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[soniq]

Goalie: Gian Luigi Buffon

Right back: Eboue

Central Defender: Cannavaro

Central Defender: Gallas

Left back: VanBronckHorst

Right Midfield: Frank Ribery

Central Midfield: Pirlo

Attacking mid: Kaka

Left mid: Ronaldinho

Forward: Thierry Henry

Forward: Etoo

Coach: Arsene Wenger

Daymn Arsenal has 6 nominees in 10 categories

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---------------Buffon-------------------
-------Terry-----------Cannavaro-------
--Zambrotta---------------------Lahm--
----------------Pirlo--------------------
------Gerrard------------Ronaldinho----
-----------------Kaka-----------------
---------Eto'o------------Klose-------

[futbol>>>IRAN]

not more than kaka..

too many individual players in a team is not such a good thing!

somtimes you need players which can get everyone involved I can gaurantee if Deco played for Brasil they would have done so much better at the wc. Having said that i think kaka is one of the best around today.

btw deco won midfielder of the year in europe club competition * wink * wink

[yashar_fasihnia]

too many individual players in a team is not such a good thing!
somtimes you need players which can get everyone involved I can gaurantee if Deco played for Brasil they would have done so much better at the wc. Having said that i think kaka is one of the best around today.
btw deco won midfielder of the year in europe club competition * wink * wink

and im sure if kaka wasnt playing for brazil, brazil's worldcup campaign would be even worse...
he saved brazil many times, specially in the first game against croatia when brazil was clearly deadlocked...

he is saving ac milan almost single handedly when the whole team is doing crap and not scoring...


sorry, but im pretty sure 95% of the people who would choose deco over kaka are biased, either are portugal fans, or barca fans or just deco fans..


not to mention, while kaka is much younger than deco and is only 24 while deco is already 29, kaka has a much better physique, has played more international games and has scored more goals than deco

deco can not single handedly make a team win, but kaka can! atleast, not as good as kaka! big difference

and btw, kaka won the best european midfielder last year *wink,wink*

P.S. i wonder why brazil national team didnt call up deco but called up kaka, deco had to look for other options like portugal then!

[futbol>>>IRAN]

and btw, kaka won the best european midfielder last year *wink,wink*
P.S. i wonder why brazil national team didnt call up deco but called up kaka, deco had to look for other options like portugal then!

actually ur wrong deco was the one who won midfielder of the year. check ur facts. and i am nor a barca fan or a portugal fan, i support brasil and real madrid i just happen to like deco's game.

and i never said deco is better than kaka but somtimes to have the best team doesn't mean having the best players what matters is how they work together. The thing about deco is that he is an influencial player he knows how to get the best out of his teammates when they are not performing. If you ask any barcelona player or portuguese they will say deco is the most important player on the team not because of his skill but because of his leadership qualities and mentality. He may not be skillfully as good as kaka but he is definately more smarter (he reads the game better) and gets everyone involved.

also your last comment was pathetic, are you suggesting that if deco wanted to play for brazil he couldn't? The only reason deco plays for portugal is that he moved there in his early teens and he says that everything he is today he owes to potugal and he is eternally greatful for that.

[yashar_fasihnia]

actually ur wrong deco was the one who won midfielder of the year. check ur facts. and i am nor a barca fan or a portugal fan, i support brasil and real madrid i just happen to like deco's game.
and i never said deco is better than kaka but somtimes to have the best team doesn't mean having the best players what matters is how they work together. The thing about deco is that he is an influencial player he knows how to get the best out of his teammates when they are not performing. If you ask any barcelona player or portuguese they will say deco is the most important player on the team not because of his skill but because of his leadership qualities and mentality. He may not be skillfully as good as kaka but he is definately more smarter (he reads the game better) and gets everyone involved.
also your last comment was pathetic, are you suggesting that if deco wanted to play for brazil he couldn't? The only reason deco plays for portugal is that he moved there in his early teens and he says that everything he is today he owes to potugal and he is eternally greatful for that.

ok...
first of all,,, kaka won the european midfielder of the year in 2004-2005, that means not the current holder of the award but the previous season!
so ITS U who need to get his facts straight..

secondly, ofcourse portugueese fans will say deco, cos their other players arent any superstar, probably ronaldo will be deco's only competition..
figo is old and ineffecient, pauleta only scores in french league, rui costa is bench warmer now..
so ofcourse, they will say deco!

