Official - Juventus sarvareh Real Madrid - Thread

[yashar_fasihnia]

i think barca and juve are the only 2 teams at the moment who are 100% in the next round no matter wat happens next 2 games...

[Mr Pouya]

i think barca and juve are the only 2 teams at the moment who are 100% in the next round no matter wat happens next 2 games...

and united, i think we only need a point!

[yashar_fasihnia]

and united, i think we only need a point!

thats why i didnt mention man utd, cos many teams are in the same boat as man utd: bayern, lyon, liverpool, athletico, villareal, etc.. not 100% qualified yet but highly impossible not to qualify...

[PFS]

ever since robinho left, this team hasn't been the same. juve played with gheryat, real lacked it. who does real play next? zenit?

robben or drenthe are no where near as good as robinho

imagine:
robben-----snider-------VDV------Robinho

-------Higuain---------RVN------------
thats a champions league winning lineup

[persian boy]

yeah where is milad ?! i wanna answer him back for his chelsea chirps on msn yesterday

[milad]

LOL why would you make a thread when your team got dominated scarily for 3/4 halves? jordan beat iran 1-0 does that mean jordan is better than iran?

[milad]

i must say, i never really liked juve (nor disliked them) and i was really skeptical of them doing anything from the beginning of the season cos they still need to strengthen their squad and after all these injuries im pleasantly surprised how tactically efficient juve played.
2 great games by juve inspite of having half its starters injured...

ROFL. i never knew throwing 11 players in your box is tactically efficient. it is extremely easy to defend when you play with 11 defenders. even a small crappy team against a powerhouse can draw if they go all defensive. so if a big team plays a big team and plays all out defense there is no excuse for them to get scored on and usually no chance. which is why such teams (like the italian juve) use this cheap tactic. it is disgusting.

[yashar_fasihnia]

ROFL. i never knew throwing 11 players in your box is tactically efficient. it is extremely easy to defend when you play with 11 defenders. even a small crappy team against a powerhouse can draw if they go all defensive. so if a big team plays a big team and plays all out defense there is no excuse for them to get scored on and usually no chance. which is why such teams (like the italian juve) use this cheap tactic. it is disgusting.

1)if it was really easy, why doesnt ur team play it that way and try winning FOR A CHANGE??
juve didnt defend with 11 players! infact, juventus played 4-4-2 with amauri and delpierro upfront, del pierro playing a lil behind amauri!!!!
but with great transitions from defense to offense and vice versa, they were able to attack and defend properly AND AS A TEAM!
the players spread very well across the field. they passed greatly and efficiently. their movements both without and with the ball were perfect and the team was highly coordinated and organized.
they didnt "overhold" the ball (except for the selfish amauri ) or "underhold" the ball if such words exist

nedved at that age played much better than the whole real madrid midfield combined!

a highly tactical and efficient game by juve and thats why some times, fans of spanish or argentinian or brazilian football have a hard time accepting italian or german football.... cos they look at football with more of a flair, rather than efficiency and intelligence...

2)considering juve was playing with half of its starters missing and anyways has less stars than madrid and playing AT BENABAU and managed to score 2 and could have scored more, juve played great. IT WAS AN AWAY GAME, WITH SO MANY OF THEIR STARS MISSING AND JUVE WERE LEADING THE TABLE AND DIDNT NEED A WIN ANYWAYS, WAT DID U EXPECT?? TO GO ALL ATTACK WHEN THEY CLEARLY ARENT AT FULL POWER?? seriously....

football isnt just attacking, nor is it just defending. its attaining the right balance between the 2 and when i say right balance, i dont mean 50% attack, 50% defend. i mean, every team has its own varied balance which helps them defend well yet attack and score the necessary goals and that balance is achieved based on the squad abilities, squad availability, coach's ideas and other external circumstances.


its nothing to boast about when u lose to a team who was missing half its starters, and that too at bernabau and try to justify it by saying, they defended with 11 players and we were all attack

real madrid didnt deserve to win today.
accept ur loss, give credit where its due and be optimistic about the future.

