The Official NBA Playoffs 2008 Thread!

[mf_doom]

Kobe wouldnt either if he had horace grant/dennis rodman and scottie pipen as teammates. How many more years doen odom have to play for people to realize he is a bust!!!??? He hasnt even made i to one all star game and pipen was the best small forward of all time.

k i can now clearly see that your are the worst type of nba fan. The one that reads statistics and looks up people on wikipedia decides if theyre a good player or not.

Scottie pippen while a great talent, was a huge choke artist during the first chicago dynasty. Unlike jordan who thrived under pressure, scottie for the most part wilted underneath it. If you dont believe me read books like "Jordan Rules" by sam smith or "Playing for keeps" by david halberstam. All have detailed how jordan was the leader of that team and if it wasnt for jordan going at pippen each and every practice, trying to develop his toughness, pippen would never reach the heights that he did.

The rest of the players you mentioned im not even gonna bother addressing, Dennis Rodman (head case that was kicked out of two teams before chicago took a chance on him), Horace Grant ( a whiny ***** that always complained about a lack of treatment and almost ended up destroying the teams unity during the 93 finals). Talent doesnt equal championships. Teamwork, persevrance and execution do (see: Detriot pistons of 2004). Stop talking about Kobe as if he is some sort of god, he is and always will be known as a gun for hire (a phrase phil jackson used). A man who never understood how a team should function and a man the nba will always look at as an outsider.

From Bill simmons article:

"The Kobe-MJ thing ... done. Over. Jordan never would have let that happen in the Finals. Ever. Under any circumstances. Nobody is ever allowed to bring this up again"

Btw switch jordan and kobe for that game, lakers wouldve won no doubt.

[Babak]

I am talkin about the fk'n bashers who only have something to say when the lakers lose. If you are from boston or the new englend area (like my brother) and you wanna trash talk, fine. But if you are a fan of a loser team that has been bounced out of the playoffs or didnt even make it to the playoffs stfu.

Well if you are referring to me, I am not a Laker basher. I am not even a basher of Kobe's game. I am a basher of Kobe's attitude and personality, which apparently you take exception to.

My love and interest for the NBA actually was a result of the Showtime Lakers that I followed from 1989-1991. Magic and Byron Scott were my idols growing up as a kid. I loved the next generation Lakers under Van Exel (I have his jersey at home) Eddie Jones, George Lynch, Elden Campbell, Vlade, etc. So I'm hardly a Laker hater if thats what you think.

And if you were referring to someone else, then thats their problem

[Babak]

As far as Scottie Pippen being the greatest small forward of all time, that might be the most ludicrous thing I have ever read in the history of PFDC. He was an incredible Robin to Batman Jordan, but the greatest small forward of all time? Not a chance in hell.

Ever heard of a small forward named Larry Bird?

[persianbruin]

k i can now clearly see that your are the worst type of nba fan. The one that reads statistics and looks up people on wikipedia decides if theyre a good player or not.
Scottie pippen while a great talent, was a huge choke artist during the first chicago dynasty. Unlike jordan who thrived under pressure, scottie for the most part wilted underneath it. If you dont believe me read books like "Jordan Rules" by sam smith or "Playing for keeps" by david halberstam. All have detailed how jordan was the leader of that team and if it wasnt for jordan going at pippen each and every practice, trying to develop his toughness, pippen would never reach the heights that he did.
The rest of the players you mentioned im not even gonna bother addressing, Dennis Rodman (head case that was kicked out of two teams before chicago took a chance on him), Horace Grant ( a whiny ***** that always complained about a lack of treatment and almost ended up destroying the teams unity during the 93 finals). Talent doesnt equal championships. Teamwork, persevrance and execution do (see: Detriot pistons of 2004). Stop talking about Kobe as if he is some sort of god, he is and always will be known as a gun for hire (a phrase phil jackson used). A man who never understood how a team should function and a man the nba will always look at as an outsider.
From Bill simmons article:
"The Kobe-MJ thing ... done. Over. Jordan never would have let that happen in the Finals. Ever. Under any circumstances. Nobody is ever allowed to bring this up again"
Btw switch jordan and kobe for that game, lakers wouldve won no doubt.

EXACTLY the opposite!! I dont read statistics and just blindly go by them. You know why?? I am a certified statistician!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The mistakes most people make is tha they read the stats wrong. Somene who has an MS or PhD in stats KNOWS how to eliminate the bias (yours truly).

If you have taken even the elemantary stats course in high school, you know about the concept of "standardization". Why do we standardize?? because we wanna be able to compare. How can you compare MJs teams with kobe's? Im in my 30's and I have seen jordan in his prime and the 2 teams are not even remotely comparable.

1) The bulls a year after MJ retired made it to the 2nd round of the playffs. That was how good the bulls team sans MJ was, can you even picture the laker's team sans kobe be anything but a lottery team??? I doubt it if you say no

2) The phoenix suns were a great team the last couple of years so why is it that they didnt even make it to the finals? because they dont play defense. This laker team doesnt play defense either, they got there by offense cuz KOBE was simply too good. The thing with the MJ bulls was that they were a GREAT defensive team kinda like how boston is now but even better.

3) The reason MJ never had a lead like that vanish in the finals was this: when MJ had teammates like kobe has right now, he didnt even make it to the finals!!! But Kobe did get to the finals with crappy teammates something MJ couldnt do until he got some great talant AND experience around him.

But I dont even care about MJ, maybe he was better than kobe, good for him. But to say AI, KG, LbJ and pierce are better than kobe is just rediculous.

