Formula 1 Thread

[Ali]

Lol i dont really like Formula 1- i mean it shows it here on sat-sun a lot (live)but i never watch them. i only really liked M Shumakher and he retired! lol how is it interesting to watch some cars go up and down a racecourse 50 times?oh well i guess the cars are cool and stuff-0h well u guys enjoy supporting it!

[Masoud_A]

We really needed this 1-2, and for the first time we didnt encounter an unlucky situation. If we get the next 1-2 its gonna be one hell of a championship race.

[Masoud_A]

And btw

[Masoud_A]

FERRARI!

[Shahin K]

yeah!

[Hadi]

lol 1-2 for mclaren in Italy!

say goodbye to the title Ferrari fans

[Masoud_A]

lol 1-2 for mclaren in Italy!

say goodbye to the title Ferrari fans

lol, you aint following the news? you cheaters are going down by the court

[Mr Pouya]

mclaren is fked lol come on ferrari

[Hadi]

Italians are losers.

They are losing the championship for the third year and they are creating all this propoganda that Mclaren has cheated.

It is obvious even if some employees over at Mclaren got some info from a Ferrai employee (who apparently offered them to Mclaren), Mclaren didn't use any of it in designing their 2007 car.

Mclaren is a class apart this year and Ferrari has to accept it.

[Masoud_A]

Italians are losers.

They are losing the championship for the third year and they are creating all this propoganda that Mclaren has cheated.

It is obvious even if some employees over at Mclaren got some info from a Ferrai employee (who apparently offered them to Mclaren), Mclaren didn't use any of it in designing their 2007 car.

Mclaren is a class apart this year and Ferrari has to accept it.

Thats your story but the truth is:
Mclaren bribed our technician and stole an 800 page technical information about our cars and then paid him to sabotage our cars before quitting his job.
So it was Mclaren who couldnt compete with Ferrari designers so they had to enter the dirty part of the game.

[Mr Pouya]

Italians are losers.

They are losing the championship for the third year and they are creating all this propoganda that Mclaren has cheated.

It is obvious even if some employees over at Mclaren got some info from a Ferrai employee (who apparently offered them to Mclaren), Mclaren didn't use any of it in designing their 2007 car.

Mclaren is a class apart this year and Ferrari has to accept it.

mclaren just like to win to be the best but ferrari has passion for racing and has had for many years, i think ferrari r in the class of there own but i really felt sorry for ron dennis when he went on the podium on monza, the only reason mclaren are successful is all up2 ron

[Shahin K]

mclaren cheated, just wait for tommorow

[Hadi]

1- Mclaren is not a newcomer to F1. They are a historical team with many championships under their belt. So they have a completely exclusive system for running things their own way. I don't see the need for a team like Mclaren to deliberately steal a rival's secret info. Especially by a professional and devoted man like Ron Dennis.

2-If Mclaren has "copied" ferrari, they should be equal or a bit slower than them. But how come they are outclassing them as far as the performance of their car is concerned??? And who can ignore the very obvious aerodynamical differences between the Ferrari and Mclaen cars this year. It is obvious that there is no similarity. Trust me, if Ferrari has a way of running things and designing cars, Mclaren have their very own too.

[Mr Pouya]

1- Mclaren is not a newcomer to F1. They are a historical team with many championships under their belt. So they have a completely exclusive system for running things their own way. I don't see the need for a team like Mclaren to deliberately steal a rival's secret info. Especially by a professional and devoted man like Ron Dennis.
2-If Mclaren has "copied" ferrari, they should be equal or a bit slower than them. But how come they are outclassing them as far as the performance of their car is concerned??? And who can ignore the very obvious aerodynamical differences between the Ferrari and Mclaen cars this year. It is obvious that there is no similarity. Trust me, if Ferrari has a way of running things and designing cars, Mclaren have their very own too.

bro all these facts u gave ware the sort of stuff a 12 year old would say, its the technical stuff, there not that dumb to copy the whole car and the areo system and in f1 the cars speed and performance of a car is not sustainable that can be carried in every race.

[Masoud_A]

CHEATERS SHOULD BURN IN HELL
Coughlan, De la Rosa, Alonso shared data obtained from Stepney
A number of McLaren employees - including Pedro de la Rosa and Fernando Alonso - knew about the team’s unauthorised possession of confidential Ferrari information, and some intended to use that information in the team’s own testing.

That was among the findings of the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council (WMSC), which published its full judgement on Friday afternoon following its decision to strip McLaren of their 2007 constructors' points and fine the team $100 million.

The findings contradict previous claims from McLaren that the Ferrari data had not spread beyond suspended chief designer Mike Coughlan, who allegedly received it from former Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney.

In its judgement, the Council cites evidence of ongoing communications between Coughlan and Stepney, as well as between Coughlan and McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa, who the FIA claim “requested and received secret Ferrari information from a source which he knew to be illegitimate” and shared that information with world champion Fernando Alonso.

Emails between Coughlan, de la Rosa and Alonso formed part of the new evidence that prompted Thursday’s second hearing into the affair. July’s original hearing had found McLaren in breach of the International Sporting Code, but had not sanctioned the team due to lack of evidence.

The emails covered topics such as the weight distribution and braking system of Ferrari’s car, a flexible rear wing design and a gas used by the Italian team to inflate its tyres. They also suggested that Stepney had fed Coughlan real-time information on Ferrari’s pit stop strategy in this year’s Australian Grand Prix.

According to the Council, “The e-mails show unequivocally that both Mr. Alonso and Mr. de la Rosa received confidential Ferrari information via Coughlan; that both drivers knew that this information was confidential Ferrari information and that both knew that the information was being received by Coughlan from Stepney.”. In submitting their evidence, de la Rosa and Alonso were granted immunity from any personal sanctions.

The other new evidence related to communications between Coughlan and Stepney, which, according to reports from the Italian police, was of a far greater level than the Council had previously thought, leading it to conclude that Coughlan “was in receipt of a flow of confidential Ferrari information from Stepney.”

According to the Council, the new evidence makes clear that:

"...Coughlan had more information than previously appreciated and was receiving information in a systematic manner over a period of months;
- the information has been disseminated, at least to some degree (e.g. to Mr. de la Rosa and Mr. Alonso), within the McLaren team;
- the information being disseminated within the McLaren team included not only highly sensitive technical information but also secret information regarding Ferrari’s sporting strategy;
- Mr de la Rosa, in the performance of his functions at McLaren, requested and received secret Ferrari information from a source which he knew to be illegitimate and expressly stated that the purpose of his request was to run tests in the simulator;
- the secret information in question was shared with Mr. Alonso;
- there was a clear intention on the part of a number of McLaren personnel to use some of the Ferrari confidential information in its own testing. If this was not in fact carried into effect it was only because there were technical reasons not to do so;
- Coughlan’s role within McLaren (as now understood by the WMSC) put him in a position in which his knowledge of the secret Ferrari information would have influenced him in the performance of his duties."

The Council concluded that “some degree of sporting advantage was obtained, though it may forever be impossible to quantify that advantage in concrete terms.”