2009 NBA Playoffs

[Keyan]

what the **** kasra? give me a ****ing break.



another slightly angle of kobe charging up his elbow



First, i lost any respect i had for Kobe for thinking hes so bad he can get away with anything he does, Phil Jackson for allowing such behavior on the court, and that leftover utah piece of shit fisher for what he pulled and tried to be a funny guy out of it.

Second, i will lose respect for the nba altogether if a team like this one can win and advance pulling obvious dirty moves just because they have an image to uphold and are expected to win.
They cant win fair and square so they do it the only other way.

I was afraid from the beginning with Joe Crawford reffing tonight knowing this owuld happen.

But the Rockets have been cheated out of wins before, lets face it, theyre going to steal it from us again one way or another.


imo like ron said he was trying to establish to kobe bryant that what he did is unacceptable.

imagine kobe pulling dirty moves on your team for the beginning of the series like talking trash like "he can't guard me" and kneeing and doing little ***** ass cheap shots on a honest and hard-working guy like shane battier who doesn't cause ANY drama whatsoever who goes out and bust his ass every night playing FUNDAMENTAL basketball only to ultimately get elbowed in your throat by this dirty player and for the refs to have the audacity to call a foul on you and turn a blind eye to the sneaky dirty under-handedness of kobe

imo ron just ****ing snapped. that was the straw that broke the camels back, he didnt go there with the intention of getting ejected but with the intention of im tired of this bullshit and this dirty ass player sneaking cheap shots on my my team and me so he went to kobe to establish the statement of "i know what the **** you are doing and i dont play that shit, keep up with that shit and i'll beat your ****ing ass" to show kobe he doesn't play that shit

imo ron is excused because at the end of the day a dirty player was slipping through the cracks and ron called him out on it

think. if ron never said anything then probably nobody to this day would care or realize the dirty act put on by kobe and most likely would have been forgotten or blown under the rug. ron's actions imo brought spotlight to the cowardly play of kobe bryant that people have been seeing for awhile now. In the mean time, hail RON ARTEST

[KasraKhan]

i'm not even a rockets fan...my hometown team is the bulls ..

Oh really? You're not a Rockets fan? Just the Bulls eh?

This quote is from Page 2 of this very same thread:

bulls and rockets fan here praying that they both advance..

I thought you werent a Rockets fan? Only Bulls right?? Rofl.

You just got owned, dont post in this thread anymore. I wouldnt if I were you. I'd be embarassed as hell and just disappear.

And you call me a homer. A real homer is a fan who pretends he is neutral while favoring his team the entire time.

[KasraKhan]

what the **** kasra? give me a ****ing break.

Thanks for posting this. It actually gives a much better angle for my argument.

6-7 seconds into the video, Artest's arm comes up and is on Kobe's face/shoulder. He extends his arm even more trying to get more leverage on Kobe's face. That was where the dirty play started. Then Kobe retaliated, its simple.

I'm a Laker fan yes, but one thing I'm not is a Kobe lover. I am more critical of him than any other Laker fan. I was a Laker fan before Kobe put on the jersey, and I will remain one after he takes it off.

Yes, he is acting like a ***** in these playoffs. But he just has too much on the line not to be. His entire legacy is at stake here. Thats why he is so emotional and he cant contain his emotions as well as M.J. could. Kobe will literally be suicidal if he doesnt end up winning a title without the Diesel.

The Battier play in Game 1 was dirty, yes, I hate when he keeps yelling "he cant guard me" after every shot he makes, and the Artest incident was 50/50. But I'm never giving the benefit of the doubt to Ron with the reputation he has.

Oh btw I think Kobe keeps yelling "he cant guard me" because Battier is known to be a great defensive player on Kobe. With his patented hand-in-face style, and his hours of homework and studying of Kobe's shots, Battier can guard Kobe just as well as anybody in the league. So when Kobe got hot, he got arrogant and started mouthing off. Thats all there is to it.