thirdly, my comment is not pathetic, u just dont seem to be informed enough about the whole situation..

deco played in brazil before he moved to benfica but never stayed there and went to some other portugueese club at the age of 19 or 20 or something! he used to play for corintihians in brazil league before that, so the brazilian staff and scouts knew about deco even after he moved to portugal and knew they could call him up for the brazilian national team!

deco upto the age of 26 wasnt even called up once to brazil national team to refuse the offer!! I dunno where u got this info that he could play for brazil if he wanted to!! i never knew u could play for ur national team even if ur not invited to!!

in 2003, he finally decided to play for portugal because he had obtained portuguese citzenship after playing in portugal for a long time and he had given up hope of brazil national team. but he waited and still didnt get any calls from brazil national team, so he decided to join portugueese team, partly because of the media who hyped him and supported this move, although he faced criticisms from his own team mates, even figo!!!

on the other hand, kaka was called to brazil national team in 2002 itself when he was only 20 years old!!!!

so that means, in 2002, the brazil national team preferred a 20 year old kaka over a 26 year old deco, and at that time, both of them were eligibile to play for brazil national team! u be the judge!

next time, do ur homework before calling other people's arguments pathetic

P.S. i never said ur a barca or portugal fan, i just said and i can prove it to u if i open a poll here itself in PFDC, that 95% of the voters who will vote for deco over kaka have some bias toward deco or portugal or barcelona or something..
Let me make it easy for u, try swapping deco and kaka in barca and milan! im sure u will agree with me milan's condition will become worse than wat it is now, while barcelona's condition will either improve or atleast remain the same! thats the difference between deco & kaka!

or even easier..kaka can be compared to the likes of roanldinho, but deco cant!!

[futbol>>>IRAN]

ok...
first of all,,, kaka won the european midfielder of the year in 2004-2005, that means not the current holder of the award but the previous season!
so ITS U who need to get his facts straight..
secondly, ofcourse portugueese fans will say deco, cos their other players arent any superstar, probably ronaldo will be deco's only competition..
figo is old and ineffecient, pauleta only scores in french league, rui costa is bench warmer now..
so ofcourse, they will say deco!
thirdly, my comment is not pathetic, u just dont seem to be informed enough about the whole situation..
deco played in brazil before he moved to benfica but never stayed there and went to some other portugueese club at the age of 19 or 20 or something! he used to play for corintihians in brazil league before that, so the brazilian staff and scouts knew about deco even after he moved to portugal and knew they could call him up for the brazilian national team!
deco upto the age of 26 wasnt even called up once to brazil national team to refuse the offer!! I dunno where u got this info that he could play for brazil if he wanted to!! i never knew u could play for ur national team even if ur not invited to!!
in 2003, he finally decided to play for portugal because he had obtained portuguese citzenship after playing in portugal for a long time and he had given up hope of brazil national team. but he waited and still didnt get any calls from brazil national team, so he decided to join portugueese team, partly because of the media who hyped him and supported this move, although he faced criticisms from his own team mates, even figo!!!
on the other hand, kaka was called to brazil national team in 2002 itself when he was only 20 years old!!!!
so that means, in 2002, the brazil national team preferred a 20 year old kaka over a 26 year old deco, and at that time, both of them were eligibile to play for brazil national team! u be the judge!
next time, do ur homework before calling other people's arguments pathetic
P.S. i never said ur a barca or portugal fan, i just said and i can prove it to u if i open a poll here itself in PFDC, that 95% of the voters who will vote for deco over kaka have some bias toward deco or portugal or barcelona or something..
Let me make it easy for u, try swapping deco and kaka in barca and milan! im sure u will agree with me milan's condition will become worse than wat it is now, while barcelona's condition will either improve or atleast remain the same! thats the difference between deco & kaka!
or even easier..kaka can be compared to the likes of roanldinho, but deco cant!!

right now and even a couple of years back deco would of been in the brazil squad as a starter. The problem with brazil is that there are too many good players to choose from and there is not always room for everybody.

trust me neither barca or milan would consider swapping the two players as they are vital to their respective clubs. If you are trying to say barca would swap deco for kaka you are dead wrong. Deco has been a vital player in barca's success in the past few years and that is why he is reigning european player of the year. Sometimes you just need a player that can put together simple passes and good crosses to someone who can shoot from 30 yards and score.

