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بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده
bayern is a shit club, they ruined all the talents we sent them!
dont make a joke out of urself with this comment...
Originally posted by siavasharian
ESTEGHLAL:
بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده
dont make a joke out of urself with this comment...
lets go..
bayern does not encourage beautiful football, they play a very boring systematic german style of football. Thats why Germany never produces many talents anymore. The only world class player they have is Ballack! This kid may go to Bayern but he will not devolop his skill as much as he could if he went to either spain or italy.
Had Karimi gone to Spain, Italy, France, Portugal or even Holland he would have devoloped his skill much more and his game wouldn't have declined so much!!
lets go..
bayern does not encourage beautiful football, they play a very boring systematic german style of football. Thats why Germany never produces many talents anymore. The only world class player they have is Ballack! This kid may go to Bayern but he will not devolop his skill as much as he could if he went to either spain or italy.
Had Karimi gone to Spain, Italy, France, Portugal or even Holland he would have devoloped his skill much more and his game wouldn't have declined so much!!
ok, lets go.
so kahn, lucio, sagnol, lahm, schweinsteiger, hargreaves, ze roberto, deisler, podolski were not worldclass right? and now, ribery, toni, van bommel, klose are not world class either huh?
please show me how many worldclass players teams like liverpool, porto, ajax, lyon have who play beautiful football or come from countries who encourage "beautiful football".
if u wanna talk about systematic tactical games of germans, its the whole of germany not bayern alone. and mind u, german national team as well as its clubs have won a lot of trophies and recognition, much more than many of ur beautiful playing football teams like spain or portugal or england or even holland!
on top of that, just because karimi couldnt fit into bayern doesnt mean bayern is the problem. how come many other players are successful in germany and in bayern???
and please dude, of all the people, u pick karimi as an example??? the guy is lazy and not dedicated enough.
just because our players are not of the highest level to play in the highest leve of clubs, doesnt mean the problem is with the club.
if anything u as an iranian should be grateful to german teams and bundesliga for openning their doors to iranian players.
compare it with thedutch league, the french league, the spanish league, the english league, the italian league!!! how much have our iranian players benefitted from these leagues??? please dont give me ando and nekounam as examples cos it was just after the worldcup 2006 (just 1 year back) 1 iranian player could make it in to a mid-bottom table team of each of these leagues! iranian footballers got recognition in the world and in professional football after they went to bundesliga in the late 90s!!!
stop being so ungrateful and think before u speak!
Originally posted by siavasharian
ESTEGHLAL:
بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده
ok, lets go.
so kahn, lucio, sagnol, lahm, schweinsteiger, hargreaves, ze roberto, deisler, podolski were not worldclass right? and now, ribery, toni, van bommel, klose are not world class either huh?
please show me how many worldclass players teams like liverpool, porto, ajax, lyon have who play beautiful football or come from countries who encourage "beautiful football".
if u wanna talk about systematic tactical games of germans, its the whole of germany not bayern alone. and mind u, german national team as well as its clubs have won a lot of trophies and recognition, much more than many of ur beautiful playing football teams like spain or portugal or england or even holland!
on top of that, just because karimi couldnt fit into bayern doesnt mean bayern is the problem. how come many other players are successful in germany and in bayern???
and please dude, of all the people, u pick karimi as an example??? the guy is lazy and not dedicated enough.
just because our players are not of the highest level to play in the highest leve of clubs, doesnt mean the problem is with the club.
if anything u as an iranian should be grateful to german teams and bundesliga for openning their doors to iranian players.
compare it with thedutch league, the french league, the spanish league, the english league, the italian league!!! how much have our iranian players benefitted from these leagues??? please dont give me ando and nekounam as examples cos it was just after the worldcup 2006 (just 1 year back) 1 iranian player could make it in to a mid-bottom table team of each of these leagues! iranian footballers got recognition in the world and in professional football after they went to bundesliga in the late 90s!!!
stop being so ungrateful and think before u speak!
you cannot honestly tell me that bayern plays the most attractive football in europe.
