Bayern Munich Fan thread

[shayan20]

if Bayern had held on to Lucio they would have been a very solid team.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Dari ****her migi baba, hamin alanesh Buffon ro begirim ham nemitoonim CL ghahreman shim alaki maghlate nakon. Team dare yavash yavash mohre migire bayad ba amsale Heuness be hamin razi bood.

mage man goftam GHAHREMANIYE CL?? zere alaki mizani chera? kasi ke dare maghalte mikone toyi! man goftam IF WE WANT TO GO HIGHER THAN JUST QUARTER FINALS!!!
dar zemn, age ma yeki mesle buffon dashtim, va masalan lucio dashtim ya ye defaye alli bejash miyovordim na in van buytene ashghal, shayad mitunestim ye semi final ya hatta finals appearance hadeaghal dashte bashim bad az chand saal!

manam daghigan migaam, chun ribery sale dige dare mire, bayad forsate emsalo estefade mikardim, makhsusan vaghti sale pishe hameye azaye bayern didan ke be ye GK ehtiyaj darim behtar az rensing & butt

[maniei]

we also have one of the best fullbacks in the world but so wat? how far can they take us? specially with robben being so injury prone and ribery leaving us next year? if we want to do something, this year is our only major opportunity!
robbern and ribery have to break through the likes of terry, chiellini, ferdinand and puyol, while messi, kaka, torres,ronaldo and zlatan have to break through the likes of daniel van buyten and badstuber!
another quarter finals exit (at best) in champions league is wat u want?

dont understimate badstuber.
he is one of the most promising german defenders. he is only 20
demichelis will be back soon, and whats wrong with giving the youth a run in that time?

robben was bought because without him bayern wouldnt have had a functioning game.
ribery is not a playmaker. the other option would have been to buy a real playmaker and play ribery on the wings.
but bayern got the exact complementary player to ribery. now bayern can play 4222 and 433 very well and doesnt even need a playmaker.
these two offensive midfielder can be replaced pretty well, whereas the loss of the playmaker is always very bitter.


besides the cl ko-phase bayern always plays against much weaker teams, that defend with eleven men.
thats why the creativity thing is very important for bayern.
now bayern actually has a plan to crack these defenses

[BacheLot]

if Bayern had held on to Lucio they would have been a very solid team.

yea
that surprised the hell out of me..!!
considering their defense was already on shaky grounds and their keepers wasnt anything to write home about either..!! i figured it must have been a financial decision, trying to deal with staying on the black and then they turn around and drop 30 mil. on gomez, when he is worth at most half of that..!!?

i also believe that solid championship teams are primarily built from the back, you could have all the offensive powers in the world, but if you give up gooozy goals like in TM, due to tokhmy keepers and weak defending, it will soon kill the fight back spirit of your whole team...!!
the only issue is that defenders usually dont sell tickets and cant buy fans as easy as forwards and AMs..!! look at some of the top euro teams of late, ManU, Barcelona, chelsea and they are for most part solid as rock on the backline and have some of the best keepers in the world protecting their nets. but noone really mentions their names when they win trophies ..!

i dont even have much faith in Real making it far in CL, with their current defense and the ease at which they give up goals..!! much less for byern..!!
and like yashi said since Byern have already stepped out of their elements and dropped big $$ so far, then may as well spend some more and attain at least one solid leader style CD and and an above average DM/CM+(i am sure Balack can be lured back for less than 20mil) a more solid GK,perhaps , so that they can at least make a legit run at the CL, which is the main thing they have been yearning for since AK was there..!! lets face it ...Byern slowly are loosing their Elite status in Europe and outside of some fans in Germany nobody really gives a crap about another Bundesliga title or the cup..!! besides i am pretty sure Frankie will be out of there next year, unless you guys make a legitimate effort to become competitive at CL level..!!

[Masoud_A]

mage man goftam GHAHREMANIYE CL?? zere alaki mizani chera? kasi ke dare maghalte mikone toyi! man goftam IF WE WANT TO GO HIGHER THAN JUST QUARTER FINALS!!!
dar zemn, age ma yeki mesle buffon dashtim, va masalan lucio dashtim ya ye defaye alli bejash miyovordim na in van buytene ashghal, shayad mitunestim ye semi final ya hatta finals appearance hadeaghal dashte bashim bad az chand saal!
manam daghigan migaam, chun ribery sale dige dare mire, bayad forsate emsalo estefade mikardim, makhsusan vaghti sale pishe hameye azaye bayern didan ke be ye GK ehtiyaj darim behtar az rensing & butt

If we had held on to Lucio and had buffon and a perfect defender, then we would shurely be CL champions dude, you are exaggerating the strength of other teams man. it doesnt need that hell of a stars to make a final appearance.

