you guys should respect german football....

[yashar_fasihnia]

ROFL thats because when you lose 4-0 and got raped you cant say you played better. im sure if you played better and lost by a goal you would not have stayed silent. so you are making excuses, but when i say reasonable things like we lost to liverpool by more goals than we should have because of the ref and that we were forced to attack leaving space behind and it was at anfield you dismissed my excuses completely so you think i am going to listen to your excuses? what goes around comes around.

4-0 son. your team is done. no excuses.

if we had the same performance yesterday with a stronger defence and lost 1-0, i would still say we were absolutely pathetic UNLIKE U WHO ALWAYS FINDS A WAY TO BLAME THE REFEREE, LUCK OR THE OPPONENT BY CLAIMING THEY DEFENDED WITH 11 PLAYERS!
inspite of losing 4-0 and then call ur arguments "reasonable"

im not even bothered if u listen to me or not, u said something i replied!
i know ur mentality very well, so it doesnt bother me

and in reality, i think we have done wat we could in CL which was reach the last 8 teams. i was hoping for a semis but it was going to be difficult and drawing barca with 5 - 6 of our starters missing wasnt gonna help!
a quarter finals appearance and being among the final 8 teams with this squad is right about wat we deserved anyways, which btw, once again was better than wat u guys performed in CL!

if im not mistaken, i think i read somewhere that real madrid's european coefficient has now placed them in the second seeded teams from next CL thanx to their 5 years continuous choking against teams from serie A, EPL and bundesliga, so enjoy SON!

again, i dont see myself justifying our performance to make it even sound as an excuse but its ok... people like u were long waiting for us to fail,so i understand u guys had it all bottled up and now is a good chance to pour some of it out

[Masoud_A]

what about that russian team that bayern lost 4-0 to?
did they spend more money than bayern?
got to accept bayern has been disappointing past few years and chocked in important moments, like uefa semi(?) CL and now in the league.

If you want to talk about individual results, I can make a list of Barca's humiliating losses, so instead of being kewn shagh cause you got a great result, think before posting and try to comprehend the point people try to make.

[shayan20]

i dont know how much more embaressing results bayern is going to get before they sack kilinzman.
btw if you guys think bayern could have got anything from this match had they had all their absent players, THINK AGAIN!
don't like to use these words against bayern but barca really toyed around with bayern the entire game, we just wanted to conserve energy for the tight schedule we have, since the 4-0 was enough to get us thorough even if we play c team in munich.
these days must really sad days for bayern fans.

[maniei]

90% of the posts here are off topic.

I dont get why you guys cant post your bayern - barca comments in the bayern thread

[ardi11]

aslan chera faghat be bayern gir midin?

hsv won against man. city 3-1 ...a team that can buy robinh just like that


also bremen won against ac milan this year and yesterday against udinese

[milad]

if we had the same performance yesterday with a stronger defence and lost 1-0, i would still say we were absolutely pathetic UNLIKE U WHO ALWAYS FINDS A WAY TO BLAME THE REFEREE, LUCK OR THE OPPONENT BY CLAIMING THEY DEFENDED WITH 11 PLAYERS!
inspite of losing 4-0 and then call ur arguments "reasonable"

im not even bothered if u listen to me or not, u said something i replied!
i know ur mentality very well, so it doesnt bother me

and in reality, i think we have done wat we could in CL which was reach the last 8 teams. i was hoping for a semis but it was going to be difficult and drawing barca with 5 - 6 of our starters missing wasnt gonna help!
a quarter finals appearance and being among the final 8 teams with this squad is right about wat we deserved anyways, which btw, once again was better than wat u guys performed in CL!

if im not mistaken, i think i read somewhere that real madrid's european coefficient has now placed them in the second seeded teams from next CL thanx to their 5 years continuous choking against teams from serie A, EPL and bundesliga, so enjoy SON!

again, i dont see myself justifying our performance to make it even sound as an excuse but its ok... people like u were long waiting for us to fail,so i understand u guys had it all bottled up and now is a good chance to pour some of it out

didnt you ridiculously deny my excuses that we had half a season of injuries? and now you are saying bayern has injuries! face it man you are extremely biased. everyone knows. what more proof do you need LOL.

