Torabi in or out of Team Melli?

[IranFTW]

It's at best naive and at worst intellectually dishonest to compare BLM to what happened to Mahsa and Nika. Although it's very typical of young Iranian-Americans who have never lived under this regime and filter everything through an American lens and end up with an extremely distorted and watered down understanding of what Iranians go through under this regime.

If Iranians enjoyed the same rights under IR that blacks do in 2022 America, we wouldn't even have half the problems we have today!

Even in the old pre-civil rights days, rednecks in the South would send police dogs to the streets against black protesters. They never killed 1,500 of them in just 3 days! The total number of recorded lynching cases in America is around 3,000 over two centuries. IR killed around half that number of Iranians in just THREE days. In 2018!

For IR's crimes to be compared to the George Floyd case, the US government would have to:
>arrest an innocent black woman for "improper Christian conduct".
>kill her in custody.
>protect the culprits and lie about the causes.
>beat and shoot protesters including young girls.
>invade college campuses and attack random black students on their first day!
>Arrest black celebrities who condemn the crimes.
>Abduct, rape and kill yet another black girl who wasn't even 18 yet.
>hold on to her body for 10 days.
>finally release her body, but then steal the corpse and bury it somewhere else!
>Arrest her family and make them tape forced televised messages!

THIS is what Iranians go through under this crime cartel. If you live in America, you have experienced and witnessed nothing that compares to it. Yet I know Iranian-Americans who wouldn't offer a pro-cop conservative in America even half the good will they give fascists at home who support literal rapists!

A cockroach like Torabi is not like your Republican coworker! The only people these scum can be compared to are Nazis. And they deserve as much respect and free speech as they offer every one else: NOTHING.

[Hosseini]

I just don't agree with you based on my knowledge of US history, objectively we can look at it and assess the situation too

Blacks make up 13 percent of the population, but 30 percent of the prison population. Black people were slaves in America for almost 300 years. They make a disproportionate amount of police killings. George Floyd is one case of out countless, go look at Laquan McDonald, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland - black people all dead after what should be routine traffic stops. Did you forget black leaders like Malcolm X and MLK getting assassinated by the state?

Practically all those things you listed happened to native americans as well, even worse. They were wiped out en masse and put on reservations.

We haven't even gone yet to foreign policy and the United States's human rights record on that, where over 1 million were killed and millions more displaced because of our wars in the past 20 years. Not to mention the US's backing and support of Saudi's genocide in Yemen or Israel's military, which is basically apartheid

Whether you like it or not, Torabi is representative of a very large chunk of the country, again, which is very sad. He is not an isolated incident or an outlier.

It's at best naive and at worst intellectually dishonest to compare BLM to what happened to Mahsa and Nika. Although it's very typical of young Iranian-Americans who have never lived under this regime and filter everything through an American lens and end up with an extremely distorted and watered down understanding of what Iranians go through under this regime.
If Iranians enjoyed the same rights under IR that blacks do in 2022 America, we wouldn't even have half the problems we have today!
Even in the old pre-civil rights days, rednecks in the South would send police dogs to the streets against black protesters. They never killed 1,500 of them in just 3 days! The total number of recorded lynching cases in America is around 3,000 over two centuries. IR killed around half that number of Iranians in just THREE days. In 2018!
For IR's crimes to be compared to the George Floyd case, the US government would have to:
>arrest an innocent black woman for "improper Christian conduct".
>kill her in custody.
>protect the culprits and lie about the causes.
>beat and shoot protesters including young girls.
>invade college campuses and attack random black students on their first day!
>Arrest black celebrities who condemn the crimes.
>Abduct, rape and kill yet another black girl who wasn't even 18 yet.
>hold on to her body for 10 days.
>finally release her body, but then steal the corpse and bury it somewhere else!
>Arrest her family and make them tape forced televised messages!
THIS is what Iranians go through under this crime cartel. If you live in America, you have experienced and witnessed nothing that compares to it. Yet I know Iranian-Americans who wouldn't offer a pro-cop conservative in America even half the good will they give fascists at home who support literal rapists!
A cockroach like Torabi is not like your Republican coworker! The only people these scum can be compared to are Nazis. And they deserve as much respect and free speech as they offer every one else: NOTHING.

