Iraqs Karimi will be joining Man City

[yashar_fasihnia]

atleast iranian players make it to europe/ or can easily sign with a team whether they fail or not

getting into teams such as bayern munich is a HUGE accomplishment by itself even if u sit on the bench throughout the whole season/
as a person that only watches through the television screen, its very easy
to criticize and talk as if its nothing

if u dont mind can u plz give this guys resume or list of any his accomplishments through his career at club/national level disregarding the fluky asian cup championship, there probably isnt much too write

first of all, making it to IPL is more difficult than making it to bundesliga. akram was tested and approved by one of the good teams of EPL and one of the good coaches of the world but he was denied a work permit, something which is out of his or the clubs control! so theoretically, he made it to europe which like u said is a huge thing by itself.

secondly, its funny yet ironic how u use these words "as a person that only watches through the television screen, its very easy to criticize and talk as if its nothing" against me, but u urself come and make this claim "through his career at club/national level disregarding the fluky asian cup championship" ironic, dont u think??
a team whose country is in turmoil, who doesnt have a league, whose players have a million problems to deal with in their daily lives dominates every single team in the asian cup including saudi arabia who showed they were one of the favorites to win the cup is not fluke. this same team made it to 4th place in the olympics. was that a fluke too???

like i said, i have followed him and iraq more than most iranians. i posted some info on him in my other post from wikipedia.
for a recently turned 24 ASIAN player whose national team has never been a top team in asian and has had limited opportunities to prove himself compared th players from japan, south korea, china, saudi arabia, and even iran, these honours are great, which even many of asian talents cant match:

Honours
Best foreign player - Saudi Premier League 2005-2006
Best player - Asian Cup 2007 Final
Receive third best player in Asia of the year 2007.

[edit] Club
1994: Won the Iraqi league with Ashbal Al Qowa El Jaweya
1995: Won the Iraqi league and the Iraqi Cup with Al-Zawraa U-17
1996: Took the 2nd place in the Iraqi league with Youth Al Qowa El Jaweya
2001: Took the 3rd place in the Iraqi league with Al-Shurta
2002: Won the Iraqi Cub with Al-Shurta
2003: Participated with Al-Shurta Club in the Arab club league in Cairo
2005: Took 2nd place with Al-Shabab in the Saudi Premier league
2006: Earned the Championship with Al-Shabab

[edit] International
2000: AFC Youth Champions.
2001: Qualified to the World Youth Championship in Argentina.
2002: Second West Asian Football Federation Champions.
2003-2004: Qualified with the Iraqi Olympic team to Athens Olympic.
2004: Qualified to the Asian Cup in China, but lost in the quarterfinals.
2004: Took 4th place in Athens Olympics.
2006: Won the gold medal in the Third West Asian Football Federation in Doha.
2005-2006: Qualified to the Asian Nations Cup 2007.
2007: Took 2nd place in the West Asian Football Federation.
2007: Won the Asian Cup against three-time champions Saudi Arabia.
2007: Nominated AFC Player of the Year and finished as 2nd Runner-up


now please, i ask u or anyone else who rates the likes of madanchi, borhani, kazemian and mobali as asias next big talent, please show me their resume and wat they have done!

[yashar_fasihnia]

baba, don't tell those who don't love Iran this kind of info? Getting into Bayern, scoring 16 goals in the Bundesliga in one year (Hash), leading the Bundesliga in Assist and willing your team to win vs. a Zidane Juventus (Mahdavkia 2 assists, one goal) and incredible individual performances against Mexico and Portugal (Kaabi, Tey, Neko) etc. etc. etc. are nothing.
ALSO, I had nothing against Iraqis (actually stood up for them many times in the past, even though they were aggressors that lead to 1 million murders of our hamvataans) until I met some Iraqis and used their boards. You think I hate them? Lol, you haven't seen how they passionately hate us.

hehehe..
u either dont know how to have a normal matured conversation or all u know to do is "safsate"
guys who dont love iran? iraqi masters? suck off iraqi dudes? and ur other words which i edited in the first post? these are ur arguments, and u expect me to reply to such immature comments??

u made all these conclusions because i think nashat akram is better than some iranian players?? now u know why i dont wanna have a conversation with u.

but if it really matters, take the pain of reading my arguments with the other members here and u will see most of ur arguments have been addressed to indirectly over there.

P.S. this is not a place for iran iraq war. PFDC is a place where members are supposed to carry out respected matured discussions with other members of any nationality, age and religion. if u cant do that, ur welcome to leave. just because iraqis hate us and we hate them, it means we cant give credit where its due and accept the fact that nashat akram or any other iraqi player is better than SOME OF our iranian players???