[Keyan]

Thanks for posting this. It actually gives a much better angle for my argument.
6-7 seconds into the video, Artest's arm comes up and is on Kobe's face/shoulder. He extends his arm even more trying to get more leverage on Kobe's face. That was where the dirty play started. Then Kobe retaliated, its simple.I'm a Laker fan yes, but one thing I'm not is a Kobe lover. I am more critical of him than any other Laker fan. I was a Laker fan before Kobe put on the jersey, and I will remain one after he takes it off.
Yes, he is acting like a ***** in these playoffs. But he just has too much on the line not to be. His entire legacy is at stake here. Thats why he is so emotional and he cant contain his emotions as well as M.J. could. Kobe will literally be suicidal if he doesnt end up winning a title without the Diesel.
The Battier play in Game 1 was dirty, yes, I hate when he keeps yelling "he cant guard me" after every shot he makes, and the Artest incident was 50/50. But I'm never giving the benefit of the doubt to Ron with the reputation he has.
Oh btw I think Kobe keeps yelling "he cant guard me" because Battier is known to be a great defensive player on Kobe. With his patented hand-in-face style, and his hours of homework and studying of Kobe's shots, Battier can guard Kobe just as well as anybody in the league. So when Kobe got hot, he got arrogant and started mouthing off. Thats all there is to it.

wow lol wtf? i'm not about to have this argument with you.


look at kobe wind his elbow and then swing it into ron's throat, watch both clips if you have to




you can clearly see he tried to pass of a dirty move as a "in the moment, basketball move". ffs, he's not even reaching for the ball to get a rebound, he just blatantly elbowed him in the throat on the sly

[KasraKhan]

We can agree, to disagree. You're a Rockets fan, and I'm a Lakers fan. Its obvious that we wont see eye-to-eye on a contreversial incident like this.

But you guys got what you needed, a split in L.A.

What did you expect? To be up 2-0?

[ommy48]

Ya man, youre right. I dont know anything about basketball.
Do you have eyes?? Look at the clip. 2 seconds into the clip Artest has his elbow on Kobe's shoulder/face. Elbowing is boxing out?
Artest is one of the dirtiest players of the era. And you're defending him. We are talking about the guy who went into the stands some years ago and punched 2-3 fans in the face. He is forearming Kobe in the face first, Kobe retaliates, and you call Kobe dirty. You must be the only person in the world who says Kobe is dirty and not Ron.
Thats why I dont post on the boards often, no hosseleh to deal with people like you. Somebody who labels " you must know nothing about basketball" after reading 1 of my posts.
Ya man, I know nothing about basketball, only you do. You're the God of basketball knowledge

[ommy48]

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Lakers-Rockets: Let's Get Ready To Rumble
By J.A. Adande
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Game 2 had a full menu of items, including a Kobe Bryant 40-point scoring outburst, a Ron Artest Ron-Ron outburst, disappearing 7-footers, and enough flagrant and technical fouls and ejections to submit a double-DVD for Stu Jackson to review. (And that doesn't even include the Houston player sent to the locker room by his own coach or the official cursed out by Jack Nicholson)

The Lakers' 111-98 victory evened the series at a game apiece, and now there's a whole Red Cross bank's worth of bad blood.

Instead of coaching adjustments, the next moves belong to Jackson, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations who attended the game at Staples Center and will have a busy day on his hands when he gets off his redeye flight back to New York.

Most significant is an elbow Bryant threw that caught Artest in the throat as they were jockeying for position under the basket. The NBA rulebook states that a player must be ejected for "An elbow foul which makes contact above shoulder level." By the standard that's been set in these playoffs, Bryant should be suspended. Orlando's Dwight Howard was when he elbowed Philadelphia's Samuel Dalembert in the head. Superstar or not, the head and neck have been deemed off-limits for elbows. (The lightest tap of the playoffs, Rafer Alston's slap upside Eddie House's head in the Magic-Celtics game Wednesday night, could also fall in this category).

Not only was Bryant not ejected, he wasn't called for a foul on the play. Artest was.

Feeling that justice wasn't served, Artest took some vigilante action, running across the court to Bryant, letting Bryant know that Artest is not to be, uh, messed with. It was probably more about planting a seed that Artest might just go off in Game 3, that next time there could be dire consequences.

"I was hoping the referees would tell him to stop, but then nobody told him to stop, so I had to tell him to stop," Artest said.

Bryant wanted no part of Artest. He raised his hands and looked away, afterward claiming to not even have heard Artest.

Kobe's explanation for the play: "We were both fighting for position. He was shoving me under the basket. I was just trying to establish position. It wasn't malicious at all."

Artest might get fined but won't be suspended. His ejection was more a response to the escalating tension in the game and an attempt to get it under control. Viewed on a TV screen in an office a continent away, it won't warrant further punishment.