[milad]

aslan chera faghat be bayern gir midin?
hsv won against man. city 3-1 ...a team that can buy robinh just like that
also bremen won against ac milan this year and yesterday against udinese

who said? every time real madrid lose we get hell. now you lose 4-0 and are saying why ppl pick on bayern? LOL!

[persepolisfan]

germany foreva

[milad]

Manchester United Declared The World's Richest Club Ahead Of Real Madrid - Report

There are concerns about the global economy at the moment, but football is continuing to coin it in as this year's Forbes rich list shows...


Manchester United have retained their position as the world's richest football club ahead of Real Madrid and join nine other Premier League teams in the top 25.
The Red Devils' are considered to be worth €1.42 billion by Forbes, well ahead of los Merengues, who are reported to be worth a figure of €1.03b.

Arsenal are, somewhat surprisingly, in third position, while Barcelona are in seventh place, despite their overall wealth increasing by 22 per cent from last year's summary.

Madrid and the Blaugrana are the only two Spanish representatives on the list. There are also four Italian sides, five teams from the Bundesliga, two French sides and the Old Firm representing Scotland.

The show of strength from the Premier League is highlighted by Tottenham Hotspur's position of 11th, which places them above Inter, Roma and Olympique Lyonnais.

Spurs have only won two League Cups in the last ten seasons and never qualified for the Champions League.

Chelsea's value only sees them make it into eighth place while Manchester City are back in 17th with a value of just €236 million, less than both Hamburg and Borussia Dortmund.

Top 25 clubs: (€, 000,000's)

1 Manchester United 1,423
2 Real Madrid 1,030
3 Arsenal 913
4 Bayern Munich 845
5 Liverpool 768
6 Milan 753
7 Barcelona 730
8 Chelsea 609
9 Juventus 457
10 Schalke 04 388
11 Tottenham Hotspur 339
12 Olympique Lyonnais 322
13 Roma 290
14 Inter Milan 281
15 Hamburg 251
16 Borussia Dortmund 247
17 Manchester City 236
18 Werder Bremen 222
19 Newcastle United 217
20 Stuttgart 201
21 Aston Villa 183
21 Olympique de Marseille183
23 Celtic 166
24 Everton 158
25 Rangers 148

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/englan...ahead-of-real-


non top 4 english clubs suck with all that money they are not better than spanish/german teams. this just proves how good la liga is because only barca and real are on this list but there are still all these quality teams like valencia, villareal, atletico, sevilla. and rofl at "its all about playing beautiful football" businessman wenger.

[ardi11]

no milad jan you misunderstood me. you guys took my thread topic to a different topic.


you can attack eachother as much as you want, idc but this thread isn't aboput that you know

[chuck bass]

1)i didnt make up excuses, so get that STRAIGHT! did i say we played good? did i say we were unlucky? did i say we didnt get outplayed and didnt deserve to lose? so wat "excuses" did i make?
i reminded everyone the circumstances surrounding that game which was the truth and inspite of that, i said we would still lose even with a fully fit squad, but probably with a better performance and a smaller margin, DIDNT I? SO AGAIN, WHERE DID I MAKE EXCUSES?
it was a total justifiable loss and i never said anything positive about bayern in the game! u on the other hand be a man and accept that we played without 5 or 6 of our starters FOR WATEVER reason AT NOUCAMP WHILE BARCA PLAYED A 100% FIT SQUAD!
like i said, my guess is that if we had played a fully fit squad against ur fully fit squad, we would probably lose be a lesser margin and wouldnt play that poor!
i dont see where im making excuses here and if u dont want to accept such a TRIVIAL point, then the only person being in denial is u!

i would like to see how barca would play if they didnt have valdez, puyol, marquez, alvez, abidal & henry AWAY! u think it wont make A MAJOR DIFFERENCE in ur performance?
here is ur chance, lets see u answer this question of mine WITHOUT MAKING EXCUSES!