Want statistics?? The biggest BS stats in all of sports is assist. Rebounds, points, steals and blocks YOU the player get them. Assist your teammate has to score for you to get them and that stats is not standardized. It makes a difference if your teammate is pippen or odom. It makes a hug differnce!!

[persianbruin]

Well if you are referring to me, I am not a Laker basher. I am not even a basher of Kobe's game. I am a basher of Kobe's attitude and personality, which apparently you take exception to.
My love and interest for the NBA actually was a result of the Showtime Lakers that I followed from 1989-1991. Magic and Byron Scott were my idols growing up as a kid. I loved the next generation Lakers under Van Exel (I have his jersey at home) Eddie Jones, George Lynch, Elden Campbell, Vlade, etc. So I'm hardly a Laker hater if thats what you think.
And if you were referring to someone else, then thats their problem

I am refering to everyone who is acting like that. If I was singling you out I would have said "babak" but I didnt so its not personal its just I hate that attitude that if someone doesnt like a certain individual they look for the most rediculous reasons to bash him.

I highly doubt larry bird could beat a pippen one on one and the only reason pippen was robin was because he had a batman on his team. Pippen was a first team all nba and first team all defensive team almost every year in his prime. Larry bird didnt play defense like scottie did. Larry bird was better than pippen in 2 things only: 3-point shooting and being Mr. clutch, everything else pippen was better

[Babak]

With all due respect, I don't think you could find a single NBA coach or player (former or current) that would agree with you that Pippen was an overall better player than Bird. There is more than physical ability that is involved in being a great basketball player. Intangibles is incredibly important, something which Bird was filled with and Pippen possessed little of. Remember the time Pippen went and sat on the bench during the last play of the game, and refused to get in when Jackson told him to?

I honestly don't believe that you think Pippen was a better small forward than Bird. That's just seriously criminal.

[persianbruin]

With all due respect, I don't think you could find a single NBA coach or player (former or current) that would agree with you that Pippen was an overall better player than Bird. There is more than physical ability that is involved in being a great basketball player. Intangibles is incredibly important, something which Bird was filled with and Pippen possessed little of. Remember the time Pippen went and sat on the bench during the last play of the game, and refused to get in when Jackson told him to?
I honestly don't believe that you think Pippen was a better small forward than Bird. That's just seriously criminal.

I cant find any nba coach to ask them any questions!!!!

pippen was more athletic, was a better defender and could attack the basket better than bird. As for MJ having one of the best stars around him to play with, that has nothing to do with which one was better, pip or bird

[Babak]

pippen was more athletic, was a better defender and could attack the basket better than bird.

I agree. You could probably say that about almost all of the small forwards in the NBA today compared to Bird. But like I said, there's more to an NBA player than physical ability.

Since you can't find any NBA coaches to ask questions, lets take a look online to see what the general opinion of informed NBA fans is. This is what comes up when you search for "greatest small forwards of all time" on Google. Check out how many of those links have Bird as the greatest small forward ever, and how many of them have Pippen as the greatest ever. Surely your NBA knowledge isn't more credible than practically every online link, and fan poll, is it?

http://www.gainformer.com/athletes/small_forwards.html

http://realsportsbloggers.com/miracl...d-of-all-time/

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ba.html?cat=14

http://www.faniq.com/poll_results.ph...d=184981&rnum=

http://sportscouch.wordpress.com/200...s-of-all-time/

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/mmiracle/88435

[BacheLot]

watch my KU nigga Paul collect his long over-due First Ring Tonight..!!

met him on two occasions while at KU and i am yet to meet a nicer and more down to earth guy..!!

he reminds me of Pipen, intelligent player, calm, collected, effective at all facets of the game but so under rated...!!

[Ghormeh Sabzi]

IF YOU ARE IN IRVINE COME TO LAMPPOST PIZZA ON WALNUT AND CULVER TO WATCH THE BASKETBALL GAME

HAPPY HOUR SON! WHERE'S MY DOS EQUIS AT?!?


GO CELTICS!!!

[persianbruin]

watch my KU nigga Paul collect his long over-due First Ring Tonight..!!
met him on two occasions while at KU and i am yet to meet a nicer and more down to earth guy..!!
he reminds me of Pipen, intelligent player, calm, collected, effective at all facets of the game but so under rated...!!

sorry my fellow eip, i hate him cuz he is a sellout. He should have gone to a pac-10 school. It was only fitting that his dreams of a national championship were vanished by a pac-10 school.

KG, pierce and allen were all proven to be busts individually but now they are kickin ass altogether. But they have a very strong supporting cast otherwise they wouldnt be able to do what they are doing.

Can we possibly trade gasol back for kwame brown?? The announcers were very harsh on him and phil benched his soft sorry asss. Hope he doesnt get back into the game. Thank god this nightmare will be over soon

[ShahHouman]

the lakers are gonna "find themselves" in games 3 and 4 and win, then the celtics will "squeeze by" in game 5 and win convincingly in game 6

looks like i more or less got it right...i swear, im bout to start makin bets w/ a bookie lol

[ShahHouman]

i wont cry watchin a movie, or a show or wutever....but man, watchin KG get interviewed and start crying on the spot, i can honestly say put a tear in my eye, big big congrats to that man for finally getting his ring

congrats to the celtics too, sorry persianbruin, i kno u expected it and all but still, it sucks when it actually happens

[milad]

garnett.

[Darvish11]

hahahahaha! God i loved this.

Man, Kobe really showed me...

game 1 9-26 4 TOs
game 4 6-19 4 TOs
game 5 8-21 6 TOs
game 6 7-22 4 TOs, not to mention an astounding +/- of -35. Not -5, not -15,not -25, not even -30. -35!!! HAHAHAHA! I didnt think that was possible. Way to step it up in the spotlight big boy