What did this guy said to Zidan?

[Minmin]

but can't you see, it DOESN'T MATTER what he said!!!!!!

what is wrong with some of you? This is professional soccer!!!! I've been told so many god damn things on the field, and if i were to react each time, then i'd have 7 red cards, and i'd be suspended indefinitely.

it doesn't matter who started or what was said. Zidane is not new to football, and people will say stuff tactically to get under his skin because HE ALLOWS THEM TO, and look what happened.

i can't believe people are DEFENDING him????

for the record, i don't condone what materazzi did by any means, but THIS IS PROFESSIONAL sport and IS TO BE EXPECTED.

now for the love of god, let's throw away this gheyrati attitude and stop saying stuff like "i'd do the same, good for zidane", because it shows selfishness...he let down his team, his nation, his family, and more importantly, himself by REACTING to what some guy might have said, regardless of what that something is.

for those of you who can't take trash talking on the field, i suggest you never play organized football.

Faraz bro i gotta say you sayin that, this bullshit that goes on in football should be tolerated, is even more disgraceful than what zidane did.

[Minmin]

secondly, you are causing bodily harm to someone, rather than just saying meaningless words that a player like Zidane MUST know is being said so that he reacts.

man words can be MUCH worse than touches. If he wanted to hurm him he would have put his head on his nose and not his chest, do u actually think Matterazi was hurt?

Its a complex issue man, but dont try to make these things sound insignificant please.

[Hajagha]

you are causing bodily harm to someone, rather than just saying meaningless words that a player like Zidane MUST know is being said so that he reacts.
I guess you've never played football before?

Faraz jan, words hurt, badly hurt. ctually it hurts so bad and thugs like Materazzi using it against a better player like Zidane.

I expect Zidane to play football, not being superman and resist any kind of insults and injury bcz I CANNOT PROTECT HIM.

This is our fault to see our better footballers become victims. We should blame ourselves to not doing any thing to protect them.

For instance, I loved the new rule of "Yellow cards", we didn't see any player got injured by an ANIMAL who used to be called also "Player". Now, we should do some thing to protect them from "verbal insult" too. Don't accept that it's part of the game, it's not.

[alchemist]

omg everyone says something else, one lipreader says sister is whore the other i wish u the worst death? wtf man

Was just about to say the same thing. I can't understand it! But I think I've found the holy grail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

If this deaf lipreader spoke what was said phonetically, then I'm pretty confident that it's the truth. I mean, what are the chances that a deaf woman making some seemingly random sounds will render a perfect sentence in Italian.

Plus, if the mofo really said 'We all know you are the son of a terrorist whore.' then that's jackpot as far as Zidane's supporters are concerned because FIFA can then indict Materazzi for both racism as well as verbal abuse.

Edit: Check this out too http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/1,,2006310771,00.html

[abonas]

umm..notice how I said "I DON'T CONDONE THE BEHAVIOUR"...
secondly, you are causing bodily harm to someone, rather than just saying meaningless words that a player like Zidane MUST know is being said so that he reacts.

I am sorry, but when the mens rea of an action is to provoke violent reaction then that action is violence in and by itself even though it is only a form of speech. Thus, when the words are spouted to cause the breach of the peace, it is certainly not "meaningless words". As such, one should not ignore the causality that exists in this situation and brush of Materrazi's comments just as "meaningless words".

And the bodily harm is justifiable in such circumstances as the person who directs the speech at you intends to harm you and does so with full intent on getting a reaction out of you.

Hopefully, Materrazi's career will be ended in shame and disgrace with an early retirement from football after a horrific and serious injury.

I guess you've never played football before?

And how did you come to that conclusion?

[Amin_]

Faraz jan, I completely disagree with you!

Yes, ok, it's true: It's prrofessional football and bad things are being said in football, but if the stories about the seriousness of those comments are true, then my props to Zidane!

I myself play football at a quite high level, and believe me there have been said a lot of bad things to me. But just the common things everyone says in football, like the "You and your team suck"; "you look like a fag"; "use some deodorant" etc type of things...

And usually I just laugh and walk away, or just say something in those lines back.


