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    #16
    Originally posted by futbol>>>IRAN View Post
    I dont know wether or not Karimi would have got more playing time at Milan or Porto etc. But I do know that their style of football would of been more suited to Karimi's game as they nurture individual much talent better. Karimi and Bayern go together like chocolate and mustard! Kaka came through the ranks at Milan and perhaps Diego would have been as good at such a club. Diego is an exeption but I wonder how long more he will stay in Germany. We dont know what happened behind the scenes with Diego and Porto, perhaps he didn't get along with the coach or he wasn't given a good chance. But you see that Porto is a world class team and produce many great talents such as Anderson, Quaresma, Deco...
    exactly my point, just because karimi's style doesnt suit bayern doesnt mean bayern is a shit team.
    how come so many other players fit so well in bayern then?
    good u admitted it.

    about karimi being successful in other clubs, i dunno, but i doubt it primarliy because of his laziness and his inability to mingle well with others.

    diego is an example, not an exception.
    rivaldo in milan?? wat happened to rivaldo after he went to milan? totally forgotten, so wat, now milan is a shit club too cos rivaldo isnt the same anymore?
    didnt kleberson flop in man utd as well?
    wat about denilson in la liga??? the dude was one of the best dribblers in the world!
    baptista in arsenal? wat happened to him?
    lizarazu couldnt succeed in marseille, so he came back to bayern and had another great season!

    these are not exceptions, these are counter examples to ur examples, meaning no club is shit, specially top clubs just because certain players flop in them.

    as for porto being worldclass and producing quaresma and anderson and deco, bayern is super worldclass then producing hargreaves, schweinsteiger (and kroos, remember his name) from youth programs and completing players like ballack, lucio, ze roberto, salihamidzic, lahm, sagnol.

    its time we face the truth, our iranian footballers are not 1st degree worldclass players to play in the top clubs, whether it is bayern or real or milan! for playing in these clubs, talent alone is not enough.
    Originally posted by siavasharian
    ESTEGHLAL:

    بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
    بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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      #17
      Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View Post
      exactly my point, just because karimi's style doesnt suit bayern doesnt mean bayern is a shit team.
      how come so many other players fit so well in bayern then?
      good u admitted it.
      about karimi being successful in other clubs, i dunno, but i doubt it primarliy because of his laziness and his inability to mingle well with others.
      diego is an example, not an exception.
      rivaldo in milan?? wat happened to rivaldo after he went to milan? totally forgotten, so wat, now milan is a shit club too cos rivaldo isnt the same anymore?
      didnt kleberson flop in man utd as well?
      wat about denilson in la liga??? the dude was one of the best dribblers in the world!
      baptista in arsenal? wat happened to him?
      lizarazu couldnt succeed in marseille, so he came back to bayern and had another great season!
      these are not exceptions, these are counter examples to ur examples, meaning no club is shit, specially top clubs just because certain players flop in them.
      as for porto being worldclass and producing quaresma and anderson and deco, bayern is super worldclass then producing hargreaves, schweinsteiger (and kroos, remember his name) from youth programs and completing players like ballack, lucio, ze roberto, salihamidzic, lahm, sagnol.
      its time we face the truth, our iranian footballers are not 1st degree worldclass players to play in the top clubs, whether it is bayern or real or milan! for playing in these clubs, talent alone is not enough.
      bayern is not a club that is good to watch, and if u are not good to watch u are rubbish to watch which make u shit .

      Diego is an exeption because there are not many like him in the bundesliga.

      kleberson? I have said many times before that south americans in the EPL is a no no and a big waste of talent.

      Different players are suited in different league's and club's. Rivaldo's style I would say was more suited to spain as they play a more technical game and rely less on physicality. You will find that players with high technical games will struggle in highly physical league's.

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        #18
        Originally posted by futbol>>>IRAN View Post
        bayern is not a club that is good to watch, and if u are not good to watch u are rubbish to watch which make u shit .
        Diego is an exeption because there are not many like him in the bundesliga.
        kleberson? I have said many times before that south americans in the EPL is a no no and a big waste of talent.
        Different players are suited in different league's and club's. Rivaldo's style I would say was more suited to spain as they play a more technical game and rely less on physicality. You will find that players with high technical games will struggle in highly physical league's.
        just because u dont enjoy watching tactical games doesnt mean bayern isnt a good team to watch. u like pure dribbling, good for u, there are many others who enjoy watching tactical matches.
        so, its ur opinion that bayern is not good to watch.

        secondly, there are technically skilled players like basturk, ze roberto, d'alessandro, hleb, rosicky, lincoln and they were all successful. so, yes, techincal guys can also fit into the bundesliga.