I dont think you seem to be getting the point and like babak said, for someone who left out henry in his team for klose you have some nerve pointing out that i left out kaka. I am willing to bet money that my team would be more effective than yours and that more ppl would like my team than yours

[yashar_fasihnia]

right now and even a couple of years back deco would of been in the brazil squad as a starter. The problem with brazil is that there are too many good players to choose from and there is not always room for everybody.

exactly! precisely my point! when brazil national team has place for a 20 year old kaka but doesnt have place for a 26 hear old deco, that explains everything!
and they are both competing for the same position, its not like we can say deco is unlucky because his position is filled with stars but in kaka's position, brazil lacks depth.

so, like u said, the few slots in brazil national team are taken by the better players, so there is no room for deco. guess who one of those better players is who has taken a slot in brazil national team? KAKA
i rest my case!

trust me neither barca or milan would consider swapping the two players as they are vital to their respective clubs. If you are trying to say barca would swap deco for kaka you are dead wrong. Deco has been a vital player in barca's success in the past few years and that is why he is reigning european player of the year. Sometimes you just need a player that can put together simple passes and good crosses to someone who can shoot from 30 yards and score.

i never said they will, and i accept ur argument about sometimes u need players to be able to make simple passes. its not like kaka doesnt have a passing game!
besides, i said, IMAGINE/IF deco and kaka are swapped, for sure milan's performance will go down even more because deco is not a type of player who can single handedly rescure a team, atleast not as much as kaka is.

I dont think you seem to be getting the point and like babak said, for someone who left out henry in his team for klose you have some nerve pointing out that i left out kaka. I am willing to bet money that my team would be more effective than yours and that more ppl would like my team than yours

ok, first of all, i dont see the relevance between me getting the point about ur deco-kaka argument with babak asking me why i left out henry for klose. sorry, this is just a logical fallacy with no real logical argument.

if u notice, babak is an arsenal fan and specifically a henry fan, it says it in his profile which automatically brings in some form of bias. but to me, im not a fan of kaka, deco, henry or klose. i dont support brazil, portugal, france or germany. i dont care about barcelona, milan, arsenal or werder bremen. thats the difference

if u wanna base ur conclusions on a third party's comment or team, then i suggest u take a look at the other members and their teams and u can notice:
1)ALL OF THEM, i repeat, ALL OF THEM, (Except u) have chosen KAKA OVER DECO! so according to ur logic, U DONT GET IT AT ALL, NOT EVEN ONE BIT, COS ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS WILL QUESTION U WHY U LEFT OUT KAKA FOR DECO??
2)Again, for not just u but also babak to notice, not all the members had henry included in their lineup which must say something. some members included him, some members didnt. Klose too, some members included him, some didnt! and guess wat, they are not as biased as babak because they are not arsenal or henry fans! So i dont think im so wrong afterall!
On the other hand, no single member (except u) failed to drop kaka from his team for deco, or any other candidate for that matter again, i let u to be ur own judge

secondly, like i told him, henry hasnt been on top form lately, he has even been relegated to a bench warmer at times..


and yes, im sure ur not only willing ur money but also ur whole life and everything u own on ur team beating my team simply because u know the possbility of my team facing urs in real life is 0%. very brave of u!
im willing to bet not only mine but also my family's wealth and life that my team will beat ur team in real life!
and about more people liking ur team over mine, should i remind u that no one person in here failed to drop kaka from his team, forget picking deco! so yea, that should give u an idea how much they would like ur team over mine

[futbol>>>IRAN]

you cant really say that deco wouldn't improve milan's situation until it actually happens so I dont approve of that comment of yours.

you are really comparing apples to oranges. You simply cannot compare deco to kaka as they are different types of players with different abilities that is what makes a player so unique and that is what makes a team great. If every player on one team all did the same thing do you think that team would be credible? We all know too much of anything is not good!

Also you said that brazil's squad was taken by better players preventing deco from playing for brasil, what bs! You speak to any brasilian as I have talked to many and they will all tell you that deco deserves to be and would be a starter for brazil if he had decided to play for the salecao. Deco could have easily tooken spot of ze roberto or emerson for brasil's 2006 WC campaign.

