Who are KSA football stars???

[El Matador]

el matador do you think that the KSA team would have nearly as much success if they weren't the best funded team in asia and africa?

Salam raminio05...

This matter of whether money brings success or not necessarily, has been always been debatable.....

On one side, football development always needs the necessary infrastructure (for which KSA are never short of)....but when you see the successes the African + South American nations one tends to conclude that success in football is always up to some decent players and stable management of the team (the coach).....Its not a problem financially for this to happen....

KSA has a wealth of talent, driven by the huge public interest in football and they have an excellent league to nurture such talents. BUT, they have a problem in manager selection + stability.....

So, I'd conclude that KSA would've been a great football power even with a normal budget....the evidence for that lays in the consistent generations of successful football teams that KSA are providing since 1984.....

The most recent evidence is in the last 2-3 years....In the last Asian Cup, KSA made significant changes to the squad before the competition, and eventually reached the final !! (beating Japan 3-2 in a great football match).....Yet after a year, they fielded a very different team in this year's World Cup qualifiers....this team were able to defeat Iran 1-2 in the Azadi !! (this team is 60%-80% different than the one who beat Japan in the Asian Cup)....

It's obvious that KSA are not missing anything on the basic factors of success: good mix of talents + decent managers.....

[Nariman]

lol El matador you are doing like KSA is the best team in the world

Man, you just won one time vs Iran in Azadi so stop with that.
It was just one game and you already think KSA is 100000000000 better than Iran.

Then you come to this forum and gives us tips for our football

lol can you explain me why you are on this site??
Just for making everybody angry with you "KSA football team"?

You are doing like you know a lot about football and we dont.
Stop with that please.

You know nothing about Irans current situation and what happend in the past, so you shouldnt comment!

[raminio05]

Salam raminio05...
This matter of whether money brings success or not necessarily, has been always been debatable.....
On one side, football development always needs the necessary infrastructure (for which KSA are never short of)....but when you see the successes the African + South American nations one tends to conclude that success in football is always up to some decent players and stable management of the team (the coach).....Its not a problem financially for this to happen....
KSA has a wealth of talent, driven by the huge public interest in football and they have an excellent league to nurture such talents. BUT, they have a problem in manager selection + stability.....
So, I'd conclude that KSA would've been a great football power even with a normal budget....the evidence for that lays in the consistent generations of successful football teams that KSA are providing since 1984.....
The most recent evidence is in the last 2-3 years....In the last Asian Cup, KSA made significant changes to the squad before the competition, and eventually reached the final !! (beating Japan 3-2 in a great football match).....Yet after a year, they fielded a very different team in this year's World Cup qualifiers....this team were able to defeat Iran 1-2 in the Azadi !! (this team is 60%-80% different than the one who beat Japan in the Asian Cup)....
It's obvious that KSA are not missing anything on the basic factors of success: good mix of talents + decent managers.....

you just stated a bunch of irrelevent facts and suddenly came to the conclusion that the suadie team would be just as good without the money.

african and south american teams have most of their squads playing integral roles in clubs in europe, so the comparison is just silly.

their fielding a different sqaud and still (relatively) having success points to the fact that its the funding more than anything thats leading to their success.

Take aways their money (which in turn means no world class coaches, facilities, leagues, equipment, etc.), and the KSA team would be as succesfull as your typical Persian Gulf team.

[raminio05]

And trust me, beating Iran in Azadi this time around wasn't a great feat. With the state of Iranian football at the moment, it was like kicking an old tired man while he was on the ground, with well funded and brand new saudie shoes.

[milad]

come to think of it is silly to say who is better. if everyone put the same amount of money/infrastructure/management/etc... then it would be decided by who is genetically better in the sport. which would be iran in this case, but being proud of that would be like the same concept as being "proud" of being born in a country. i think iran is only 2nd to south americans when it comes to who is better at the sport talent-wise.

[El Matador]

come to think of it is silly to say who is better. if everyone put the same amount of money/infrastructure/management/etc... then it would be decided by who is genetically better in the sport. which would be iran in this case, but being proud of that would be like the same concept as being "proud" of being born in a country. i think iran is only 2nd to south americans when it comes to who is better at the sport talent-wise.

Yeah right

[El Matador]

And trust me, beating Iran in Azadi this time around wasn't a great feat. With the state of Iranian football at the moment, it was like kicking an old tired man while he was on the ground, with well funded and brand new saudie shoes.

Well, how did that old man scored the opening goal in the first place !!!!!!!!

[El Matador]

you just stated a bunch of irrelevent facts and suddenly came to the conclusion that the suadie team would be just as good without the money.
african and south american teams have most of their squads playing integral roles in clubs in europe, so the comparison is just silly.
their fielding a different sqaud and still (relatively) having success points to the fact that its the funding more than anything thats leading to their success.
Take aways their money (which in turn means no world class coaches, facilities, leagues, equipment, etc.), and the KSA team would be as succesfull as your typical Persian Gulf team.