[EZLN]

Torabi is not Team Melli material. He has played for Iran since 2015, and has yet to score an important goal for us. In fact, the only goal he scored that wasn't in a friendly match, was against Guam in a 6-0 blowout. For a winger, his crossing is subpar, and his positioning average is at best. His greatest attribute is his speed, but his link-up game is not on the level of our Europe-based players, so he gets lost in transition.

He should definitely be crossed out to make room for the many solid players we have like Mehdipour, Salmani, Mohebbi, Kalantari, Shekari, Khodabandelou, Ghayedi and others.

[IranFTW]

I'm not going back and forth on this because thankfully this naive pov is exclusive to a very specific subsection of West-based Iranian immigrants who are in their teens and 20s and have never had the misfortune of living under this regime.

I will simply repeat: As long as you try to judge this cancerous regime and its atrocities against Iranians "based on your knowledge of US history" and no direct experience of living under IR, you will remain misguided in your assessment.

Objectively, this regime needed just three days to kill 1,500 Iranians. To lynch blacks in America, rednecks needed at least a century to kill that many!

Only an American who happens to be Iranian and has never lived under IR would suggest the George Floyd case is as outrageous as the murder (and rape) of young girls who were protesting the murder of another young girl! FFS just read that again! You're comparing THIS to Floyd??...

The Floyd murder drew universal condemnation from both parties, resulted in the trial and sentencing of the guilty police, and not even 1/100th the amount of state violence against BLM protesters even when they were openly engaged in looting and arson. The ones who did finally get arrested were bailed out by politicians and celebrities to the cheer of the media! On what planet is this comparable to what our people, especially the girls are going through in Iran right now??...

It would be much easier and save us all a lot of time if young liberal expats simply admit that they care more about the politics of their current country, and that they don't like acknowledging that any entity could be worse than their current country's bad guys.

If you simply can't think about Iranian issues without filtering it through Western concepts of good and evil, at least do it correctly. Iran's regime thugs aren't like your Trump supporting coworker or the one who voted for Romney in 2012. If you absolutely need a Western equivalent, they're like the guys who ruled Germany in 1930s, or the KKK. No one else comes even close in terms of sheer savagery. No one.

[IranFTW]

BLM protesters were rarely arrested and the few who were taken in got bailed out by celebrities as everyone cheered, but sure, it was as bad as Iranians getting shot and beaten to death on the streets and the rest having to avoid hospitals to avoid being arrested there! Outside of that it's no different than the BLM protests! Genius take.

[Hosseini]

We are not just talking about the treatment of BLM protestors, the whole movement was representative of the way the US treated minorities here. we are talking about the oppression of the US government on its citizens. not to mention the lives massacred abroad in pursuit of "freedom" and "human rights"

The question here is should an athlete be punished for not condemning or supporting the oppression of their own government. Let's stay on task

BLM protesters were rarely arrested and the few who were taken in got bailed out by celebrities as everyone cheered, but sure, it was as bad as Iranians getting shot and beaten to death on the streets and the rest having to avoid hospitals to avoid being arrested there! Outside of that it's no different than the BLM protests! Genius take.

[IranFTW]

^The task is that today, in 2022, an athlete who openly supports Nazis or KKK wouldn't even be able to remain employed let alone get to represent his national team. And that's exactly what a self-respecting culture would do to sociopaths who support IR.

[Pouya]

I say koone laghe in bache akhoond. If he represents the people's national team, why should he have a space there? He obv is not with the ppl.