BUT, if someone on the field dares to call me "the son of a dirty terrorist whore" and wishes a hard death to my sick mother, then believe me, even if it's the most important game of my life, hell will break loose!

Calling him a terrorist (specially in these days) and calling his mom a whore, is 10 times worse than what Zidane did. Words hurt way more than whatever headbutt!

So if it's true, it wasn't just your ordinaroy bashing which happens in every football match, but this was a personal attack to someone's beliefs/family.


Some keep on saying "Ah it's a part of the game" but that's exactly where we go wrong. That's why it has become a part of the game, because of people approving this behaviour.

If FIFA is 'man' enough to stand behind their usual "Fair Play" BS, then they should give that Italian ANIMAL a suspension of at least a couple of months, also to sent out a message to the rest of the world!

Football is getting uglier every day, and such extreme nasty actions have to be pointed put, put under attention, in order to make it stop.

If Zidane hadn't done anything to such unordinary/extreme insults, then no-one would've talked about it and it'd keep on getting worse and worse.

Ghorbanet,

Amin

[faraz]

Amin Jan,

You of all people should not react like that. I know that you have played in decent levels in Dutch football, and saying stuff like "your team sucks" IS laughable. Now, if someone comes with a more serious comment about your mother or something like what you had in your post, you're telling me you'd punch him???

To me, that's selfish.

On the football field, you're team comes FIRST. This is a fact. Not only does a red card demoralise the team, but forces your team to change tactics, switch positions and run more (i guess i shouldn't be telling you this, you know better than me)

Again, what Materazzi said is completely inexcusable, but to some, it was the smartest move he could've made.

And what Zidane did was plain foolish and selfish. He was thinking of getting his own revenge when he could've walked away, won the world cup, and then rubbed it in Materazzi's face.

Winning the world cup would have been the ultimate revenge.

[faraz]

And how did you come to that conclusion?

Because if you have played organized football, people will tell you some of the dirtiest things you've ever heard to provoke you. And if you react to something like that more than once, you're off the team within a matter of seconds. This is the nature of team sports! It is not only a physical battle, but a psychological one - and more often than not, if you can prevail psychologically, you can prevail on the field.

Some people may look at Materazzi and say he is a hero, and they could possibly be right!

he scored during play
he got zidane sent off
he scored a great penalty

Now, if you're a coach, would you not want to have this guy on your team?

Personally, I believe personal pride should be completely put aside in team sports for the GOOD OF THE TEAM. Think about it,

if people would not react to such comments, players would stop saying it b/c it would have NO purpose!

[abonas]

Because if you have played organized football, people will tell you some of the dirtiest things you've ever heard to provoke you. And if you react to something like that more than once, you're off the team within a matter of seconds. This is the nature of team sports! It is not only a physical battle, but a psychological one - and more often than not, if you can prevail psychologically, you can prevail on the field.

Some people may look at Materazzi and say he is a hero, and they could possibly be right!

he scored during play
he got zidane sent off
he scored a great penalty

Now, if you're a coach, would you not want to have this guy on your team?

Personally, I believe personal pride should be completely put aside in team sports for the GOOD OF THE TEAM. Think about it,

if people would not react to such comments, players would stop saying it b/c it would have NO purpose!

I have heard my fair share of crap talk, but there are ALWAYS SOME boundaries that have never been crossed.

Besides, why do you object to me attempting to play dirty? It's just another aspect of the game. Isn't it? I will tell my weakest player to viciously injure the best player of the opposite team and he will probably get a yellow card for it. Overall, it's good because it will contribute to the success of my team.

So in the end, football is nothing more than a game of who can be the bigger a**hole and in such contest, one has to play dirty in order to win and whoever plays fair will most likely end up on the losing side.

[faraz]

I will tell my weakest player to viciously injure the best player of the opposite team and he will probably get a yellow card for it. Overall, it's good because it will contribute to the success of my team.

abonas jan,

wait, wait...

why would he probably get a yellow if he tries to viscously INJURE the best player of the opposing team? that doesn't make any sense! he'd get a RED CARD hands down your team would go down to 10 men!

secondly, we are talking about PSYCHOLOGICAL battles, not diving into tackles with the intent to injure (which won't help your team anyway)

they are 2 completely different things!