[milad]

1)if it was really easy, why doesnt ur team play it that way and try winning FOR A CHANGE??
juve didnt defend with 11 players! infact, juventus played 4-4-2 with amauri and delpierro upfront, del pierro playing a lil behind amauri!!!!
but with great transitions from defense to offense and vice versa, they were able to attack and defend properly AND AS A TEAM!
the players spread very well across the field. they passed greatly and efficiently. their movements both without and with the ball were perfect and the team was highly coordinated and organized.
they didnt "overhold" the ball (except for the selfish amauri ) or "underhold" the ball if such words exist

nedved at that age played much better than the whole real madrid midfield combined!

a highly tactical and efficient game by juve and thats why some times, fans of spanish or argentinian or brazilian football have a hard time accepting italian or german football.... cos they look at football with more of a flair, rather than efficiency and intelligence...

2)considering juve was playing with half of its starters missing and anyways has less stars than madrid and playing AT BENABAU and managed to score 2 and could have scored more, juve played great. IT WAS AN AWAY GAME, WITH SO MANY OF THEIR STARS MISSING AND JUVE WERE LEADING THE TABLE AND DIDNT NEED A WIN ANYWAYS, WAT DID U EXPECT?? TO GO ALL ATTACK WHEN THEY CLEARLY ARENT AT FULL POWER?? seriously....

football isnt just attacking, nor is it just defending. its attaining the right balance between the 2 and when i say right balance, i dont mean 50% attack, 50% defend. i mean, every team has its own varied balance which helps them defend well yet attack and score the necessary goals and that balance is achieved based on the squad abilities, squad availability, coach's ideas and other external circumstances.


its nothing to boast about when u lose to a team who was missing half its starters, and that too at bernabau and try to justify it by saying, they defended with 11 players and we were all attack

real madrid didnt deserve to win today.
accept ur loss, give credit where its due and be optimistic about the future.

yea so you expect them to defend with 11 players and kick the ball out every time they have possession? obviously after they get possession they form a quick counterattack with a couple of players or pass it around and slowly build an attack, should they lose the ball they still have most of their players back and will immediately revert back to 11 man defense. so it does not mean they did not play ultra-defensively. so yes... it is either completely defensive or balanced or completely attacking, and juve was the 1st.

what would it matter missing half of your team when you play completely defensive, if they had their attacking options in the game it would not change because i doubt a superstar attacking player is better at defense then a substitute attacker.

i did accept our loss, but i am not giving credit to a team who played cheap, ugly, and skilless football, and still needed to get away with 2 penalties and a red card.

my point is that ANY team can get results by playing ultra defensive, you would have to suck REALLY badly to allow the ball to pass the couple meter long goal when 11 players are obstacles and close angles. even malaysia was able to limit iran to a 2-0 win and 1 goal had to come off an arguable penalty. does that mean malaysia is good? no they are garbage! you can only be good if you are good at the point of the game... attacking.

[yashar_fasihnia]

well there arent many teams in the world who can come and play an open game at bernabau, and expose their defense to real's attacking power and expect to leave with more than 0 points, are there??
so wat should all these teams do in ur opinion??

[milad]

well there arent many teams in the world who can come and play an open game at bernabau, and expose their defense to real's attacking power and expect to win are there??
so wat should all these teams do in ur opinion??

go for the win. if you dont go for the win i believe it is not sportsmanship. the better team should win. if you play better than madrid then attack and beat them, prove it. dont play cheap and get a win that does not mean anything. if you cant beat them by going for the win, that means you dont deserve it so why would you even want to? now i agree with tactics to a certain point... like going all out defensive in the last 10 minutes of a world cup final to protect your lead... but to come into a game with defensive mentality is stupid.

[yashar_fasihnia]

go for the win. if you dont go for the win i believe it is not sportsmanship. the better team should win. if you play better than madrid then attack and beat them, prove it. dont play cheap and get a win that does not mean anything. if you cant beat them by going for the win, that means you dont deserve it so why would you even want to?

first of all, WAT IF THEY DONT NEED A WIN?? WHY SHOULD THEY?? WAT IF A DRAW IS ENOUGH FOR THEM??

secondly, if they know they cant plan an open game because their defense cant handle madrid's offense, WHY ACT STUPID AND STILL PLAY AN OPEN GAME?? baba...every team has weak points, and they need to cover their weak points, not expose them, just because they want to win!
winning doesnt just come by playing an open game, winning comes by playing a smart game.
sometimes smart game means counter attacking, sometimes smart means attacking.

