2009 PFDC Fantasy Basketball League

[ommy48]

Rose > Harris by a considerable margin
Young = Brewer
its pretty much in ommy's favour

this league is not about who is the better player, but rather statistics pure and simple. otherwise KD or Steve Nash or Chris Paul or Dwight Howard>>>Kobe Bryant which is clearly not the case even though they all have arguably better stats overall and thus are a more valuable player in a fantasy league.

Everytime I evaluate whether or not a deal is fair I evaluate it on a statistical level first and foremost and look at the player rankings for the past month and year. According to every stat and ranking, the deal is an entirely fair one. Is derrick rose a far better player than Devin Harris-yes, does that bear out with stats-no, much like the Monta Ellis comparison I made above, a fantasy league trade has little to do with the actual value of a player, but rather it deals entirely with his stats.

[Masoud_A]

this league is not about who is the better player, but rather statistics pure and simple. otherwise KD or Steve Nash or Chris Paul or Dwight Howard>>>Kobe Bryant which is clearly not the case even though they all have arguably better stats overall and thus are a more valuable player in a fantasy league.

Everytime I evaluate whether or not a deal is fair I evaluate it on a statistical level first and foremost and look at the player rankings for the past month and year. According to every stat and ranking, the deal is an entirely fair one. Is derrick rose a far better player than Devin Harris-yes, does that bear out with stats-no, much like the Monta Ellis comparison I made above, a fantasy league trade has little to do with the actual value of a player, but rather it deals entirely with his stats.

Rose is everyway a better fantasy player than Harris there is no doubt. Better FG better FGM better PTS average higher 3ptm and stuff.
Corey Brewer is also now in a better position than Young, Brewer is hot and aint gonna cool down soon. In this trade you win obviously.

[persianbruin]

yes i have one.. please no one can make up their own rules middle of the season just because they notice that they are not benefiting from it so they are going to convince others that "this rule is not good and not fair blah blah etc etc..." so please no changing rules middle of the season stick wit it till the end.



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I didnt wanna have an edge over you. I just wanted to make sure you guys didnt have an edge over me

again I point to what I said before: Its all about fairness to EVERYONE, regardless of how old you are where you live, how good you are at what you do, etc....)

Now I dont know if its you or babak who is gonna kick start the league next year, just make sure everyone is registered a few days before the draft that way I dont ahve to create a team like GBBA. That was a quick fix since some people didnt register till like minutes before the draft!

[Babak]

We made this clear not only in last year's league (which means it's not a new rule), but also again very recently: If a playoff competing team makes a trade with a team out of contention, it will be ruled on with strict scrutiny. That mean's unless there is overwhelming consent that the team out of contention clearly got the better end of the deal, then it will be vetoed. Here, I agree with the rest of the guys that Rose is equal to, if not better than Harris statistically, especially when you take into consideration that Harris has been labeled as a prime shut down candidate later in the year due to his team's record, while Rose has only picked up steam with his team in the playoff hunt. Brewer and Young's values are equal, although Brewer may perhaps be the slightly better option at this point.

At best you can argue that this is a fair trade between two playoff competition teams. One thing is clear, it does not pass the strict scrutiny test involving an out of contention team. If ommy wants to trade for Rose, he can go ahead and do so provided he gives more value to Ghormeh Sabzi. To the point that no one in this league would object to the fairness of the deal.

ommy's argument that Yahoo has no rules on this matter other than a trade deadline holds no water. This has always been a matter for individual league's to decide on, and our rule dates back to last year's league. ommy, despite being a new member this year, was given notice of this rule in the previous posts.

Rules are rules. Ghormeh Sabzi's season is over in 2 weeks. We certainly won't let him effect the balance of power right before the trade deadline because he has an itch to make a trade when 8 other teams will potentially be effected by the decision. Current trade as it stands is vetoed.

[persianbruin]

yo bull fans,

Your latest trade is fair. I am NOT going to veto it.

[Ghormeh Sabzi]

^^^oh my!! i was expecting some sort of a rule popin out from that old dusty rule book and saying u can't trade last years rookie of the year and dam best sophomore player this year and years to come for potentially this years rookie of the year or sumthin...or sumthin like, you can't trade two guys that played for memphis and one was 1st overall and the other one was 4th overall..


well im glad u kids can go to sleep tonight.

[persianbruin]

^^^oh my!! i was expecting some sort of a rule popin out from that old dusty rule book and saying u can't trade last years rookie of the year and dam best sophomore player this year and years to come for potentially this years rookie of the year or sumthin...or sumthin like, you can't trade two guys that played for memphis and one was 1st overall and the other one was 4th overall..
well im glad u kids can go to sleep tonight.

well thats his name

Goes to show you that if a deal is fair, it won't be rejected

[Babak]

We won't veto this one, but it should be noted that something is fishy. Take a quick look at how hard Rose has blown up the past few weeks, and take a look at how Tyreke has really struggled the past few games.

Pooya loves Rose and the Bulls, but suddenly wants to trade his favorite player for a guy who may be equal at best, but definitely not better? That's what you call collusion. I guess it's good to have a buddy in the league who doesn't care anymore because his season is over and just wants to hook you up before it's too late.