[Amin_]

Faraz jan, I guess that's the difference between people (and you and me).

I've got an enormous respect for you if you could indeed ignore comments like "your the son of a terrost whore" and "I wish your mom (his sick mom that is) a hard death" (assuming it's true that that happened), made by such an animal (world wide known as one of the nastiest players) and you could actually pretend like nothing happened and would just walk away.

But I know I couldn't! If someone would make such a comment about my sick mother, the first thing that comes in my mind is my lovely mother, not the importance of the game in the last 9 minutes!

If you watch the clip again, you'll see that Zidane actually laughed and walked away after Materazzi's first comments, but I guess his last comment was too nasty to act like nothing happened.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not. No one can tell.
All I know is that sometimes (for me in 99.99% of the cases) pride/gheyrat whatever you wanna call it, is much more important than whatever in life.

I'd even give my life for my pride, let alone the last 9 minutes of a football match (even if it's the WC final!)!!

[faraz]

lol, well Amin jan, you are right...it's purely a difference of opinions.

let me tell you a story.

i was playing for my school once against this other team and my position is behind the 2 strikers as a central attacking mid. the dude who was covering me seemed very fragile and looked as if he'd react so I thought, okay, i'm gonna start pissing this guy off.

so we're running and such, and I didn't say a word, but i'd pull his shirt once in awhile just to remind him that i'm there. after about the 3rd or 4th time, he stopped and said

"if you pull on my shirt again, i'll kill you"

so i automatically pulled on his shirt again (notice, i have not said a WORD)

he didn't do anything.

so then i said

"i thought you were gonna kill me?..."

and he said "just wait.."

so the ball came to me, and i was just shielding the ball with my body so he completely took me out from behind a got a yellow.

i just picked myself up and said

"nicely done"

his reply was:

"just like i did your mother last night"

and then, i laughed...i laughed really loudly too, so he was so damn annoyed, he was about to punch me or something.

so the next time i got the ball, i slipped it past him and ran by him, and again, he took me out from behind, got a red, and we ended up scoring 3 goals thereafter and won the game by that exact score, 3-0.

now, had i reacted to his comment and beat the living sh*t out of him, what good would that do? he's a nobody who has no clue who i am and he's talking about my mother, BIG FREAKIN DEAL.

if a friend of mine insults my mother, that is a different story, but if it's someone who i just don't care about, i'll walk away without even thinking twice b/c it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I knew he was trying to get back at me for pissing him off about the shirt, and i just laughed in his face.

anyway,

that is the only time that a real altercation had ever occurred, but i not only won the battle, i also won the war.

I'd even give my life for my pride, let alone the last 9 minutes of a football match (even if it's the WC final!)!!

By the way, I think that this is even fine, because there is only YOU involved (of course, you're family as well).

whenever I get myself into these situations (and man, i've been in a bunch of them), i think, what will happen if i let my anger get the best of me? so say i go up to the guys, start fighting, and the guy pulls out a gun and shoots me. I personally wouldn't care b/c i've stood up for something that matters,

HOWEVER,

it is still selfish b/c i have a family at home who expects me to be there that night, and when they get that phone call that i have been shot due to some stupid comment here or there, it will break them apart and i don't want that.

of course, this is an extreme example and if you know you're area, the team, or the situation that you're in, you can obviously judge if you should make a move or not.

[kamyargb]

All I know is that sometimes (for me in 99.99% of the cases) pride/gheyrat whatever you wanna call it, is much more important than whatever in life.
I'd even give my life for my pride, let alone the last 9 minutes of a football match (even if it's the WC final!)!!

Don't forget man, pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

[morti]

ok guys, the news says what happened, zidane started it he deserved whatever mattie said

[faraz]

ok guys, the news says what happened, zidane started it he deserved whatever mattie said

I actually think the comment he made was kinda funny...
Materazzi should have laughed it off...I would've definitely loved to have his shirt at the end of the game