.

[O-ZoNe]

I am a proud Muslim and love Islam. But Islamists should not be tolerated. They are akin to Nazis and terrorists. They are unhinged and at any moment they can inflict massive damage.

We would not tolerate Daesh and we shall not tolerate IR.

Not all islamists are daesh and IR. Look at folks like Ayatollah Montazeri or even Erdogan in Turkey... I'm not religious at all, nor do I believe in theocracy, but unless you plan on burning down every masched in Iran then you will have some islamists.

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[Pejman]

I've been on the attacking end of some of the vitriol you mention. They fail to realize this type of behavior is no different than that of the regime they support protests against. It's a case of don't do as I do but do as I say instead. This is the challenge. But an open society must be tolerant of differences without fear of persecution. Unfortunately this means extremists will have a platform similar to folks like Bolsanaro in Brazil and more recently Meloni in Italy. These folks remind me of the confederacy supporters in the USA...we want a democracy as long as it walks, talks, and looks like us.

Even during Shahs reign some footballers were Shahi, some supported MeK, and others the Islamists. It's likely no different right now. We definitely know a few support status quo and others don't.
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Give up guys. The world never is going to be a good place and never was. The reason is quite simple: conflict of ideas and the shitty religion is playing a big part. Since I'm a nihilist I don't mind if someone believes in whatever he wants, but religion becomes a huge problem when shitty things happens because of it like in Iran nowadays. Also, human beings do sacrifice in the name of religion, when the Easter and Christmas comes for Christians or Eid Al Adha for Muslims to name a few. I can understand that you have to eat, but this is very questionable since the meat is dispensable nowadays. The world will become a good place only when this rapacious creatures named human beings will dissappear. The democracy is a controlled chaos. Mizantropy at its best! At least some people can express their opinions without having too many problems like Pooladi, who is safe in Qatar.

[AGC]

I am a proud Muslim and love Islam. But Islamists should not be tolerated. They are akin to Nazis and terrorists. They are unhinged and at any moment they can inflict massive damage.

We would not tolerate Daesh and we shall not tolerate IR.

Its already illegal to act like Daesh, its illegal doing illegal things. If you act like a daeshi then you go to jail, its completely off point.

Since when should opinions be illegal?

[Farzadfarhangni]

I am a proud Muslim and love Islam. But Islamists should not be tolerated. They are akin to Nazis and terrorists. They are unhinged and at any moment they can inflict massive damage.

We would not tolerate Daesh and we shall not tolerate IR.

Yeah, I think you need to define "Islamist" and "tolerate" a little more clearly.

[perspolis#1]

If by Islamist it is implied that they support the mixing of religion and government than the natural reaction to the failed policies of the Islamic republic will be the banning of religion in government or better "separation of masjed and state".

Its unclear if mixing Islam and state will be a tolerated opinion in a postIR Iran as idealist as some want to be.

Practicing Islam does not make someone "an Islamist"

[sabzi polo]

In this clip the guy speaks very clear about the current situation and puts everything in a nutshell. Never heard it so precise and succinctly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT4755gUfaI

[AGC]

In this clip the guy speaks very clear about the current situation and puts everything in a nutshell. Never heard it so precise and succinctly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT4755gUfaI

Best rant ever 🤣🤣😂😂

[O-ZoNe]

If by Islamist it is implied that they support the mixing of religion and government than the natural reaction to the failed policies of the Islamic republic will be the banning of religion in government or better "separation of masjed and state".

Its unclear if mixing Islam and state will be a tolerated opinion in a postIR Iran as idealist as some want to be.

Practicing Islam does not make someone "an Islamist"

Islamists are what I consider super religious and who live and die by the Koran. Mixing Islam and politics is not an Islamist necessarily but more of a theocratist. Now some islamists can be theocracy supporters as well.

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[taremiscores]

Islamists are what I consider super religious and who live and die by the Koran. Mixing Islam and politics is not an Islamist necessarily but more of a theocratist. Now some islamists can be theocracy supporters as well.

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Following and believing in the Koran is called being Muslim - whether that person is super religious or not doesn't matter. You would never call an average or even religious Muslim who doesn't want to mix politics and religion an Islamist.

Islamism = Politics + Islam mixed (Mosque and State are not to be separated. They believe in the Shariah).

[perspolis#1]

Islamists are what I consider super religious and who live and die by the Koran. Mixing Islam and politics is not an Islamist necessarily but more of a theocratist. Now some islamists can be theocracy supporters as well.

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I'm going off of this definition below also seen in the Cambridge Dictionary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

Islamism- a person who believes strongly in Islam, especially one who believes that Islam should influence political systems.



I'm not the type to argue over -isms and language so I'll just say that the tolerance of any Islamic influence on law and order in a post-IR Iran will be very very limited and if I had to guess err on strictness against it as opposed to a good balance to make everyone happy.

[Equalizer]

In this clip the guy speaks very clear about the current situation and puts everything in a nutshell. Never heard it so precise and succinctly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT4755gUfaI

Third time hearing it, and I'm in tears again. Classic

[leviathan]

WOOOOOOOW! HE IS 100% RIGHT-