[yashar_fasihnia]

I can't believe you gave me a warning, which again, shows you have ulterior motives. You didn't respond to any of my points, which means you have no point yourself. I've also followed Akram and know tons of the Iraqi team and players; they are just a hype, that's all. Akram has done nothing in his career beside one fluky Asia Cup win.
You can suck up to whoever you want to, it's just sad all I'm telling you.

i gave u a warning for ur first comment which i edited because it wasnt appropriate!

yes i have ulterior motives, im an iraqi member who has no business in my warn torn country and nothing else to do in my life but come on an iranian football forum, become a staff member and then promote my countrys players and other iraqi agendas

iraq and all its players are hypes, but the likes of amraei, maziar zare, mobali, madanchi, borhani and kazemian are all gods of asia. u really are one unbiased football following dude

just do me and urself a favour and from now on, ignore my sad ulterior motive comments and i ignore ur realistic unbiased mature comments please.

[kaebi kabab]

lol im liking this thread because this thread was gona origannly close because it was already posted but now its exceeded the otherr post

[djmo]

I have no problem giving proper credit to a player. But Akram has failed more than he's succeed. That's just the facts. And Yashar, funny you mention Amraei as a "failed product," he's 17/18, yet he's failed lol. Maziar Zare just turned 23. How has he failed? He's leading his Malavan to a top 3 place right now in the IPL ... and I'm glad you confessed as to your true intentions

[yashar_fasihnia]

I have no problem giving proper credit to a player. But Akram has failed more than he's succeed. That's just the facts. And Yashar, funny you mention Amraei as a "failed product," he's 17/18, yet he's failed lol. Maziar Zare just turned 23. How has he failed? He's leading his Malavan to a top 3 place right now in the IPL ... and I'm glad you confessed as to your true intentions

when did nashat akram fail??

no, amraei is not a failed player. but players like borhani are. i just listed some of the players many iranian fans worship and consider them the next big thing in asia.

nashat akram has more credentials than both amraei and maziar zare. if zare is leading malavan to 3rd place, nashat akram led iraq olympics team to 4th place in athens, led his saudi team to the saudi league champions and iraq national team to asian cup! but u say nashat akram has failed more than he has succeeded yet zare has not failed??? so where is the credit u said u give??

P.S. im glad u realized my hidden agendas. as u can see, my avatar and signature say that too!

[djmo]

when did nashat akram fail??
no, amraei is not a failed player. but players like borhani are. i just listed some of the players many iranian fans worship and consider them the next big thing in asia.
nashat akram has more credentials than both amraei and maziar zare. if zare is leading malavan to 3rd place, nashat akram led iraq olympics team to 4th place in athens, led his saudi team to the saudi league and iraq national team to asian cup! but u say nashat akram has failed more than he has succeeded yet zare has not failed???
so where is the credit u said u give??

"lead his team to the saudi league" :S. His team was never relegated for him to lead them to anything. He didn't win a championship with them either ...

- Even with Olympics, he wasn't one of their big players, I think Qusay Muneer was their big player in that tournament.
- Failed with his club teams in the AFC Championship (few times)
- Failed with his club teams in the Saudi league (never won a championship)
- Failed with Al-Ain so far to do anything of importance or do well there.

- Skill wise? Fact is, Akram is an offensive midfielder, yet can't really score (I'm sorry, goals against Pakistan doesn't count; and his goal against Australia was a total fluke, the ball just was lost by the goalkeeper, he wasn't trying to score). He's tall, but can't head. He doesn't really have a great shot on him.

Anyway, in jist, he's done nothing on the cub level; and that's where he spends most of his time playing soccer!

And he got signed by Sven on recommendations of Olsen, the current Iraqi coach. And even Sven admitted to the fact he wasn't going to make the frst team this year. Plus, Akram is slow as hell, he needs lots of time, I don't think the EPL would have suited him to be honest.