2)i never said if bayern had the same budget as the other european powerhouses we would put the entire europe in our back pockets,but we would surely play better and progress further than the quarter finals in CL. at the end of the day, only one team becomes a champion and if we had the same budget they did, our chances of winning would be significantly more.AGAIN, ANOTHER TRIVIAL POINT!
and just a reminder, just because some teams mismanage their money and cant succeed with so much of spending doesnt mean every team will fail inspite of spending so much!


3)and the scoreline isnt respectful at all, no 4-0 scoreline is respectful to any team!
BUT, u cant compare the 2 circumstances of bayern losing 4-0 to barca and madrid losing 4-0 to liverpool because:
a)madrid has a stronger squad with MUCH MORE depth on the bench than bayern.
b)liverpool didnt play with a 100& fully fit squad unlike barca (if i remember correctly? need confirmation on this plz)
c)barca is arguably the strongest team in the world at the moment, the results, the stats and the performances are clear indications of that. they are a better team than liverpool.
d)madrid's budget is much more than bayerns, and again, their players get paid astronomical salaries compared to bundesliga players who all are enforced salary caps!

and inspite of all this, we made it 1 step further than madrid in the tournament. yes, i know we got sporting lisbon and they got liverpool but hey, its their fault they ended up 2nd in the group stage and lost to juve on their own ground while we ended up first BY BEATING LYON IN FRANCE ITSELF! so we made our own destiny and got a good draw as well while they made theirs and ended up getting liverpool!

we were missing half of our starting defence; millito and abidal..so our squad wasn't 100% fit

the gk wasn't even missing, he was benched. the coach will field the team he feels is best out of the available players, and he clearly felt that butt was a better choice than rensing for this game. besides, do you honestly think rensing would've made ANY difference at all?

also bayern didn't exactly field their u19 team..just look at the midfield:Ribery, Sweinsteiger (not sure how to spell his name), Van Bommel and Ze Roberto: all of them play for their respective national teams, which are all top 10 national teams. demichelis also plays for argentina, and lell has played for germany. toni plays for italia and is one of the worlds top 10 (5?) strikers

btw earlier this season, we beat atletico madrid 3-0 AWAY while resting 9 players, so your argument is invalid lol. there you go, a answer to your question without excuses

[yashar_fasihnia]

90% of the posts here are off topic.

I dont get why you guys cant post your bayern - barca comments in the bayern thread

exactly, while noone is even trying to justify bayerns loss to barca, people are still claiming we are making excuses!

i dont know how much more embaressing results bayern is going to get before they sack kilinzman.
btw if you guys think bayern could have got anything from this match had they had all their absent players, THINK AGAIN!
don't like to use these words against bayern but barca really toyed around with bayern the entire game, we just wanted to conserve energy for the tight schedule we have, since the 4-0 was enough to get us thorough even if we play c team in munich.
these days must really sad days for bayern fans.

again,

1)barca didnt stop at 4-0. they tried more in the 2nd half, specially the first half an hour but couldnt score any more, last 15 minutes they just cooled down. we all saw the game with our own eyes, so please dont take a pissed off rensing's comments as the truth. rensing is the same guy who lashed back at karl heinze rummenige after rumennige criticized his performance! he is young and arrogant!

2) if bayern would have played with its full squad, we definitely wouldnt have played so bad and probably would have lost with a smaller margin, and hence, it wouldnt be a big fuss cos it would be a usual CL game with 1 team winning.