[yashar_fasihnia]

dont understimate badstuber.
he is one of the most promising german defenders. he is only 20
demichelis will be back soon, and whats wrong with giving the youth a run in that time?
robben was bought because without him bayern wouldnt have had a functioning game.
ribery is not a playmaker. the other option would have been to buy a real playmaker and play ribery on the wings.
but bayern got the exact complementary player to ribery. now bayern can play 4222 and 433 very well and doesnt even need a playmaker.
these two offensive midfielder can be replaced pretty well, whereas the loss of the playmaker is always very bitter.
besides the cl ko-phase bayern always plays against much weaker teams, that defend with eleven men.
thats why the creativity thing is very important for bayern.
now bayern actually has a plan to crack these defenses

i am not underestimating badstuber, i know he is a great talent.
we brought him and muller from our youth program and both have been promising.
infact i prefer badstuber over van buyten.
but like u said, he is only 20 and no matter how much potential he has, he still hasnt matured up and needs more experience to be able to play infront of the worlds best strikers.

demichellis will return but after last seasons performance, we cant say we 100% rely on him. while 2 seasons back, he was arguably one of our best players, last season, he was indeed one of our weakest players.

u remember the barcelona - bayern game at camp nou last season. we had demichellis and breno as our defenders and the same GKs!

there is nothing wrong with giving youth some play time, i am totally fine with it. i really wanted toni kroos to stay with us and i really hope muller gets more play time, but putting a youth player and a mediocre defender like van buyten in the heart of defense means another CL campaign for bayern = quarter finals at best! we dont know how demichellis is going to be on his return and frankly after last seasons disaster performance, i cant say i feel safe with him and badstuber. one is too inexperienced, the other is inconsistent.

as for switching from 4-2-2-2 to 4-3-3, u are right, it doesnt require a play maker and i didnt disagree with that. infact, i am happy with robben joining us, but i would have been even happier if sneijder had joined us instead for 2 reasons:
1)u can never count on robben to play a full season. he is always getting injured. much like our mojtaba jabbari.
2)we already have some midfielders who can play on the wings. players like ribery, schweinsteiger, altintop, pranjic... not all of them are as good as robben, but they are decent enough. on the other hand, we dont have a number 10 player at all in the team! van gaal himself said he had plans of playing ribery as our number 10 but ribery officially said he can play his best when he plays along the line. schweinsteiger also cant perform as a number 10. so in other words, we dont have a number 10 player and this way, our team only has to attack from the wings which makes our team very uni dimensional! in other words, if we face an opponent who can stop our wings, we are basically screwed and impotent.
on the other hand, if we had someone like sneijder instead of robben, we could use him to penetrate through the center of their defense, while at the same time use ribery and say schweinsteger to attack the sides. this would pressurize the opponent much more, and we are not putting all our eggs in one basket. we could switch between tactics, we could use different areas of their defense to attack and find their weak point and accrodingly pressurize them from there.


again i repeat, all this discussions depend on wat our aim is this season. if we want to repeat another CL quarter finals and get knocked out, then yea, this team can probably go that far... but if its time we showed some improvement ever since 2001, then this was one of our best opportunities...

[yashar_fasihnia]

If we had held on to Lucio and had buffon and a perfect defender, then we would shurely be CL champions dude, you are exaggerating the strength of other teams man. it doesnt need that hell of a stars to make a final appearance.

and who disagreed with this statement?

u were saying if we had buffon (only, u didnt mention lucio or any other good defender), we still wouldnt have been champions and thats when i said who talked about championship, i was just talking about improvement.

if we had bought someone like buffon or even frey from fiorentina for example, and kept lucio atleast, then i would be very optimistic about the team and anything less than a semi finals appearance would be extremely disappointing.

but the truth is we didnt do any of these, and so, i am not at all exaggerating the strenght of other teams when i say with this team, we are aiming for another quarter finals exit at best... we dont need stars, but we need solid players. someone like van buyten is not solid at all, infact he is overrated! the problem is our defense is too shaky at the moment and that is nullifying our strong offense.

read the previous posts of urs and mines again.

[Masoud_A]

Seems like we be aiming to buy Akiniev (Russia's keeper) on january. You like it Yashar?

[yashar_fasihnia]

i have read some reviews, he seems good, he is a bit young which means inexperienced, but at the same time, a long term investment with great potential who has already proven himself in big games before.

sebiastan frey was my ideal choice but this guy seems very good too. im glad we are not buying another bundesliga talent like neurer or adler, im tired of this whole recycling process. its time we get some good talents from other leagues as well. the dutch, portugueese and french league specially have a lot of semi matured to fully matured talented players who dont have the problem of settling down or assimilating in europe compared to the south american players who first come to europe.


i still cant get over the fact we paid 30million for mario gomez when we could have paid that money to get atleast 1 very good defender and 1 very good striker and maybe even van der vart! for gods sake...we got robben for 25 million, but mario gomez for 30!!!

nevertheless, we have to wait and see if it goes through or not. we have been linked with so many GKs recently but none went through!

[Nariman]

Amazing, 5 - 1 vs Dortmund!!

[yashar_fasihnia]

i watched the game live, 1st half we sucked.
second half ribery came in for gomez and muller came in for altintop and we changed 180 degrees!

this thomas muller is a great talent!
altintop has been sucking for a long time now....

[shayan20]

oliver kahn tribute. its in german though.

http://www.fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136975

[Nariman]

Butt is amazing!
He saved two pen. in one match!


Anyway I dont think it was such a bad game.
I mean Ribery and Robben were missing and Bayern was playing with 10 men and later only with 9!
Toni even almost scored!!

[yashar_fasihnia]

expected lacklustre performance by us and we totally deserved to lose!
people can have all kind of wet dreams about having robben and ribery like they have been doing here, but reality is they are always injured, specially robben.

and as a result, we have no creativity at all

like i said, at best, we will have another quarter finals exit which has been the case for now 6 7 years

[PSGman#19]

expected lacklustre performance by us and we totally deserved to lose!
people can have all kind of wet dreams about having robben and ribery like they have been doing here, but reality is they are always injured, specially robben.
and as a result, we have no creativity at all
like i said, at best, we will have another quarter finals exit which has been the case for now 6 7 years