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    #46
    Originally posted by persianbruin View Post
    wow, I am reading different articles on different websites and people are totally trashing Lebron. I can't beleive I am saying this but I actually feel bad for him.
    and just for the record, people are pissed becasue of the way he handled it not for going to Miami. Going to Miami is a different story which in a way is Lebron's admission that I couldn't do it as top dog and I dont want the chanllenge to be the top dog. This article frm SI reflects my sentiments, titled "easy way out". READ THE LAST 2 PARAGRAPHS :
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp
    and saeed come on man! You are comparing PP to Lebron? Nobody in LA ever cared about PP. most of L didnt even know him and he didnt even stay around to attend college in souther cali. Lebron was god in Ohio. The cavs literally dumped Andre Miller (who happened to be a top PG back then) so they could increase their odds of winningthe lottery!
    and mf doom, You said he almost signed with the clippers. Did Lebron almost sign with the heat!?
    Kudos t Kobe for running an over weight distracted shaq out of town. He only won in iami becasue he got a paycut and dropped 30 pounds something the lakers wanted him to do but he DIDNT!
    secondly, there was no live tv or even radio event for Kobe. I remmber I was listnening to Fred Rogan on radio when John Ireland came on and said Kobe just agrred to stay a laker and al of that ONLY becasue Jerry Buss promised him players like Elton brand that the clippers had and the lakers didnt.
    Last but not least, Kobe had smush parker who besides the lakers nobody in the league wanted him even as a reserve. Cavs had Mo williams an allstar. Give it a rest man. If they were good enough to win 67 in regular season, they should be good enough to win in the playoffs.

    That statement says everything about you: you are a kobe fan boy.

    First off, I will bet you 100$ that mo williams will NEVER EVER make another all star team again. He made one all star team because he rode lebrons coat tails. He is arguably the worst all star since jamal magloire.

    Second, yeah smush parker does suck. But derek fisher, one of the most decorated point guards of all time doesn't. Nor does Phil jackson one of the best coaches of all time. And last but not least, getting pau gasol (the best big man in the league) doesnt suck either. Lebron has never, ever had such a players/coach along side him.

    I will agree the way lebron handled this was poor. THe one hour tv special was a punch to the groin of cav fans and he should have picked a better way of releasing the news. Having said that, there is no way the cavs fans could have handled this news properly. What other alternatives did lebron have of releasing the news he wants to go to miami? If he released it through a press release, everyone would have called him a coward. A twitter message? everyone would have called him a man child. There was no way he could have announced this without coming across like a vilian.
    The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer. ~Edward R. Murrow

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      #47
      Originally posted by mf_doom View Post
      That statement says everything about you: you are a kobe fan boy.
      First off, I will bet you 100$ that mo williams will NEVER EVER make another all star team again. He made one all star team because he rode lebrons coat tails. He is arguably the worst all star since jamal magloire.
      Second, yeah smush parker does suck. But derek fisher, one of the most decorated point guards of all time doesn't. Nor does Phil jackson one of the best coaches of all time. And last but not least, getting pau gasol (the best big man in the league) doesnt suck either. Lebron has never, ever had such a players/coach along side him.
      I will agree the way lebron handled this was poor. THe one hour tv special was a punch to the groin of cav fans and he should have picked a better way of releasing the news. Having said that, there is no way the cavs fans could have handled this news properly. What other alternatives did lebron have of releasing the news he wants to go to miami? If he released it through a press release, everyone would have called him a coward. A twitter message? everyone would have called him a man child. There was no way he could have announced this without coming across like a vilian.
      of course I am a Kobe fan and rightfully so!! but not blindly and I love'em for what he has done. Thank god for his rants or this team would still be playing with smush parker and Kwame brown.
      He could avraged 40 points a game but had 45 win seasons but he wasnt happy with that and people forget that he backed off of his trade demands BEFORE gasol came. The lakers had the best reord in the west in December 2007. Gasol came in February 2008. Need I say more?
      btw, as I am typing this I am making a DVD of my 16 year old tape of 1994 allstar game. Its amazing to see that BJ armstrong and scottie pipen were allstars with pipen winning the allstar gamemvp and horace grant the PF when they won their first 3peat was also an allstar but for the magic!!!!!! steve kerr is also in the 3 point shooting contest. wow!! man!!!!!!!!!! The talent that MJ had at his disposal is amazing. Lets just call the 09 and 10 laker champion team the only team in decades to win a championship with one superstar or hall of famer. whatever respect I had for Kobe before is multiplied by 10 now!