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now about the klinsman comment, i dont know how much of the blame he shoudl take. we are probably the only team in the bundesliga who doesnt have a DM.
with the departure of hargreaves to man utd and demichellis solidfying his position as a CB, we dont have a defensive midfielder, so we are forcing van bommel to play as one!
we have a very young inexperienced keeper and we have pathetic full backs except for lahm.
as u can see, our defensive aspect is pissssssss poor which explains the 2-3 heavy losses under klinsman.
i would blame klinsman and the bayern management for overlooking this aspect of the squad, more than the heavy losses.

we would still have lost games, but if we had ATLEAST either one of a quality DM or a quality GK, we wouldnt lose with such heavy margins! and this is wat is making the difference now. but at the end of the day, wat goes under klinsmans CV are these results and nothing else, so he has to be blamed for it as well.

however, on the other hand, the fact that klinsman is not very experienced, and this bayern team doesnt really have the fighting spirit that the germans are known for, could be flaws on klinsmans side.

[yashar_fasihnia]

didnt you ridiculously deny my excuses that we had half a season of injuries? and now you are saying bayern has injuries! face it man you are extremely biased. everyone knows. what more proof do you need LOL.

first, u werent missing 5-6 starters like we were and ur depth on the bench is muchhhhhhhhhhhhh deeper than ours!

second, i denied ur other excuses like we lost but we didnt get outplayed! juve defend with 11 players, referees fault cost us, etc....


so i think u should face two things now:
1)u need to get ur facts straight.
2)u once again prove to be the biased one who is ready to say anything, no matter correct or wrong, just to accuse me of bias!

"LOL"

[yashar_fasihnia]

we were missing half of our starting defence; millito and abidal..so our squad wasn't 100% fit

the gk wasn't even missing, he was benched. the coach will field the team he feels is best out of the available players, and he clearly felt that butt was a better choice than rensing for this game. besides, do you honestly think rensing would've made ANY difference at all?

also bayern didn't exactly field their u19 team..just look at the midfield:Ribery, Sweinsteiger (not sure how to spell his name), Van Bommel and Ze Roberto: all of them play for their respective national teams, which are all top 10 national teams. demichelis also plays for argentina, and lell has played for germany. toni plays for italia and is one of the worlds top 10 (5?) strikers

btw earlier this season, we beat atletico madrid 3-0 AWAY while resting 9 players, so your argument is invalid lol. there you go, a answer to your question without excuses

u were missing half of ur DEFENSE, that is 2 players out of 11 although marquez isnt any worse than a starter himself!
we were missing 4-5 players OUT OF THE WHOLE SQUAD! how are the 2 comparable?

and dadashe man, when i say we were missing 4-5 players, it also means we were having another 5-6 starters on the field which u named above! i never said, we were missing 11 starters! i said we were missing, 4-5 starters, and mostly all in defense. we had to play a 19 year old breno who hasnt played more than 180 minutes the entire season this year!
lell and oddo are pathetic and just cos they have a few caps under their belt doesnt mean they are good.
and just to let u know, lell has only played twice for german U21 and 0 for german national team!
he is so poor even in german U-21, he has had only 2 caps! so imagine that!

but the flawed squad is nobody's fault except bayern managements fault itself and i only blame them, for it and noone else.

u beat atheletic madrid 3-0 with ur 9 players rested, not some european powerhouse!
we also beat sporting lisbona 7-1 with many of our players rested, but are sporting lisbona a european powerhouse?
so sorry, bur ur answer is invalid.
we played against barca, a european powerhouse and currently the strongest team in the world without 4-5 starters AWAY.
u played athletico madrid when resting some players (and remember how much more depth ur bench has compared to us), how are the 2 situations comparable??

[yashar_fasihnia]

Manchester United Declared The World's Richest Club Ahead Of Real Madrid - Report

There are concerns about the global economy at the moment, but football is continuing to coin it in as this year's Forbes rich list shows...


Manchester United have retained their position as the world's richest football club ahead of Real Madrid and join nine other Premier League teams in the top 25.
The Red Devils' are considered to be worth €1.42 billion by Forbes, well ahead of los Merengues, who are reported to be worth a figure of €1.03b.