[AGC]

I'm not going back and forth on this because thankfully this naive pov is exclusive to a very specific subsection of West-based Iranian immigrants who are in their teens and 20s and have never had the misfortune of living under this regime.
I will simply repeat: As long as you try to judge this cancerous regime and its atrocities against Iranians "based on your knowledge of US history" and no direct experience of living under IR, you will remain misguided in your assessment.
Objectively, this regime needed just three days to kill 1,500 Iranians. To lynch blacks in America, rednecks needed at least a century to kill that many!
Only an American who happens to be Iranian and has never lived under IR would suggest the George Floyd case is as outrageous as the murder (and rape) of young girls who were protesting the murder of another young girl! FFS just read that again! You're comparing THIS to Floyd??...
The Floyd murder drew universal condemnation from both parties, resulted in the trial and sentencing of the guilty police, and not even 1/100th the amount of state violence against BLM protesters even when they were openly engaged in looting and arson. The ones who did finally get arrested were bailed out by politicians and celebrities to the cheer of the media! On what planet is this comparable to what our people, especially the girls are going through in Iran right now??...
It would be much easier and save us all a lot of time if young liberal expats simply admit that they care more about the politics of their current country, and that they don't like acknowledging that any entity could be worse than their current country's bad guys.
If you simply can't think about Iranian issues without filtering it through Western concepts of good and evil, at least do it correctly. Iran's regime thugs aren't like your Trump supporting coworker or the one who voted for Romney in 2012. If you absolutely need a Western equivalent, they're like the guys who ruled Germany in 1930s, or the KKK. No one else comes even close in terms of sheer savagery. No one.

Please dont even go there. You have no idea about your compatriots suffering or personal stories. Im in full agreement with Hosseini on this one.

Meeting intolerance with intolerance makes a person q Guardian and goes against everything democracy stands for. It goes against strong principle of equality. Read Dahl, Malkopolou etcetera.

We should not give piece of shittt ppl any pretext for delegitimize the movement.

[AGC]

I say koone laghe in bache akhoond. If he represents the people's national team, why should he have a space there? He obv is not with the ppl.

Define "the people". This is standard populist practice of claiming to represent all iranians. It is not up to you to represent the people. To represent the people you need peoples mandates, and by definition there is never 100 percent unanimity. This is just facts and logic.

He sure as h-ll represent those disguisting people that support the regime, and even if they make up 10-20 percent of the population, the representation is still there. If this reasonable assumption holds, then we may need to get used to having 1 or 2 detestable bache akhunds in the team.

This argument is based on the assumption that democracy IS a criteria for judging who is to be included or excluded. Im not even hundred percent sure streching democratic working area to sports is a good idea to begin with.

[IranFTW]

Please dont even go there. You have no idea about your compatriots suffering or personal stories. Im in full agreement with Hosseini on this one.
Meeting intolerance with intolerance makes a person q Guardian and goes against everything democracy stands for. It goes against strong principle of equality. Read Dahl, Malkopolou etcetera.
We should not give piece of shittt ppl any pretext for delegitimize the movement.

First of all, don't tell me what I can or can't do. And do not tell me "I have no idea".

I absolutely will "go there" because like most Iranians I deal with on social media, I LIVED THERE well into adulthood, and I have family who still live there and take part in protests. Most of you geniuses preaching this dopey nonsense can't even read a single paragraph in Farsi, have never lived under IR, and your ONLY frame of reference is the namby pamby "liberal vs conservative" Western politics that you have only followed for maybe five years since your late teens. As if that's not annoying enough, you would never even apply this sugary "tolerance" to conservative idiots in your Western country let alone to Nazis, but when it comes to literal rapists and child killers (!) in Iran you want to hold hands and eat ice cream together!

Young "Iranian-Americans" can afford this clueless tolerance for evil because your only concept of evil is some dumbass like Trump or Romney. In the very Western country you've learned these talking points, Nazis never get tolerated. The day skinheads and KKK members get treated like normal humans in the West, you can ask me to be nice to cockroaches who kill and rape 16 year old girls of my country!

Assuming of course that you're indeed just a naive expat, and not...something else.

Don't engage me again with this nonsense. I'm not wasting time debating the most basic things that 99% of Iranians on social media understand and agree on.

[AGC]

First of all, don't tell me what I can or can't do. And do not tell me "I have no idea".