      I dont expect you or any other KH (that isknown to stand for kobe hater since its become an art! ) to become a KObe fan. But ignorant comments should be addressed with logical comments backed by true facts
      ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
      Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
      Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
      midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
      forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

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        #48
        Originally posted by persianbruin View Post
        of course I am a Kobe fan and rightfully so!! but not blindly and I love'em for what he has done. Thank god for his rants or this team would still be playing with smush parker and Kwame brown.
        He could avraged 40 points a game but had 45 win seasons but he wasnt happy with that and people forget that he backed off of his trade demands BEFORE gasol came. The lakers had the best reord in the west in December 2007. Gasol came in February 2008. Need I say more?
        btw, as I am typing this I am making a DVD of my 16 year old tape of 1994 allstar game. Its amazing to see that BJ armstrong and scottie pipen were allstars with pipen winning the allstar gamemvp and horace grant the PF when they won their first 3peat was also an allstar but for the magic!!!!!! steve kerr is also in the 3 point shooting contest. wow!! man!!!!!!!!!! The talent that MJ had at his disposal is amazing. Lets just call the 09 and 10 laker champion team the only team in decades to win a championship with one superstar or hall of famer. whatever respect I had for Kobe before is multiplied by 10 now!
        I dont expect you or any other KH (that isknown to stand for kobe hater since its become an art! ) to become a KObe fan. But ignorant comments should be addressed with logical comments backed by true facts
        Um.... Thank you for making my point for me? My point is that lebron james had nothing in cleveland. He wanted to win. He was tired of playing in a 3rd world city like cleveland with shit players and shit coaches. He may have handled it badly but his overall decision to leave cannot be argued against.

        So you're argument is that michael jordan won his championship with scottie pippen, horace grant and steve kerr (one of the best 3 point shooters of all time)? WOW OMG. MICHAEL JORDAN (just like kobe bryant) HAD GOOD TEAMMATES! Hey wanna really sh*t your pants? Phil jackson was his coach too!

        Btw, in 2007, did kobe win the championship?! Noooooooope. What happened in 2007? He got his ass handed to him by the celtics (lead by the trio of garnett, pierce, and ray allen). His team unraveled and had the worst choke job in nba finals history. Only when pau gasol came has kobe bryant been able to claim a championship (post shaq of course). Once again proving my point that the team matters more than anything else.

        Im gonna take a wild guess and say you are not a lawyer.
        The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer. ~Edward R. Murrow

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          #49
          Henry abbot, a voice of reason in a sea of madness:

          http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...f-lebron-james

          LeBron James, by objective measures the best player in the NBA, and a strong candidate to be the best ever in the sport, has created an experiment. Instead of joining the best team he could, he cast his lot with two very talented friends and a savvy organization.

          The rest of the roster is essentially a mystery, and cheap one at that.

          Could that possibly work?

          Maybe. No one -- not Pat Riley, not Erik Spoelstra, not LeBron James -- really knows. But they're about to try.

          It ought to be fun to watch, especially as there's a feel-good, almost fairy-tale angle: Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh really like playing together. This is sports at its most basic. You and your friends feel good when you meet at the park? You like how your skills mesh?

          Often the difference between superstars and other NBA players is work. It's not a hard and fast rule. But a lot of superstars have unbalanced lives. They put work first. They have more passion, more drive, more willingness to improve every little thing. In this, these players saw birds of a feather, and they flocked together.

          And it was no small whim. While their actual salaries are yet to be determined, they will be taking fairly massive pay cuts -- tens of millions -- to bet on their conviction that they'll find what they want playing together.

          Before this whole thing started, I was asking all kinds of NBA people what they thought would happen. An agent told me confidently that you almost never go wrong assuming every player will go where they can get the most money. So Wade would stay in Miami. James would stay in Cleveland. And Bosh would go somewhere by sign-and-trade.