Arsenal are, somewhat surprisingly, in third position, while Barcelona are in seventh place, despite their overall wealth increasing by 22 per cent from last year's summary.

Madrid and the Blaugrana are the only two Spanish representatives on the list. There are also four Italian sides, five teams from the Bundesliga, two French sides and the Old Firm representing Scotland.

The show of strength from the Premier League is highlighted by Tottenham Hotspur's position of 11th, which places them above Inter, Roma and Olympique Lyonnais.

Spurs have only won two League Cups in the last ten seasons and never qualified for the Champions League.

Chelsea's value only sees them make it into eighth place while Manchester City are back in 17th with a value of just €236 million, less than both Hamburg and Borussia Dortmund.

Top 25 clubs: (€, 000,000's)

1 Manchester United 1,423
2 Real Madrid 1,030
3 Arsenal 913
4 Bayern Munich 845
5 Liverpool 768
6 Milan 753
7 Barcelona 730
8 Chelsea 609
9 Juventus 457
10 Schalke 04 388
11 Tottenham Hotspur 339
12 Olympique Lyonnais 322
13 Roma 290
14 Inter Milan 281
15 Hamburg 251
16 Borussia Dortmund 247
17 Manchester City 236
18 Werder Bremen 222
19 Newcastle United 217
20 Stuttgart 201
21 Aston Villa 183
21 Olympique de Marseille183
23 Celtic 166
24 Everton 158
25 Rangers 148

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/englan...ahead-of-real-


non top 4 english clubs suck with all that money they are not better than spanish/german teams. this just proves how good la liga is because only barca and real are on this list but there are still all these quality teams like valencia, villareal, atletico, sevilla. and rofl at "its all about playing beautiful football" businessman wenger.

man, milad, do u ALWAYS HAVE TO EMBARASS URSELF???

DID U EVEN BOTHER READING MY EARLIER COMMENTS OR U JUST JUMP ON UR KEYBOARD TO TYPE ANYTHING THAT COMES TO UR MIND??

1)BUNDESLIGA HAS SALARY CAPS! it doesnt matter how rich u r but when players are not allowed to get a salary above a certain value, even if they are worth it, then it makes the players reluctant to come to bundesliga

2)BAYERN MAY BE ONE OF THE RICHEST, BUT, IT DOESNT SPEND OR RATHER, ITS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEND TOO MUCH TO AVOID GOING IN DEBTS - AGAIN A LAW IN GERMANY! (members residing in germany, if anyone can confirm this, it will be great!)
just because someone is rich doesnt mean he will spend. noone said bayern is a poor team, we said bayern's budget isnt as big as the other teams! the bayern management tries to avoid debts and is one of the very few top european clubs who has no debts!


3)if im not mistaken, this list shows the worth of a team, i.e., if someone wants to buy one of these clubs today, its the price mentioned above.
in other words, it includes the assets as well and not just the liquid cash available to them, but it doesnt show the spending power of the clubs! so for example, allianz arena which is bayerns new stadium is one of the most modern and probably most expensive stadiums of the world with very modern facilities, and adds value to bayern's figure above, but it doesnt help in its spending power now does it?
and think of it this way, teams like chelsea and man city can also be fed with more money from abramovic and the abu dhabi company whenever necessary, but bayern cant do that! so, this list isnt showing the worth of abramovic but rather the worth of chelsea FC club only! abramovic himself has other businesses which add to his worth but dont add to chelsea's worth! however, whenever required, abrahamovic can bring money from his other businesses and pour into chelsea! but bayern cant do that! so this list is only one way of accountants comparing the european clubs. there are many different accounting ways clubs can be compared and make the list look so different.

most european teams are over spending and are in massive debts and need billionaires to come and bail them out! bayern is not in that situation because it works within a fixed budget!