        thirdly, again i repeat, if different players suit different leagues, then that doesnt mean the league is bad or the teams in the league are "shit" like u call them.
        if rivaldo suits a spanish team but flopped in milan, does that make milan rubbish?
        just because karimi didnt fit into bayern, does it mean bayern is rubbish?

        and by ur theory, all italian teams are shit too cos they arent very fun to watch, same with most english clubs!
        Originally posted by siavasharian
        ESTEGHLAL:

        بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
        بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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          #19
          Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View Post
          just because u dont enjoy watching tactical games doesnt mean bayern isnt a good team to watch. u like pure dribbling, good for u, there are many others who enjoy watching tactical matches.
          so, its ur opinion that bayern is not good to watch.
          secondly, there are technically skilled players like basturk, ze roberto, d'alessandro, hleb, rosicky, lincoln and they were all successful. so, yes, techincal guys can also fit into the bundesliga.
          thirdly, again i repeat, if different players suit different leagues, then that doesnt mean the league is bad or the teams in the league are "shit" like u call them.
          if rivaldo suits a spanish team but flopped in milan, does that make milan rubbish?
          just because karimi didnt fit into bayern, does it mean bayern is rubbish?
          and by ur theory, all italian teams are shit too cos they arent very fun to watch, same with most english clubs!
          no thats not true I enjoy watching tactical games alot . Just not robotic games!

          And no doubt there are good players in Germany but you know that they dont stay there long! Half the players you mentioned are playing in better league's now because the too themselves like the style of football played in other league's.

          I never said that I dont like Italian or English football! I said that I enjoy watchign permier league because of the foreign influence in that league the same goes for the Italian league btw I should mention that I particularly enjoy watching teams such as Milan, Liverpool, Inter, Arsenal etc. And I stress that is because of the FOREIGN influence in those leagues.

          And dont start comparing Bayern to Milan , I mean C'MON!!

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            #20
            Originally posted by futbol>>>IRAN View Post
            no thats not true I enjoy watching tactical games alot . Just not robotic games!
            robotic games can be tactical as well

            Originally posted by futbol>>>IRAN View Post
            And no doubt there are good players in Germany but you know that they dont stay there long! Half the players you mentioned are playing in better league's now because the too themselves like the style of football played in other league's.
            still doesnt prove bayern is shit


            Originally posted by futbol>>>IRAN View Post
            btw I should mention that I particularly enjoy watching teams such as Milan, Liverpool, Inter, Arsenal etc. And I stress that is because of the FOREIGN influence in those leagues.
            And dont start comparing Bayern to Milan , I mean C'MON!!
            u might want to read this though
            Juventus FC, Ajax Amsterdam and Bayern Munich are the only teams to have won the three major UEFA official Cups, namely UEFA Champions League/European Cup, UEFA Cup Winners' Cup and UEFA Cup .



            The number of teams permitted to wear UEFA's special badge of honour is now five. The badge is awarded in perpetuity to teams that have either won the competition a total of five times, or have won it three years in succession.
            Five or more wins:
            Real Madrid (9; 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1966, 1998, 2000, 2002),
            AC Milan (7; 1963, 1969, 1989, 1990, 1994, 2003, 2007),
            Liverpool (5; 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005)
            Three wins in succession:
            Real Madrid (1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960),
            Ajax Amsterdam (1971, 1972, 1973),
            Bayern Munich (1974, 1975, 1976)
            I REALLY DONT SEE A PROBLEM IN COMPARING MILAN WITH BAYERN!


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            secondly, u compared porto and lyon and even dutch teams with bayern. NOW I MEAN, C'MON!!!!
            Originally posted by siavasharian
            ESTEGHLAL:

            بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
            بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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              #21
              another interesting statistics:

              http://www.european-football-statist...ionsleague.htm
              shows the champions league statistics from 1992 to 2007.
              see that overall, milan is 4th and bayern is 5th.
              however, inspite of milan winning 3 games more, the goals scored is 3 less than bayerns, which really shows which team has scored more goals and which team has been more entertaining



              and also, look at the all time world club championship ranking:
              http://www.iffhs.de/?3d4d443d0b803e8...0aec70aeedbe1a
              Originally posted by siavasharian
              ESTEGHLAL:

              بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
              بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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                #22
                They snatched Toni as well, the future looks good for them




                Delam mikhad be Esfahan bargardam...
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuFI6ao7LY8

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View Post
                  another interesting statistics:
                  http://www.european-football-statist...ionsleague.htm
                  shows the champions league statistics from 1992 to 2007.
                  see that overall, milan is 4th and bayern is 5th.
                  however, inspite of milan winning 3 games more, the goals scored is 3 less than bayerns, which really shows which team has scored more goals and which team has been more entertaining
                  and also, look at the all time world club championship ranking:
                  http://www.iffhs.de/?3d4d443d0b803e8...0aec70aeedbe1a
                  Yashar jan the guy is Real madrid fan, you want to speak reason with him?