I'm not sticking up for Karimi all and I accept that he is a lazy bastard. All I am saying is that you could tell the instant difference with Karimi's dribbling game after he joined Bayern. He was certainly playing a different systematic style of game. In short they killed his talent, whereas in the league's I mentioned he could have further improved his game as those league's produce some of the best and most exiting talents in the world.
I believe that the three Iranian players that played for Bayern could have improved their game and succeeded far more had they played in better league's for better clubs that encourage beautiful football. I would have much rather seen Karimi in a team like AC Milan, Porto, Lyon, Real or even PSV.
Germany may have won more championships than the countries I mentioned, however I like my football to be played in a certain style and certain way. And why do you mention england I never mentioned england, I dont like their style of football and if it weren't for the foreign influence in that league it would be rubbish.
you cannot honestly tell me that bayern plays the most attractive football in europe.
I'm not sticking up for Karimi all and I accept that he is a lazy bastard. All I am saying is that you could tell the instant difference with Karimi's dribbling game after he joined Bayern. He was certainly playing a different systematic style of game. In short they killed his talent, whereas in the league's I mentioned he could have further improved his game as those league's produce some of the best and most exiting talents in the world.
I believe that the three Iranian players that played for Bayern could have improved their game and succeeded far more had they played in better league's for better clubs that encourage beautiful football. I would have much rather seen Karimi in a team like AC Milan, Porto, Lyon, Real or even PSV.
Germany may have won more championships than the countries I mentioned, however I like my football to be played in a certain style and certain way. And why do you mention england I never mentioned england, I dont like their style of football and if it weren't for the foreign influence in that league it would be rubbish.
and i honestly didnt say bayern plays the most attractive football.
there is no guarantee karimi would have played more or any better in milan or porto or lyon or real.
there is no guarantee he would get any play time at all and that would worsen him even more.
his dirbbling became worse, whether it was because of bayern or not i dunno, but i do know that he learnt to play team football and defend in bayern.
u like ur football to be played in a certain way, thats ur opinion, if others have different opinion than urs, that doesnt make their opinion about their clubs or style of football shit like u said.
about england, i just mentioned other top footballing countries which u were talking about, if england wasnt one of them, thats fine, sorry for me including it but u still get the point regarding the other leagues.
and just to counter ur example,
one of the best talents of the world, rated higher than kaka and robinho was diego. he went to porto, wat happened to him? he sucked and eventually relegated to the bench. now he plays in werder bremen and is doing magic there including in champions league.
Originally posted by siavasharian
ESTEGHLAL:
بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده
and i honestly didnt say bayern plays the most attractive football.
there is no guarantee karimi would have played more or any better in milan or porto or lyon or real.
there is no guarantee he would get any play time at all and that would worsen him even more.
his dirbbling became worse, whether it was because of bayern or not i dunno, but i do know that he learnt to play team football and defend in bayern.
u like ur football to be played in a certain way, thats ur opinion, if others have different opinion than urs, that doesnt make their opinion about their clubs or style of football shit like u said.
about england, i just mentioned other top footballing countries which u were talking about, if england wasnt one of them, thats fine, sorry for me including it but u still get the point regarding the other leagues.
and just to counter ur example,
one of the best talents of the world, rated higher than kaka and robinho was diego. he went to porto, wat happened to him? he sucked and eventually relegated to the bench. now he plays in werder bremen and is doing magic there including in champions league.
I dont know wether or not Karimi would have got more playing time at Milan or Porto etc. But I do know that their style of football would of been more suited to Karimi's game as they nurture individual much talent better. Karimi and Bayern go together like chocolate and mustard! Kaka came through the ranks at Milan and perhaps Diego would have been as good at such a club. Diego is an exeption but I wonder how long more he will stay in Germany. We dont know what happened behind the scenes with Diego and Porto, perhaps he didn't get along with the coach or he wasn't given a good chance. But you see that Porto is a world class team and produce many great talents such as Anderson, Quaresma, Deco...
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