The reason he got tossed was because the stakes were higher after Derek Fisher's flagrant 2 foul for delivering a hockey-style check to Luis Scola as Scola ran up to set a back screen. Flagrant 2 fouls result in an automatic ejection, plus review to determine if a suspension is warranted.

The explanation put forth by Fisher and advocated by Phil Jackson was that Fisher just wanted to fight through the screen and it looked worse because Scola stopped short of where Fisher expected him to be.

Uh-huh. We haven't seen someone take so long to load up since people were fighting with muskets.

[ommy48]

a funny take on the game:





SportsJustice
A sports blog with Richard Justice
May 07, 2009

How about the dirty play where Artest's throat attacked Kobe's elbow?

I don't know how much more the Lakers can take. Why can't we make this a good clean basketball game?

Did you see how the Rockets played dirty? One minute, Ron Artest is throwing his throat at Kobe Bryant's elbow. I mean, what if Kobe's elbow had been injured. Wouldn't that be awful?

Luis Scola did the same thing to Derek Fisher. Oh sure, it may have looked like Fisher was throwing the elbow. To see the play this way speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of the NBA.

``It would be very telling, very telling, if something happened,'' Shane Battier said.

Forget about it. Bryant got away with two cheap shots in Game 1, and he'll get away with the one he threw in Game 2 as well. Besides, this series won't be decided by the NBA proving it has a separate set of rules for Kobe Bryant. We already know that.

``I know one thing,'' Rockets coach Rick Adelman said. ``We're going to play basketball but we're not backing down from anybody.''

That's still no excuse for Artest losing control, for that idiotic throat-slashing gesture. On the other hand, Artest got through 89 games without really losing his mind, so this blowup was overdue. He was reacting to a night when one team attempted to impose its will and the other refused to back down. Amid the tension and hard words were five technical fouls and two ejections.

``You have to look at the situations after all the dust clears and find out what happened,'' Adelman said. ``Your team has to go out on the floor and play basketball and not worry about all this other stuff. I think it did get out of hand.''

Say this for the Rockets: they took punch after punch and kept coming back. The Lakers sprinted to a 14-point first-quarter lead by shooting 73 percent and almost blowing the Rockets off the floor.

Somehow, the Rockets gathered themselves behind their second unit and actually led by four points late in the first half. The Lakers opened the second half with another rush, and the Rockets fell apart.

First, Adelman sent Von Wafer to the locker room after the two exchanged words on the bench in the quarter. Then Scola got into it with Lamar Odom and Bryant. Then Fisher and Scola mixed it up. Then Artest went over Bryant.

``It was a good physical game,'' Bryant said. Artest scored 25 points in 34 minutes and was the most consistent thing the Rockets had going on offense. He departed midway through the fourth with the Rockets trailing by 10.

``They wanted to come out and show they were big and tough,'' Battier said.

Yao Ming wasn't a factor. Lakers coach Phil Jackson benched Andrew Bynum in favor of Lamar Odom, creating a tough match-up for the Rockets. Yao was forced to guard Pau Gasol, who is quicker and more of a perimeter player. Sure enough, Yao picked up two quick fouls in the first quarter, got a third before halftime and didn't become a factor until the game was out of hand.

His 12 points were irrelevant. If he can't stay on the floor, the Rockets can't win. Coaches had talked to him about moving his feet and not being caught flat-footed by Gasol's quickness. He was still caught doing exactly that.

[Türküm]

all i'm gonna say for now

Lakers are one of the dirtiest teams in basketball with Kobe being the leader of the filthy pack

[Puji]

just wanna say this and let u guys get back to ur fight. i was stunned by the celtics last night, all of them played with so much gheyrat that it wasnt funny. it gave me hope that we can make it to the end

[ommy48]

just wanna say this and let u guys get back to ur fight. i was stunned by the celtics last night, all of them played with so much gheyrat that it wasnt funny. it gave me hope that we can make it to the end

[KasraKhan]

You're still posting in this thread after you got humiliated?

Some nerve people have

[ommy48]

You're still posting in this thread after you got humiliated?
Some nerve people have

and you still like changing the subject matter because of a serious lack of reasoning ability; and an embarrassing propensity to hide behind your paucity of perspicacity with childish retorts?

[KasraKhan]

I have no reason, you're right.

But I had enough reason to make you look like a fool

[KasraKhan]

And lol @ you trying to show you're smart by using big words.

Good job man, you're so smart. Way too smart for me.