[LoriMagician]

first of all, making it to IPL is more difficult than making it to bundesliga. akram was tested and approved by one of the good teams of EPL and one of the good coaches of the world but he was denied a work permit, something which is out of his or the clubs control! so theoretically, he made it to europe which like u said is a huge thing by itself.

secondly, its funny yet ironic how u use these words "as a person that only watches through the television screen, its very easy to criticize and talk as if its nothing" against me, but u urself come and make this claim "through his career at club/national level disregarding the fluky asian cup championship" ironic, dont u think??
a team whose country is in turmoil, who doesnt have a league, whose players have a million problems to deal with in their daily lives dominates every single team in the asian cup including saudi arabia who showed they were one of the favorites to win the cup is not fluke. this same team made it to 4th place in the olympics. was that a fluke too???

like i said, i have followed him and iraq more than most iranians. i posted some info on him in my other post from wikipedia.
for a recently turned 24 ASIAN player whose national team has never been a top team in asian and has had limited opportunities to prove himself compared th players from japan, south korea, china, saudi arabia, and even iran, these honours are great, which even many of asian talents cant match:

Honours
Best foreign player - Saudi Premier League 2005-2006
Best player - Asian Cup 2007 Final
Receive third best player in Asia of the year 2007.

[edit] Club
1994: Won the Iraqi league with Ashbal Al Qowa El Jaweya
1995: Won the Iraqi league and the Iraqi Cup with Al-Zawraa U-17
1996: Took the 2nd place in the Iraqi league with Youth Al Qowa El Jaweya
2001: Took the 3rd place in the Iraqi league with Al-Shurta
2002: Won the Iraqi Cub with Al-Shurta
2003: Participated with Al-Shurta Club in the Arab club league in Cairo
2005: Took 2nd place with Al-Shabab in the Saudi Premier league
2006: Earned the Championship with Al-Shabab

[edit] International
2000: AFC Youth Champions.
2001: Qualified to the World Youth Championship in Argentina.
2002: Second West Asian Football Federation Champions.
2003-2004: Qualified with the Iraqi Olympic team to Athens Olympic.
2004: Qualified to the Asian Cup in China, but lost in the quarterfinals.
2004: Took 4th place in Athens Olympics.
2006: Won the gold medal in the Third West Asian Football Federation in Doha.
2005-2006: Qualified to the Asian Nations Cup 2007.
2007: Took 2nd place in the West Asian Football Federation.
2007: Won the Asian Cup against three-time champions Saudi Arabia.
2007: Nominated AFC Player of the Year and finished as 2nd Runner-up


now please, i ask u or anyone else who rates the likes of madanchi, borhani, kazemian and mobali as asias next big talent, please show me their resume and wat they have done!

before i jump to conclusions, do u have any reliable non-arab source that claims akram was approved and that the only reason he didnt sign was because of his work permit

come on. who are u trying to fool here

how could u say that its harder getting into the epl than the bundesliga ??

and regarding the asian cup, (which was basically the only big point you point out )

im not going to debate too much about this but all i can say is that politics had allot too do with that specific competition.
ill give u a clue; iraq hasnt accomplished anything close to great with their national team before the invasion of the u.s and right now they suddenly won their first ever championship in their whole career after 5 years of being annihilated with bombs without a stable government

im not saying they cheated in their games, but its very obvious that someone has spent allot of money for their training and managemnt for god knows how long

maybe if the struggling iranian players that u mentioned received the same treatment as the iraq nt they probably would have all been in Europe ages ago/
btw there is no doubt iraq had first class training with their NT prior to the asian cup competition

some of u guys over rate failed iranian players which is even more laughable!

now his hounors;

Best foreign player - Saudi Premier League 2005-2006 (the rest is asain cup bullsh1t)
......so ur telling me the best foreign player in the saudi league at the 05-06 year is a better accomplishment than the iranian players has achieved, such as karimi, daei, hashemain, nekounam

not even them they are way out of his league

compare him to kaz, mobali, and mandanchi/ i garuantee their resume is 3 times as better as mr. arkam

its funny how ur bringing up struggling iranian players atm , such as borhani

u seem to be dedicated to prove the point that akram is not overrated, lol

[yashar_fasihnia]

"lead his team to the saudi league" :S. His team was never relegated for him to lead them to anything. He didn't win a championship with them either ...

he has won championships in both iraq and saudi arabia with his iraqi and saudi arabian club.

- Even with Olympics, he wasn't one of their big players, I think Qusay Muneer was their big player in that tournament.

Iraqi Olympic team
After the 2003 war, even though he was one of the youngest players in the squad, he was named the Iraqi Olympic team captain by Adnan Hamad and impressed during the Emir Faisal Abdullah Friendship Cup in Abha, In 2004 Nashat Akram helped his team to qualify to the 2004 Olympic Games and he was part of the team in the finals, Iraq Olympic team reached the 4th place losing to Italy 0-1

- Failed with his club teams in the AFC Championship (few times)

which iranian player did any better???