          That is not what happened at all. Instead, the three united in the only city of the six on James' list which, according to a sophisticated study presented by the Knicks, gave James a zero percent chance at becoming a billionaire. In many ways it's one of the most amazing, selfless and unabashedly positive stories in sports.

          But that's not how people are seeing things for now.

          Instead, people are livid at the reviled James. The feeling is that the arrogant James has finally revealed his true self.

          I get that from Cleveland. This is a divorce. Miami is the new girl. Cleveland is the high-school sweetheart who did the hard work of raising the kids. Cleveland was always going to be pissed.

          But somehow strong emotions have been stirred all over the country. People hate the Heat. I have heard people say they will buy NBA League Pass for the first time in their lives just to root against the Heat. Poke around on Twitter, or even on the Cavaliers' official team website, and you'll see that James is being called every name in the book, from cowardly to egomaniacal.

          What is James' crime, exactly? I have been hashing out this issue with e-mailers over the last few hours. Most accept that he had the right to choose whatever team he wanted. Most accept that Cleveland was not the best team. Most accept that he played hard for the Cavaliers and -- this year's playoff disappointment notwithstanding -- got better results than could have been expected.

          Pretty much it boils down to the fact that he put himself on TV to make this decision, which sends the twin messages that he has an overblown view of his own role in the world, and that he's insensitive to how the whole thing would play in Ohio.

          And OK, fair enough. Quibble with his media philosophies if you'd like.

          But realize, if you're bitter, you're bitter about the format of his expression. Not the contents of his soul. And absent evidence he has done something actually wretched, it's a little extreme to call him nasty names on the Internet, isn't it?

          In this world of ours, you will find some truly terrible people. There are murderers. There are rapists. There are abusers, bullies, polluters, dictators and everything else.

          And this is the guy you need to single out?

          Even in the NBA's own pantheon, you will find Magic Johnson who once got a coach fired, Kobe Bryant who stood in a parking lot on hidden camera cursing his own team and coaches, Michael Jordan who fought with and bullied teammates. The list goes on and on. The point is, if you're in the mood to be charitable, you can love just about anybody. If you're in the mood to hate, you can hate just about anybody.

          Why is it that so many are in the mood to hate LeBron James?

          A theory: It's because he stepped out of place. Players play. That's how it was. They are quiet and sweaty craftsmen who ought not to be heard from except to call out plays and say "yessir" to the coach. The way sports used to be, owners did things like make billion-dollar decisions and general managers and agents did things like agonize over personnel.

          But that was always a myth. The owners, GMs and agents may have seemed like they held all the cards, but that's only because players weren't great at wielding the power they had. The players always drove the value, because they are what motivated the fans who paid for everything. It has taken decades, but eventually a player -- this player -- figured out how to really put himself in the driver's seat, with billionaire owners lining up, one by one, attempting to earn his valuable affections.

          He took the power of free agency and instead of just quietly using it to slip out the back door, he milked it. He played it out. He built his own roster. He played kingmaker.

          He went beyond exercising his rights. He demonstrated his might in the worlds of business, team management and media.

          It's not a role we're used to seeing athletes in, and it startled many. But I'm certain it's a role athletes belong in. People have analyzed how much a superstar like James is worth to a team. It's many times what he is paid every year, and has been throughout his career. It rivals what the whole team is worth. He has been paying the bills, in no small way, for the Cavaliers for years. That might not be appealing to think about, but it's true. James knows that, and -- even though it's not in the playbook of how athletes typically speak to the public -- he acted like it.

          Powerful people flexing their muscles in public is not uncommon. Have you seen Donald Trump? And even though James could not have been more respectful -- he thanked the six teams he met with, and didn't say a bad word about anybody -- he knew he was in the power seat. Some preferred a world where no athlete had ever done that. But that day is gone, and it's never coming back.

          My best guess is that the trappings of July 8 will fade quickly from view, and, as before this event, winning is all that will matter in how James is ultimately judged. If he gets titles, like Johnson, Bryant and Jordan all will be forgiven.