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Masoud_A View Post
                    Yashar jan the guy is Real madrid fan, you want to speak reason with him?
                    i dunno, maybe the 4-1 & 4-2 & the 10th second goal has left a deep cut in him.

                    i guess now i can tease him not only with alieye 30 saniye & pirouze 93 but also makaaye 10 saniye

                    Originally posted by siavasharian
                    ESTEGHLAL:

                    بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
                    بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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                      #25
                      Real Madrid >>>>> Bayern that's a fact. I'm saying this obvious fact because some of you want to talk about a 10 second goal scored by Makaay who has just left your club.

                      Anyways, Bayern plays in a league at a far less level than Real Madrid's, so playing attractive football against German clubs is like saying a Rat is beautiful in a sewer.
                      The Worker-communist Party of Iran (WPI)
                      For the struggle in Iran: "In retrospect, all revolutions seem inevitable. Beforehand, all revolutions seem impossible.
                      http://iransolidarity.blogspot.com/
                      http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...id=96192296995
                      http://worker-communistpartyofiran.blogspot.com/
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by PersianMadrid7 View Post
                        Real Madrid >>>>> Bayern that's a fact. I'm saying this obvious fact because some of you want to talk about a 10 second goal scored by Makaay who has just left your club.

                        Anyways, Bayern plays in a league at a far less level than Real Madrid's, so playing attractive football against German clubs is like saying a Rat is beautiful in a sewer.
                        lol and what makes Laliga better than Bundesliga?
                        OMFG YOU MEAN THAT BADASS SPANISH NATIONAL TEAM OF YOURS?
                        boro joke hato jaye dige tarif kon

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Masoud_A View Post
                          lol and what makes Laliga better than Bundesliga?
                          OMFG YOU MEAN THAT BADASS SPANISH NATIONAL TEAM OF YOURS?
                          boro joke hato jaye dige tarif kon
                          Real Madrid---------------vs.----Bayern, Stuttgart, Bremen, Wolfsburg?
                          Barcelona
                          Valencia
                          Sevilla
                          Villarreal
                          etc...

                          ????
                          The Worker-communist Party of Iran (WPI)
                          For the struggle in Iran: "In retrospect, all revolutions seem inevitable. Beforehand, all revolutions seem impossible.
                          http://iransolidarity.blogspot.com/
                          http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...id=96192296995
                          http://worker-communistpartyofiran.blogspot.com/
                          http://www.youtube.com/user/WPITV

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by PersianMadrid7 View Post
                            Real Madrid---------------vs.----Bayern, Stuttgart, Bremen, Wolfsburg?
                            Barcelona
                            Valencia
                            Sevilla
                            Villarreal
                            etc...

                            ????
                            You have a marxist as your avatar, still influenced by the media and marketing.
                            BABA TAKE OFF THAT AVATAR OF YOURS FFS!
                            poor guy is the most misused figure in the history.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by PersianMadrid7 View Post
                              Real Madrid >>>>> Bayern that's a fact. I'm saying this obvious fact because some of you want to talk about a 10 second goal scored by Makaay who has just left your club.
                              so wat if he has left our club? dont players with records leave ur team as well?
                              the point is, in history, it will be written as, fastest goal in champions league history was in champions league 2006 when roberto carlos commits one of his usual silly mistakes and bayern munichs makaay slots the ball behind real madrids iker casillas in 10 seconds in allianz arena.
                              damn we are some good hosts and treat our guests well

                              Originally posted by PersianMadrid7 View Post
                              Anyways, Bayern plays in a league at a far less level than Real Madrid's, so playing attractive football against German clubs is like saying a Rat is beautiful in a sewer.
                              yet the rat has been one of the most dominant forces outside its sewer as well
                              Originally posted by siavasharian
                              ESTEGHLAL:

                              بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
                              بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View Post
                                another interesting statistics:
                                http://www.european-football-statist...ionsleague.htm
                                shows the champions league statistics from 1992 to 2007.
                                see that overall, milan is 4th and bayern is 5th.
                                however, inspite of milan winning 3 games more, the goals scored is 3 less than bayerns, which really shows which team has scored more goals and which team has been more entertaining
                                and also, look at the all time world club championship ranking:
                                http://www.iffhs.de/?3d4d443d0b803e8...0aec70aeedbe1a
                                its quality mate not quantity!

                                I would rather win one title with style and attractive football rather than win 3 titles playing rubbish football.

                                Bayern has never had any superstars and never will because big names like Zidane, Kaka, Ronaldinho , Messi etc would never want to play their football there because they dont like the style.
                                Which says somthing about Bayern's football as a club!

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