- Failed with his club teams in the Saudi league (never won a championship)

[edit] Al-Shabab, Saudi Arabia
In 2004, Nashat signed with the giant club Al-Shabab; in his first season, the team won the Saudi Premier League, and won the title again in 2006, where Akram also won the League's Player of the Year and Foreign Player of the Year awards.

- Failed with Al-Ain so far to do anything of importance or do well there.

nekounam failed with al wahda and was even kicked out of al wahda!!!
besides, nashat akram signed with al ain a few months back, not even half season of UAE league is over yet!!

- Skill wise? Fact is, Akram is an offensive midfielder, yet can't really score (I'm sorry, goals against Pakistan doesn't count; and his goal against Australia was a total fluke, the ball just was lost by the goalkeeper, he wasn't trying to score). He's tall, but can't head. He doesn't really have a great shot on him.

ur wrong, he has great powerful shots. and he can score. his weak point is his heading ability which i already mentioned in the other thread about him on the international forum.
he has great vision with nice passes. how many goals have navidkia or jabbari scored?? do they have great shots?? can they head??
he has a great phsyique, great vision, plays a modern football with his head up and makes very accurate and nice passes and freekicks. he is the architect of his team and almost all the teams offenses are built through him.

Anyway, in jist, he's done nothing on the cub level; and that's where he spends most of his time playing soccer!

look at his international level. like i said, 4th place olympics, how many forget iranian, asian players have done this?? and ofcourse, the asian cup aswell which i dont think was fluke as well.
and also i repeat, nashat akram didnt have the opportunity (yet) to prove himself in europe or teams outside asia. once he does that and fails, then i surrender and stand corrected!

even where he got the chance in international soccer, he did manage to prove himself:
In part due to his efforts, Iraq won the AFC Youth Championship 2000 and qualified to the 2001 FIFA World Youth Championship in Argentina. Later he was nominated the Asian Young Footballer of the Year.

And he got signed by Sven on recommendations of Olsen, the current Iraqi coach. And even Sven admitted to the fact he wasn't going to make the frst team this year.

olsen, RECOMMENDED him, didnt FORCE him to sven. sven goran ericksson tested him and was pleasantly satisfied with his performance which means he chose akram himself. wat do u expect?? how many european scouts are there who follow the middle east football??? most players go this way!
even players like park ji sung and lee yung pyu made it to europe cos of guss hiddink who had coached the korean national team and took them to holland. once they went to holland, the rest of europe saw them!!
magath didnt know who karimi was until iran played against germany!
teymourian and nekounam got their chance to play in europe cos of the worldcup.

being recommended is something very common in asia!!

here is wat erickson said after nashat akram couldnt joine them:
That’s what Sven added through the official website of Manchester City, “This is a big blow and a great disappointment to us. I have huge sympathy for Nashat. He is a very good footballer with an excellent international pedigree. He has now returned to the Middle East and we will keep in touch with him. He is somebody who we will maintain an interest in for the long
http://www.nashatakram.net/

Plus, Akram is slow as hell, he needs lots of time, I don't think the EPL would have suited him to be honest.

did u know the algerian national coach rejected zinedine zidane because he thought zidane had a slow pace (which was true) and see wat happened!!
i know akram will never be able to become another zidane, so im not comparing zidane to akram but its the concept that matters. speed isnt the only factor in football, not even in england!
u think lampard is fast?? ballack is fast?? yes nashat akram is not ballack or lampard, but manchester city is not chelsea either. its all relative comparison. how fast is mobali?? every player has flaws but some of them overcome them, some dont!

and yes, there is a chance he wouldnt succeed in england, but then, there is a chance he would. so we cant speculate. until he fails in europe, im going to stand by my opinion that nashat akram is indeed one of the top talents of asia and can become one of the top players of asia in the coming few years, much better than the likes of borhani, maziar zare and madanchi.

this is my humble opinion

[yashar_fasihnia]

before i jump to conclusions, do u have any reliable non-arab source that claims akram was approved and that the only reason he didnt sign was because of his work permit

his own website:http://www.nashatakram.net/
manchester city official website: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?pa...&newsid=526825

so now, u can (or ) at urself for all i care
please read ericksons comments on not being able to sign nashat akram, so u can a bit more

come on. who are u trying to fool here
how could u say that its harder getting into the epl than the bundesliga ??

im not fooling anyone here, its some iranian fans who are fooling themselves with jealousy or extra pride or watever u wanna call it...