          But if I'm wrong, well then I guess that's OK too. The NBA just gained a ton of new must-see games. The Heat vs. the Cavaliers. The Heat vs. the Bulls. And the Heat vs. the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, Nets, Magic and everybody else. The show will go on, and James will be in the role he created for himself years ago, and cemented tonight, as the center of attention.
          The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer. ~Edward R. Murrow

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            #50
            who cares about these guys, the nba is extremely overrated my friends, these guys are nobodys.

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              #51
              ^^^

              its not that the NBA is overrated, its just lost its integrity..in the 90's, it was awesome to see stars leading their teams..with fierce rivalry and bitterness to follow...do you think Jordan, Hakeem, Malone and guys would meet up and "discuss" their Free Agency like has happened between Amare, Bosh, Wade, James, etc... not a chance

              now that the big three has landed in Miami, its still no guarantee there will be success..AT ALL.. considering the most important position is being played by Joel Anthony..sure this makes them better..but its no guarantee to win it all..anything can happen (and I can sure bet Bynum-Gasol will make Bosh-??? cry in their sleep)

              im not necessarily against this trade, because if it all comes crashing down, it makes it all the better
              Go Cows!

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                #52
                Originally posted by mf_doom View Post
                Um.... Thank you for making my point for me? My point is that lebron james had nothing in cleveland. He wanted to win. He was tired of playing in a 3rd world city like cleveland with shit players and shit coaches. He may have handled it badly but his overall decision to leave cannot be argued against.
                So you're argument is that michael jordan won his championship with scottie pippen, horace grant and steve kerr (one of the best 3 point shooters of all time)? WOW OMG. MICHAEL JORDAN (just like kobe bryant) HAD GOOD TEAMMATES! Hey wanna really sh*t your pants? Phil jackson was his coach too!
                Btw, in 2007, did kobe win the championship?! Noooooooope. What happened in 2007? He got his ass handed to him by the celtics (lead by the trio of garnett, pierce, and ray allen). His team unraveled and had the worst choke job in nba finals history. Only when pau gasol came has kobe bryant been able to claim a championship (post shaq of course). Once again proving my point that the team matters more than anything else.
                Im gonna take a wild guess and say you are not a lawyer.
                2007? and I am guessing you have no idea about the history of the game!!

                where did I make a point for YOU? I am saying mo willims was an allstar. Smush parker is not even in the league, what part of that you dont understand?

                you say kobe was handed his ass by the celtics, but he made it to the finals didnt he?? its not the second round of the playoffs. It was the FINALS. If you know anything about the game you know that it takes at least an entire season for someone to master the triangle andPau was only at the job for 3 months so even reaching the finals by itself was an accomplishment
                Also, injuries always put teams out of contention and it wasnt the first time it has happened to the lakers. In 1989 and 2004 both times the lakers suffered major injuries and as a result after reaching the finals lost the series (both to the pistons).
                When people say he this team is gonna win or that team is gonna win , there is always an unsaid condition and that is barring injury.

                I always agree that not one perso can do it. But leaving your own team to join to other superstar especially when one of those superstars has already won a championship with his team is admitting you couldnt handle the challenge as alpha dog. You want help but not help that equate or exceed you!

                and forget lawyer. Even if I am god your mind is made up. It wont make a difference. You are defending a player that the only titles he has won have been handed to him

                Lebron unfortunately for him is making the same mistake Kobe mae but the difference is that Kobe was 18 at the time he made that mistake. He is wants to wina championship at all costs but he has burnt many bridges and at the end of the day Wade will ahve one more championship and will be rememberd as the guy who said, I am the man and I am staying put, you suckers if you wanna win something you gotta join ME and nt vice versa.