Ronaldinho, Messi, Puyol and almost the whole of the Barcelona squad all admit that Deco is the most important player on the team because he keeps things together, in other words he is the processor and the others are the harddrive or memory.

[yashar_fasihnia]

you cant really say that deco wouldn't improve milan's situation until it actually happens so I dont approve of that comment of yours.

i accept ur argument, true, but i was talking about probablities from wat u and me have seen of deco, kaka and milan.

you are really comparing apples to oranges. You simply cannot compare deco to kaka as they are different types of players with different abilities that is what makes a player so unique and that is what makes a team great. If every player on one team all did the same thing do you think that team would be credible? We all know too much of anything is not good!

im sorry but if comparing 2 AM is like comparin apples and oranges to u, then i dunno wat to say
i guess UEFA too is comparing apples and oranges for placing them in the same category right?
bro, all players are unique in the world. no 2 players are exactly alike, but as long as they play in the same position, they can and should be compared because its comparison which decides who should be in the team, and who shouldnt. thats exactly wat the brazil national team did when the picked kaka over deco.
and infact, its exactly wat u did when u picked henry over klose. wat, do these 2 guys have the same playing style? so why did u pick henry over klose? by ur logic, u were comparing apples and oranges as well

Also you said that brazil's squad was taken by better players preventing deco from playing for brasil, what bs! You speak to any brasilian as I have talked to many and they will all tell you that deco deserves to be and would be a starter for brazil if he had decided to play for the salecao. Deco could have easily tooken spot of ze roberto or emerson for brasil's 2006 WC campaign.
Ronaldinho, Messi, Puyol and almost the whole of the Barcelona squad all admit that Deco is the most important player on the team because he keeps things together, in other words he is the processor.

bro... u dont need to talk to a brazilian to understand deco could be a good addition to the team. u ask them about etoo and they will say we dont mind having etoo in our team as well. ask them about buffon, or any other superstar. (ofcourse, in reality they are not brazilians, so its not possible but assuming they have the option of playing for brazil) anyone in the world would want his team to comprise of superstars! this is not an argument. nobody denied deco's abilities and him being a good player. but the question is would he be preferred over kaka??

try asking ur brazilian friends (or anyone for that matter)this, would u like to drop out kaka and take deco instead! then come and talk!

bro, barcelona totally depends on ronaldinho and etoo more than they do on deco...
u look at barca's game, i dont remmeber which one it was, but it was recent, oh yea, against chelsea where boulahrouz totally nullified him, and barca couldnt do crap!
barca has lost etoo and even messi, and see how their perofrmance has become poor!
sorry my friend, but u take away deco from barca, the blow wont be as damagin as much as it would if u took away etoo or ronaldinho from it.

and now kaka, look at milan's miserable performance, kaka has single handedly almost always saved the team recently. u remove kaka from the team, milan would sink to the bottom of the table!

but i think its u who is mixing things up, we are not talking about the importance of deco to barcelona or kaka ot milan, we are talking about COMPARING DECO TO KAKA AND PICKING ONLY 1 OF THEM OVER THE OTHER!

and again, deco could have taken ze roberto's place or emerson's place?
first of all, these 2 played in more of a defensive midfield area rather than offense in brazil. deco is an offensive player, im not sure how ur suggestin he could take their place in the midfield. and in offense, u got kaka and ronaldinho, so again, no place for deco!
secondly, if he could, why didnt the brazil national team invite him when they had the chance, all the way upto when deco became 26 years old and decided to play for portugal??

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My final argument: infact, u can ignore everything else, just read this...

bro, let me make it simple for u, if deco could replace ze roberto and emerson, why didnt the brazil national team even OFFER HIM a call?? deco became 27 years old but still the brazilian COACHES didnt invite him to brazil national squad! in 2003, he gave up waiting for brazil and joined portugueese national team because they wanted him UNLIKE BRAZIL!!! WHY??
but they did invite a 20 year old kaka to the team, the same year (2002)
WHY??

This last paragraph explains everything..
im not continuing this discussion anymore because its crystal clear who is better and more effective, and its not just my opinion, its the brazilian's coaches opinion (which im sorry to say i would pick over urs anyday).
deco is a good player, nobody denies that but to pick him over kaka is "maskhare"