im saying its harder to get into EPL than bundesliga for 2 reasons:
1)EPL on general is a higher league with better quality players than bundesliga. so, EPL clubs give more importance to quality of players they bring comapred to bundesliga simply because bundesliga players keep moving to the top 3 leagues and hence, they need lesser quality players for replacement.
2)EPL also has the player permit issue which bundesliga doesnt have.

so again, i dont think im fooling anyone.

and regarding the asian cup, (which was basically the only big point you point out )

im not going to debate too much about this but all i can say is that politics had allot too do with that specific competition.
ill give u a clue; iraq hasnt accomplished anything close to great with their national team before the invasion of the u.s and right now they suddenly won their first ever championship in their whole career after 5 years of being annihilated with bombs without a stable government

im not saying they cheated in their games, but its very obvious that someone has spent allot of money for their training and managemnt for god knows how long

maybe if the struggling iranian players that u mentioned received the same treatment as the iraq nt they probably would have all been in Europe ages ago/
btw there is no doubt iraq had first class training with their NT prior to the asian cup competition

korean, saudi arabian and japanese teams received all this as well (assuming ur argument is correct and they were supported heavily financially)
wat did they do??
korea has been investing in football for how many years now?? last time they won the asian cup, it was 1950s!!!

iranian players are talented, and yes, if iran had the same financial support and stability that korea and japan had, we could have even challenged european teams with all this talent! but the truth is, we are not like them. so stop saying if and thens. face reality!
besides, just because we have talented players doesnt mean other teams cant have talented players either!
for ur info, not only akram, but i think other arab players like ismail mattar are also better than a lot of our iranian players. yes, they had the pleasure of being in well funded football academies and stuff, but the truth is, right now, they are better players than some of our national team players as well. there u go, i said it, now yeah, hang me, cos im a traitor and dont love iran and bow down to my arab masters

this is the truth, face it!

and again, i say it, this iraq team comprises of mostly the same olympic team which won the 4th place in athens olympics in 2004!!! so no, im not gonna say this was all fluky or only happened because of USA invading iraq! all their players are playing in the top teams of the asian leagues, including IPL! this should say something!!

now his hounors;

Best foreign player - Saudi Premier League 2005-2006 (the rest is asain cup bullsh1t)
......so ur telling me the best foreign player in the saudi league at the 05-06 year is a better accomplishment than the iranian players has achieved, such as karimi, daei, hashemain, nekounam

who comapred him to daei, hashemian and nekounam achievements?? dont put words in my mouth! looks like ur the one who is really trying hard, not to accept the fact that there can be talented arab players who can be one of the best in asia!!

not even them they are way out of his league

compare him to kaz, mobali, and mandanchi/ i garuantee their resume is 3 times as better as mr. arkam

please compare his honours to those of mobali, madanchi and kazemian! i guarantee u his is 3 times better than theirs. i posted his honours, why dont u provide me with theirs and then we compare
notice that, first of all, the saudi league is stronger than the IPL.
secondly, akram reached 4th place olympics which none of these players did.
thirdly, this same asian bullshit ur talking about, madanchi, mobali and kazemian didnt even achieve that.

its funny how ur bringing up struggling iranian players atm , such as borhani

u seem to be dedicated to prove the point that akram is not overrated, lol

the same struggling borhani is considered god by iranian fans. so why cant i mention him?? u dont expect me to compare a 23 year nashat akram who has just started shining to daei and hashemian who are done with their accomplishments??? unless u are the one struggling really hard to avoid facing the fact that an arab player is more talented than many of the iranian players, "lol"

im trying to prove my point just like u r here. why is it that mines is funny but urs isnt?? just cos my point is nashat akram isnt overrated and can be one of the top asian players in the near future, u think its funny??
u sure u find it funny in the first place?? cos to me, i think u find it hard to digest the facts, so u try to laugh it off

[Suprah]

Jealous

[yashar_fasihnia]

Jealous

couldnt u say this earlier, so i could save my time and energy?

[Suprah]

couldnt u say this earlier, so i could save my time and energy?

I was working my arse off in University

[arash123]

a bit off topic but asian cup was a fluke. we would have beat them if we had faced them, just as our b team embarassed them in waff, not even a month before

[yashar_fasihnia]

frankly, i think the waff we won with our B team was more of a fluke than them winning the asian cup. they dominated the entire game, one brilliant goal by badamaki which deserves credit and one decent shot but fluke goal by beygzadeh (stupid mistake by their GK nour sabri) and then a worldclass performance by roudbarian that day is not something that happens often.

but anywayz, its all over now.