                Last bu not least, you have henry abbot but almost everyone else on all websites says he is not gonna get the desrved credit once he wins a championship (or several of them) and remember these are the guys who wil analyze his bball career and some veterans are already saying he couoldnt handle the presure so he took the easy way out
                ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

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                "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                .
                Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                  #53
                  its funny cuz right after I posted the previous post, the guy on PTI (espn) said this is like Lebron going to Wade's houe where he owns the master bedroom but Lebron is in the guestroom. Now I am not saying I believe that personally, the same way I dont believe Kobe's contribution to lakers was on a sidekick level bt if the media keep saying that people will believe it just the same way they made people like you belive what you believe in Kobe's case.
                  ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                  Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                  Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                  midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                  forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

                  .
                  "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                  .
                  Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by persianbruin View Post
                    man!!!!!!!!!! The talent that MJ had at his disposal is amazing.
                    Jordan made all those at best Average players an ALL STAR..!! NONE, Including Pipen woulda amounted up to anything too special had they not played for Jordan's Bulls and learned the finer skills of WINNING from the Master first hand..!! NONE..!
                    Jordan was like a Clutch performing Player, on-the-floor Coach, Motivational leader and off-the-court Trainer for Bulls..!
                    He made Phil jackson the famous coach he is today..!! not the other way around.!
                    Yea there have been many pure 3 Point shooters who have played the game and won 3 point contests and yet very few have managed to drain the winning daggers when the game is on the line, time after time..!! Steve Kerr woulda been just another white boy overpowered and outrun by a bunch of super athletic brothers in the league had he not teamed up with Jordan..!! It was Jordan who would tell him where to be at exactly what time and what to do with the ball when he passes it to him ..!! He would be the guy who gives Kerr the confidence and belief to NAIL that shot, time and time again...!!
                    Just one of The differences between Michael and your latest wanna bees (Cobi and Lebron) was that he didnt have to team up with already polished top-notch , all star NBA players to succeed and win Rings...!
                    There was SOOOO MUUUUUUUCH MORE intangibles to Michael's game than those PPG, rebounds or Game-highs , or whatever :bs: #s (that your so infatuated with..!) that could possibly explain his AIRNESS's Superiority to any other ball player EVER,... before and after....!
                    You just have to have lived and witnessed his career through out to know beyond shadow of a doubt, that Neither Kobi nor Lebron CAN EVER AMOUNT UP TO THOKMEH CHAPEH MJ..!!

                    HE STILL IS THE UNDISPUTED GOD OF TODAY'S MODERN, ARTFUL, EXPRESSIVE, EXCITING BASKETBALL WITH WINNING PURPOSE..!! AND THE MOST PRAGMATIC, INTELLIGENT & VICIOUS COMPETITOR IN ALL OF SPORTS..!!
                    There is a Reason why He is Known easily as the Best Product Endorser of all time..!
                    there is a reason why His Name Sake Brand is only 2nd to NIKE itself in the whole world..!! While Cobi's shittt make the clearance section of Nike Sales Report almost every season since Nike was gracious enough to offer him an endorsement
                    of everyone, I expected at least you who actually witnessed his brilliance, not to get blinded by your Lakers eyeglasses and become delusional...!!
                    tryin to say some crazy horseshittt like Cobi is may be as good as Jordan.. ! Nigga iz u crazy...!!?????