I absolutely will "go there" because like most Iranians I deal with on social media, I LIVED THERE well into adulthood, and I have family who still live there and take part in protests. Most of you geniuses preaching this dopey nonsense can't even read a single paragraph in Farsi, have never lived under IR, and your ONLY frame of reference is the namby pamby "liberal vs conservative" Western politics that you have only followed for maybe five years since your late teens. As if that's not annoying enough, you would never even apply this sugary "tolerance" to conservative idiots in your Western country let alone to Nazis, but when it comes to literal rapists and child killers (!) in Iran you want to hold hands and eat ice cream together!

Young "Iranian-Americans" can afford this clueless tolerance for evil because your only concept of evil is some dumbass like Trump or Romney. In the very Western country you've learned these talking points, Nazis never get tolerated. The day skinheads and KKK members get treated like normal humans in the West, you can ask me to be nice to cockroaches who kill and rape 16 year old girls of my country!

Assuming of course that you're indeed just a naive expat, and not...something else.

Don't engage me again with this nonsense. I'm not wasting time debating the most basic things that 99% of Iranians on social media understand and agree on.

Please hold your emotions. Youre not the only one that has suffered. I see the iranian martyr complex kicking in. Dont make this a penis measure contest.

[Farzadfarhangni]

First of all, don't tell me what I can or can't do. And do not tell me "I have no idea".
I absolutely will "go there" because like most Iranians I deal with on social media, I LIVED THERE well into adulthood, and I have family who still live there and take part in protests. Most of you geniuses preaching this dopey nonsense can't even read a single paragraph in Farsi, have never lived under IR, and your ONLY frame of reference is the namby pamby "liberal vs conservative" Western politics that you have only followed for maybe five years since your late teens. As if that's not annoying enough, you would never even apply this sugary "tolerance" to conservative idiots in your Western country let alone to Nazis, but when it comes to literal rapists and child killers (!) in Iran you want to hold hands and eat ice cream together!
Young "Iranian-Americans" can afford this clueless tolerance for evil because your only concept of evil is some dumbass like Trump or Romney. In the very Western country you've learned these talking points, Nazis never get tolerated. The day skinheads and KKK members get treated like normal humans in the West, you can ask me to be nice to cockroaches who kill and rape 16 year old girls of my country!
Assuming of course that you're indeed just a naive expat, and not...something else.
Don't engage me again with this nonsense. I'm not wasting time debating the most basic things that 99% of Iranians on social media understand and agree on.

Okh okh, tarsidam o larzidam and you were not even talking to me!!!! Just curious, can you point to anyone on this forum that has indicated that we should be nice to cockroaches who kill and rape 16 year old girls of your country? Thank you.

[AGC]

Let me put this in words you can understand instead of calling iranians western kids. Have you seen relatives hanged? If yes, then you are out of line. If you havent? Youre still out of line.
These so called bache farangis have suffered too

[IranFTW]

He sure as h-ll represent those disguisting people that support the regime, and even if they make up 10-20 percent of the population, the representation is still there. If this reasonable assumption holds, then we may need to get used to having 1 or 2 detestable bache akhunds in the team.

Genius take! Genius!

Some people think it's NOT ok to rape and kill innocent girls you disagree with, others think it's perfectly fine. This is what you call a "political disagreement". We just have to be sensitive to the fact that some of us don't support rapists and others do. It's just life. Nothing we can do even when there's definitely something we can do lol.

I can only imagine if Einsteins like this had been around after WW2: "Listen people we need to understand there a lot of nazis in Germany! Maybe half or at least a third of the population! You just want to make them feel bad for no reason?? Many of them probably didn't even kill anybody they just thought it's good to do it! We'll just have to get used to them controlling half the government for the next century or two. We'll have to make sure at least half the German national team is nazi too just so they don't feel left out. Please stop saying all this ant-nazi stuff too it's not democratic at all! Before I dropped out of 5th grade I learned democracy means you must let fascists destroy democracy in the name of democracy! it makes sense if you just stop thinking about it."

Thankfully there are literally no people like this on Iranian social media. Otherwise I would have had a stroke and two heart attacks this last month alone.