You have to look for yourself first....you're just stating whatever you believe (and unwilling to change it whatsoever)...with nothing to justify it, a proof, or any evidence !!!!

I gave you an example of how KSA can field different teams and play at a high level....AND, different teams = different players = different talents....So KSA has the very basics of football success: Talent + decent coach...

Everyone keeps saying Iranians play abroad while Saudi's are not....So What ??!! that is good for themselves....a "team" performance and achievements is not decided by how many players you got abroad !!.....Again I highlight it's the "TEAM" achievements NOT the individuals.

Here are some examples:

- Brazil is the country with the largest number of professional players abroad, yet they lost to France (a nation with lesser players abroad) in WC 2006....Does that mean that Brazil will always be better than France !!...The French team was a better team in 2006.

- There are professional players from Trinidad & Tobacco (Dwight Yorke) or Zimbabwe (Bruce Groubilar of Liverpool)....Does that mean that those nations are better than KSA JUST because they have players in England !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Demis-11]

saudi should probably be a lot better than they are considering all the money they invest, i also dont think peseiro is anywhere close to being world class coach

that being said there are several solid teams with very minimal financial support (bosnia is one that comes to mind)

[Armani]

El Matador, Trinidad & Tobago can beat any Arab team Like they did to our beloved Bahrain....

[El Matador]

saudi should probably be a lot better than they are considering all the money they invest, i also dont think peseiro is anywhere close to being world class coach
that being said there are several solid teams with very minimal financial support (bosnia is one that comes to mind)

If you look at it closley Demis-11....KSA are spending a normal budget on their national team...whatever it takes to have a decent coach....that is done by many top African nation that considered inferior to KSA or Iran financially.....most of the Saudi funding goes to sponsor the Saudi league itself, the national team is managed like any other nation.

[Rostam]

Matador, when Bahrain has a decent team which is known for giving strong Asian sides (Iran, Japan, etc.) trouble, why do you focus so much on Saudi Arabia? For a small island, Bahrain has gotten impressive results. It's a team on the rise.

Another thing, many Saudi players are not purely Arab, and are visibly African. Look at former Asian Footballer of the Year, Hamad al-Montashari. Is the Saudi team the pride of Arabs, even though a great deal of its players are of African descent?

Anyway, you seem like a good guy. It's just interesting that a Bahraini appears to be a fervent follower/defender of Saudi football. Your own country's team isn't half bad. Do Sunni Bahrainis feel a strong bond with Saudis?

[El Matador]

El Matador, Trinidad & Tobago can beat any Arab team Like they did to our beloved Bahrain....

No they can't.....Can they beat KSA, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia !

[El Matador]

Matador, when Bahrain has a decent team which is known for giving strong Asian sides (Iran, Japan, etc.) trouble, why do you focus so much on Saudi Arabia? For a small island, Bahrain has gotten impressive results. It's a team on the rise.

Another thing, many Saudi players are not purely Arab, and are visibly African. Look at former Asian Footballer of the Year, Hamad al-Montashari. Is the Saudi team the pride of Arabs, even though a great deal of its players are of African descent?

Anyway, you seem like a good guy. It's just interesting that a Bahraini appears to be a fervent follower/defender of Saudi football. Your own country's team isn't half bad. Do Sunni Bahrainis feel a strong bond with Saudis?

Rostam....

First, the question was about KSA...
Second, KSA is the main Arab football power in Asia.
Third, Why I defend Saudi ??!!....mainly because of irrational + racist views here and because We're all Arabs, all of us came from the same clans/tribes, the borders that you see these days doesn't mean that we feel too different or separated.... I feel supportive for whatever Arab-Muslim team/club.

Excuse me...BUT, saying some Saudis are of African origins is just absurd and ridiculous...Most of the people you're talking about carry Arab names/clans (you know how distinguishing that is in the Arab world)...Arabs mixed with them since thousands of years, they DON'T represent a separate idnetity within the Arab world, they ARE part of the Arab world....

The same thing could be said about all races !!!....Can you deny that people of Iran are a mix of Persians, Turks, Arabs,....etc....DO YOU KNOW that you have a player of Arabian origin in your CURRENT national team ?!!

[EZLN]

Rostam....
First, the question was about KSA...
Second, KSA is the main Arab football power in Asia.
Third, Why I defend Saudi ??!!....mainly because of irrational + racist views here and because We're all Arabs, all of us came from the same clans/tribes, the borders that you see these days doesn't mean that we feel too different or separated.... I feel supportive for whatever Arab-Muslim team/club.
Excuse me...BUT, saying some Saudis are of African origins is just absurd and ridiculous...Most of the people you're talking about carry Arab names/clans (you know how distinguishing that is in the Arab world)...Arabs mixed with them since thousands of years, they DON'T represent a separate idnetity within the Arab world, they ARE part of the Arab world....
The same thing could be said about all races !!!....Can you deny that people of Iran are a mix of Persians, Turks, Arabs,....etc....DO YOU KNOW that you have a player of Arabian origin in your CURRENT national team ?!!

and.. Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, Mongols, Russians, Indians, Elamites, and Armenians