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by BacheLot View Post
                      Jordan made all those at best Average players an ALL STAR..!! NONE, Including Pipen woulda amounted up to anything too special had they not played for Jordan's Bulls and learned the finer skills of WINNING from the Master first hand..!! NONE..!
                      Jordan was like a Clutch performing Player, on-the-floor Coach, Motivational leader and off-the-court Trainer for Bulls..!
                      He made Phil jackson the famous coach he is today..!! not the other way around.!
                      Yea there have been many pure 3 Point shooters who have played the game and won 3 point contests and yet very few have managed to drain the winning daggers when the game is on the line, time after time..!! Steve Kerr woulda been just another white boy overpowered and outrun by a bunch of super athletic brothers in the league had he not teamed up with Jordan..!! It was Jordan who would tell him where to be at exactly what time and what to do with the ball when he passes it to him ..!! He would be the guy who gives Kerr the confidence and belief to NAIL that shot, time and time again...!!
                      Just one of The differences between Michael and your latest wanna bees (Cobi and Lebron) was that he didnt have to team up with already polished top-notch , all star NBA players to succeed and win Rings...!
                      There was SOOOO MUUUUUUUCH MORE intangibles to Michael's game than those PPG, rebounds or Game-highs , or whatever :bs: #s (that your so infatuated with..!) that could possibly explain his AIRNESS's Superiority to any other ball player EVER,... before and after....!
                      You just have to have lived and witnessed his career through out to know beyond shadow of a doubt, that Neither Kobi nor Lebron CAN EVER AMOUNT UP TO THOKMEH CHAPEH MJ..!!
                      HE STILL IS THE UNDISPUTED GOD OF TODAY'S MODERN, ARTFUL, EXPRESSIVE, EXCITING BASKETBALL WITH WINNING PURPOSE..!! AND THE MOST PRAGMATIC, INTELLIGENT & VICIOUS COMPETITOR IN ALL OF SPORTS..!!
                      There is a Reason why He is Known easily as the Best Product Endorser of all time..!
                      there is a reason why His Name Sake Brand is only 2nd to NIKE itself in the whole world..!! While Cobi's shittt make the clearance section of Nike Sales Report almost every season since Nike was gracious enough to offer him an endorsement
                      of everyone, I expected at least you who actually witnessed his brilliance, not to get blinded by your Lakers eyeglasses and become delusional...!!
                      tryin to say some crazy horseshittt like Cobi is may be as good as Jordan.. ! Nigga iz u crazy...!!?????
                      the minute I typed it I was waiting for you and ommy to come and say something. You cat change the facts bachelot jaan. WITHOUT MJ on that team three of the first 3peat players were allstars in the 1994 season. It is what it is. Dont fight it. It'll hurt less
                      ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                      Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                      Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                      midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                      forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

                      .
                      "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                      .
                      Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                        #56
                        I have an idea. Lets cancel the next 7 NBA seasons and give Lebron/wade and bosh 7 rings each. Why waste our time!?
                        ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                        Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                        Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                        midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                        forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

                        .
                        "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                        .
                        Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                          #57
                          Bachelot im sure Pippen would be a big name player even without Jordan, he in his own right was an excellent player..maybe deserved a final MVP one time too
                          Go Cows!

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                            #58
                            Whatever integrity ESPN had as a reputable sports news, just got thrown out of the window. I think later on in his life LeBron is going to regret how he handled the situation. Right now people in his corner are saying, "You the man good job homie championship here we come." I know if I worked for someone for seven years, and I am leaving the company, I would have the courtesy of giving my boss at least a two week's notice.

                            If Cleveland was so good to LeBron, how could he dirty the "chain of command" like that. In Navy chain of command is a big thing so sorry if I am using some military analogies.

                            They still need to go out and win a championship the Lakers are not just going to roll over and die. PersianBruin just think imagine if Bynum stays healthy all year? Last year, when he was healthy, Bynum was playing at an all star level. I would rather have Kobe, Pau Gasol and Bynum plus LO, Artest and company vs the new big three.

                            We'll see how they get along mid way through the season why Miami faces some adversary. Right now everyone is going to say the right thing but somtimes having too many super stars is a bad thing. I know it's not really the same thing because they were at the twilight of their careers, but remember how it worked out when we had Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone, and Gary Payton? Oh and for those of you who think Miami is the new Real Madrid of basketball, that actually helps prove my point because Real Madrid does not win every year.

                            I commend LeBron for trying to get a championship vs taking the moey, but they way in which he handled the manner, along with "the decision" was the wrong way to go about it. D Wade is a classy dude but he's going to need to handle LeBron and Bosh when things don't go well. You can say all you want about LeBron but this is still Wade's team and he is the leader of theat team. Can LeBron handle that? What if LeBron does the dirty work and Wade hits five game winning shots in the first month? What if Miami is 17-22 to start the season how will they respond? What if they go down 2-1 in a playoff series? How will they respond?