if the better team should win (and by better, u mean if only that team attacks and exposes its defense), then every year, only 7 or 8 teams should play each other because they got all the good players and since only open attacking football is the option, only these teams have the ability to win with an open defense! but then the whole point of "worldcup" or "eurocup" would be lost because in this way, the smaller teams stand no chance at all to win anything!!

sorry but that is not wat football is all about and that is not wat FIFA wants... its the strategies, ideas and tactics that matter, not the flair.

juve played better than madrid, infact, madrid was totally crap today because madrid had no solution for juventus while juventus had the perfect solution for madrid. juve was able to neutralize all of madrids offensive powers, all those strikers and midfielders who are among the best in the world, while at the same time, attacking and scoring twice and could have scored more as well. no body or no group of people will succeed without a plan, and the best plan always wins, which is wat happened to ranieri and his men today.

[milad]

first of all, WAT IF THEY DONT NEED A WIN?? WHY SHOULD THEY?? WAT IF A DRAW IS ENOUGH FOR THEM??
secondly, if they know they cant plan an open game because their defense cant handle madrid's offense, WHY ACT STUPID AND STILL PLAY AN OPEN GAME?? baba...every team has weak points, and they need to cover their weak points, not expose them, just because they want to win!
winning doesnt just come by playing an open game, winning comes by playing a smart game.
sometimes smart game means counter attacking, sometimes smart means attacking.
if the better team should win (and by better, u mean if only that team attacks and exposes its defense), then every year, only 7 or 8 teams should play each other because they got all the good players and since only open attacking football is the option, only these teams have the ability to win with an open defense! but then the whole point of "worldcup" or "eurocup" would be lost because in this way, the smaller teams stand no chance at all to win anything!!
sorry but that is not wat football or FIFA wants...

they did need a win though. now, if it was quarterfinals: a leg consisting of 2 games is like one long game so that means they were playing for the win still, by defending their lead 2-1 lead.

but yea if a team does not need to win (for example, need 1 point to win the league in the last game of the season) then it is fair to play for the draw.

small teams have a better way to win... by actually outplaying the opponent. it DOES happen. do you think every time a smaller team beats a big team its because they parked the bus?

[yashar_fasihnia]

small teams have a better way to win... by actually outplaying the opponent. it DOES happen. do you think every time a smaller team beats a big team its because they parked the bus?

ahan, the key is "outplaying" but the problem is, how do u define outplaying??

i define outplaying as "playing smarter and using the right tactics to cover up ur weakness and exploit ur strenghts, and exploiting the opponents weaknesses and neutralizing their strenghts"

now u may define it as "the team that plays better AS LONG AS THEY DONT PLAY DEFENSIVE"

no, not always do smaller teams beat bigger teams by defending in numbers but also consider, how many times have actually smaller teams beaten bigger teams by NOT PARKING the bus??
if u take a ratio..u will see the latter is a much smaller ratio.

besides, having an organized defense, even if it involves larger number of players, is not easy at all.

P.S. they didnt need the win because it wasnt the quarter finals but just the group stages and 2 teams qualify from each group and juve were already leading the group with a good margin.

[milad]

ahan, the key is "outplaying" but the problem is, how do u define outplaying??

i define outplaying as "playing smarter and using the right tactics to cover up ur weakness and exploit ur strenghts, and exploiting the opponents weaknesses and neutralizing their strenghts"

now u may define it as "the team that plays better AS LONG AS THEY DONT PLAY DEFENSIVE"

no, not always do smaller teams beat bigger teams by defending in numbers but also consider, how many times have actually smaller teams beaten bigger teams by NOT PARKING the bus??
if u take a ratio..u will see the latter is a much smaller ratio.

besides, having an organized defense, even if it involves larger number of players, is not easy at all.

P.S. they didnt need the win because it wasnt the quarter finals but just the group stages and 2 teams qualify from each group and juve were already leading the group with a good margin.

your definition suites "winning" not "outplaying." my definition of outplaying is "being the more dangerous team- creating more quality chances... looking more likely to win." its simple, you win by "outscoring" your opponents and if you outplay a team (using my definition) then you deserve to win. if not you know luck played a role.

if you play 10 man defense it is very easy to defend.

they needed to win to secure qualification and increase chances of topping the group.