Torabi in or out of Team Melli?

[Ari]

Some guys here are asking not to mix politics with sports, but someone who really knows Iran knows that this is impossible. Just a simple question! After everything that happened and happens right now. Iranian protesters who r killed, children that r beaten, musicians and athletes arrested.. what do u guys want to do with people like torabi, who are backing up the regime?

So Mehdi Torabi in or out of Team Melli?

[Rooyintan]

Ethics is different to "not mix politics with sports".

I oppose ban on national teams, sport federations because of non-sport related reasons. It is unjust and unsportmanship decision to ban for example Team Melli from the World Cup. Players should not be held accountable and responsible for what has happend or is happening in Iran.

However, if an athlete is against people of his country, disrespects them in anyway that would be an ethical issue. If fans can vote to get athletes off the team, then awesome. Otherwise such decisions would remain with the Team Melli Management or rest of the team.

[Ari]

Ethics is different to "not mix politics with sports".

I oppose ban on national teams, sport federations because of non-sport related reasons. It is unjust and unsportmanship decision to ban for example Team Melli from the World Cup. Players should not be held accountable and responsible for what has happend or is happening in Iran.

However, if an athlete is against people of his country, disrespects them in anyway that would be an ethical issue. If fans can vote to get athletes off the team, then awesome. Otherwise such decisions would remain with the Team Melli Management or rest of the team.

Sure, u r right. It's just hypothetical queston. But Torabi is known to back up the regime, even while they r killing people. After the second world war they sorted people like him out of the national team.

[ommy48]

Out for me, the difference between right and wrong is so clear and inescapable in this situation that one cannot excuse his ignorance any longer. Beliefs are one thing, but supporting violence and evil actions against your own people that you are supposedly representing on a National level is beyond the pale.

[Shayan_91]

Not that I support anything pro-IR, but I'm just trying to be empathetic here: I think it's all a question of how much you are willing to risk your own and your family's life. To give you an example: I have some Russian co-workers, who are 100% against the war, but they know that if they share anything vs. Putin on social media or elsewhere, their parents (who happen to have government-related jobs) will be at danger. They are in an extremely shitty situation because on one side they are ashamed and sad about what's happening and on the other side they have to shut their mouth because they know that once they open it publicly, their parents will end up in jail (or will be killed). And now let's be honest: would you still stand up and post sth on social media knowing that by this you put your own father into jail? I cannot imagine that Torabi is supporting the killing of the people, but rather that he is in an extremely difficult situation of not being able to open his mouth because he knows that he basically has his family members' lives in his hands.

[perspolis#1]

I hate Torabi's guts and my post history proves it here.

But screening people off the basis of political opinion out of Team Melli is a dangerous precedent that IR already does.

If there is a link to Torabi being involved in repressing protests and calling for violence against protestors, that is a different story

[Babak agha]

Ethics is different to "not mix politics with sports".

I oppose ban on national teams, sport federations because of non-sport related reasons. It is unjust and unsportmanship decision to ban for example Team Melli from the World Cup. Players should not be held accountable and responsible for what has happend or is happening in Iran.

However, if an athlete is against people of his country, disrespects them in anyway that would be an ethical issue. If fans can vote to get athletes off the team, then awesome. Otherwise such decisions would remain with the Team Melli Management or rest of the team.

Some could argue that having sympathy, compassion and respect for your fellow countrymen is also ethics and has nothing to do with politics, meaning if the players themselves decided not to go to the WC.

[teammelli91]

100% Out.

[taremiscores]

I hate Torabi's guts and my post history proves it here.

But screening people off the basis of political opinion out of Team Melli is a dangerous precedent that IR already does.

If there is a link to Torabi being involved in repressing protests and calling for violence against protestors, that is a different story

Torabi can f off. A couple of weeks ago, he wanted to show his undershirt with the support of "security forces" - who are literally killing our people. How much evidence do people need? Amiri comes out with an IG story saying something about protecting police cars. Our people are fighting for their lives on the street and some cannot even go and say that certain players should not be banned? Also, with the likes of Torabi and Vahid Amiri, this doesn't become Team Melli - it becomes team-e-IR.

Some people put way too much emphasis on football here... if you scour Twitter and Instagram, this forum community is really on the fringes in a lot of matters with the Iranian people. It's meme-ish. Sad to see.

[taremiscores]

Not that I support anything pro-IR, but I'm just trying to be empathetic here: I think it's all a question of how much you are willing to risk your own and your family's life. To give you an example: I have some Russian co-workers, who are 100% against the war, but they know that if they share anything vs. Putin on social media or elsewhere, their parents (who happen to have government-related jobs) will be at danger. They are in an extremely shitty situation because on one side they are ashamed and sad about what's happening and on the other side they have to shut their mouth because they know that once they open it publicly, their parents will end up in jail (or will be killed). And now let's be honest: would you still stand up and post sth on social media knowing that by this you put your own father into jail? I cannot imagine that Torabi is supporting the killing of the people, but rather that he is in an extremely difficult situation of not being able to open his mouth because he knows that he basically has his family members' lives in his hands.

So many things wrong with this post. No one is asking Torabi to do anything - but don't have shirts with the support of Khamenei and "security forces"! Is that too much to ask? Plus, literally 100s of footballers/celebrities/athletes have come out against IR and what they do. He's not putting into peril anything. He will be fine if he walks with them.

If self-preservation is a virtue, then there would be no such concept as treason. Cowards.

[Rooyintan]

Some could argue that having sympathy, compassion and respect for your fellow countrymen is also ethics and has nothing to do with politics, meaning if the players themselves decided not to go to the WC.

If they decide not to go to the World Cup, it would be their choice. They are the ones who qualified, if they want to put all their hard work down the drain then be it. However, when others are asking for ban on Team Melli is unethical, malicious, unjust and unsportmanship.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Ebrahimzadeh https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...droidApp_Other

He likened the move to sporting organizations suspending Russia from competition after the country’s invasion of Ukraine.

“Fifa knows that the federation of Iran and all the clubs [there] are controlled by military generals,’” he said. “A bunch of terrorists is running a federation that is part of Fifa.”

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He's not wrong about that.... Another "MEK traitor" or "Zionist shill"...?

[Artaxerxes]

100% out.
This i.r loving monkey can go and play for fc Olagh.
It should be zero space for these anti iranian filths in tomorows post i.r Iran.
You are either whit IRAN or the anti iranian I.R occupiers .
Bache meymone antar🤮

[O-ZoNe]

FYI I am not a fan of Torabi but for those who want him out would you be willing to have CQ out as well? Torabi is a favourite selection of CQ if I am not mistaken.

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[taremiscores]

FYI I am not a fan of Torabi but for those who want him out would you be willing to have CQ out as well? Torabi is a favourite selection of CQ if I am not mistaken.

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CQ's gameplan does not depend on Torabi and he's not indispensable. Even if he was (which he isn't), who cares? This team represents Iran and Iranians and with the inclusion of Mehdi Torabi and Vahid Amiri - that brings the whole integrity of the TM into disrepute.