[persianbruin]

We won't veto this one, but it should be noted that something is fishy. Take a quick look at how hard Rose has blown up the past few weeks, and take a look at how Tyreke has really struggled the past few games.

Pooya loves Rose and the Bulls, but suddenly wants to trade his favorite player for a guy who may be equal at best, but definitely not better? That's what you call collusion. I guess it's good to have a buddy in the league who doesn't care anymore because his season is over and just wants to hook you up before it's too late.

I agree, but babak there is nothing in the rules going against this trade for the reason mentioned above. as long as it seems fair, we can't and shouldn't veto it.

This is why I think we should come up with some new rules for next year

[persianbruin]

btw, a question for Babak: do trades count towards moves?? Becasue I was under the impression that 35 was the most # of moves we could make and pooya is already at 35 but the system didnt reject the "36th" which would be the rose,evans trade.

If trades are allowed beyond 35, let me know Babak. There are trades I wanna offer Pooya myself!

[ommy48]

We won't veto this one, but it should be noted that something is fishy. Take a quick look at how hard Rose has blown up the past few weeks, and take a look at how Tyreke has really struggled the past few games.

Pooya loves Rose and the Bulls, but suddenly wants to trade his favorite player for a guy who may be equal at best, but definitely not better? That's what you call collusion. I guess it's good to have a buddy in the league who doesn't care anymore because his season is over and just wants to hook you up before it's too late.

There is nothing fishy old man. The trade I offered was by far the most fair one that anyone has proposed this year thus far. I am giving up this year's ROY who has consistently put up 20, 5, 5 EVER SINGLE MONTH for last year's rookie of the year. Rose simply does a couple of things better than Tyreke right now which I have a need of, whereas Tyreke's strengths (assists, boards, FTM) are a strength of my team even without him. Unlike you who regularly proposes one-sided deals and looks to swindle certain teams into your cunning traps, I have simply given up something valuable to get something valuable.

[Babak]

There is nothing fishy old man. The trade I offered was by far the most fair one that anyone has proposed this year thus far. I am giving up this year's ROY who has consistently put up 20, 5, 5 EVER SINGLE MONTH for last year's rookie of the year. Rose simply does a couple of things better than Tyreke right now which I have a need of, whereas Tyreke's strengths (assists, boards, FTM) are a strength of my team even without him. Unlike you who regularly proposes one-sided deals and looks to swindle certain teams into your cunning traps, I have simply given up something valuable to get something valuable.

Like I said, the trade is not vetoable based on numbers. However, a trade being vetoable or not has zero relevance to whether it may be collusive. When we talk about collusion, we are primarily referring to someone's intentions, not some numbers and statistics. Pooya's season is over; he has absolutely zero legitimate incentive to make a trade or attempt to improve his team. He couldn't care less about whether Devin Harris or Tyreke make his team better at this point. When someone has no incentive to improve, it puts their intentions behind any trade under a microscope. These pretty simple, straightforward, and logical reasons are why all legitimate fantasy leagues strictly regulate trades involving teams out of playoff contention.

With respect to my trade offers, the key difference that you conveniently leave out is that I'm sending my offers to the top teams, guys who are in the playoffs and obviously have a grasp of what they're doing. I'm not out there trying to strike last minute deals with the 11th place team, young fella.

[Babak]

btw, a question for Babak: do trades count towards moves?? Becasue I was under the impression that 35 was the most # of moves we could make and pooya is already at 35 but the system didnt reject the "36th" which would be the rose,evans trade.
If trades are allowed beyond 35, let me know Babak. There are trades I wanna offer Pooya myself!

No, trades don't count towards moves. You can make as many as you want.

[Ghormeh Sabzi]

We won't veto this one, but it should be noted that something is fishy. Take a quick look at how hard Rose has blown up the past few weeks, and take a look at how Tyreke has really struggled the past few games.

Pooya loves Rose and the Bulls, but suddenly wants to trade his favorite player for a guy who may be equal at best, but definitely not better? That's what you call collusion. I guess it's good to have a buddy in the league who doesn't care anymore because his season is over and just wants to hook you up before it's too late.

you would say sumthin like that.. first off i came here and said it to everyone.. there was no like private meeting or something lol
and i said since i dont think i got a shot im willing to trade cause maybe there is someone would be interested. and i said here so everyone can read it cause i know i was asked earlier in the year bunch of times by couple of ppl if im willing to trade(not just rose) and i said no, plus their offers were ridiculous.


now i was offered by someone which i did want to give rose to, but his offer was just one sided and not "fair" AT ALL... and it was way way worst then wat ommy had offered first(the trade everyone rejected) soo i didn't get no messages or nothin from anyone else except two ppl that were interested in rose again, and ommys offer was fair. if anyone else wanted rose then shit you should have said sumthin.






quit playa hatin from the sidelinez!
one more tyme for the fans!

[Demis-11]

Hichkas if you can, try and have your guys shoot terribly tomorrow so we can call it a weekend lol

and gotta love NYC! lost by 20 tonight against the Nets!