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Demis-11 View Post
                              Bachelot im sure Pippen would be a big name player even without Jordan, he in his own right was an excellent player..maybe deserved a final MVP one time too
                              as I said pipen won the allstar game MVP awars the year jordan wasnt threre. Plus the team lost in the second round of the playoffs so they actually did have a great team
                              Originally posted by Persiantiger View Post
                              Whatever integrity ESPN had as a reputable sports news, just got thrown out of the window. I think later on in his life LeBron is going to regret how he handled the situation. Right now people in his corner are saying, "You the man good job homie championship here we come." I know if I worked for someone for seven years, and I am leaving the company, I would have the courtesy of giving my boss at least a two week's notice.
                              If Cleveland was so good to LeBron, how could he dirty the "chain of command" like that. In Navy chain of command is a big thing so sorry if I am using some military analogies.
                              They still need to go out and win a championship the Lakers are not just going to roll over and die. PersianBruin just think imagine if Bynum stays healthy all year? Last year, when he was healthy, Bynum was playing at an all star level. I would rather have Kobe, Pau Gasol and Bynum plus LO, Artest and company vs the new big three.
                              We'll see how they get along mid way through the season why Miami faces some adversary. Right now everyone is going to say the right thing but somtimes having too many super stars is a bad thing. I know it's not really the same thing because they were at the twilight of their careers, but remember how it worked out when we had Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone, and Gary Payton? Oh and for those of you who think Miami is the new Real Madrid of basketball, that actually helps prove my point because Real Madrid does not win every year.
                              I commend LeBron for trying to get a championship vs taking the moey, but they way in which he handled the manner, along with "the decision" was the wrong way to go about it. D Wade is a classy dude but he's going to need to handle LeBron and Bosh when things don't go well. You can say all you want about LeBron but this is still Wade's team and he is the leader of theat team. Can LeBron handle that? What if LeBron does the dirty work and Wade hits five game winning shots in the first month? What if Miami is 17-22 to start the season how will they respond? What if they go down 2-1 in a playoff series? How will they respond?
                              when Bynum was healthy in december 2007, the lakers had the #1 seed in the west and this is BEFORE the got Gasol
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                                #60
                                Originally posted by persianbruin View Post
                                2007? and I am guessing you have no idea about the history of the game!!
                                where did I make a point for YOU? I am saying mo willims was an allstar. Smush parker is not even in the league, what part of that you dont understand?
                                you say kobe was handed his ass by the celtics, but he made it to the finals didnt he?? its not the second round of the playoffs. It was the FINALS. If you know anything about the game you know that it takes at least an entire season for someone to master the triangle andPau was only at the job for 3 months so even reaching the finals by itself was an accomplishment
                                Also, injuries always put teams out of contention and it wasnt the first time it has happened to the lakers. In 1989 and 2004 both times the lakers suffered major injuries and as a result after reaching the finals lost the series (both to the pistons).
                                When people say he this team is gonna win or that team is gonna win , there is always an unsaid condition and that is barring injury.
                                I always agree that not one perso can do it. But leaving your own team to join to other superstar especially when one of those superstars has already won a championship with his team is admitting you couldnt handle the challenge as alpha dog. You want help but not help that equate or exceed you!
                                and forget lawyer. Even if I am god your mind is made up. It wont make a difference. You are defending a player that the only titles he has won have been handed to him
                                Lebron unfortunately for him is making the same mistake Kobe mae but the difference is that Kobe was 18 at the time he made that mistake. He is wants to wina championship at all costs but he has burnt many bridges and at the end of the day Wade will ahve one more championship and will be rememberd as the guy who said, I am the man and I am staying put, you suckers if you wanna win something you gotta join ME and nt vice versa.
                                Last bu not least, you have henry abbot but almost everyone else on all websites says he is not gonna get the desrved credit once he wins a championship (or several of them) and remember these are the guys who wil analyze his bball career and some veterans are already saying he couoldnt handle the presure so he took the easy way out
                                I can clearly see lakeritis is too deeply embedded inside you. I have heard the effects on the mind are terrible but now that i see it firsthand it is truly scary. I will pray for you persianbruin.
                                Lebron has made it to finals once. Taking a terrible cavs team to the nba finals (where they were promptly dismanteled by a superior team in the form of the San antonio spurs). Clearly you don't much about history.
                                Fact: Lebron was never going to win with this cav team. The ownership sucks. His coaches have sucked. The players have and will continue to suck.
                                Fact: Kobe never won anything on his own. He has won 5 championships. all 5 times he has had the best big man in the league with him (shaq and pau).
                                Fact: Lebron was tired of losing. He had for 7 years dragged this team and had done all he could. For that he was repaid with getting to play with the likes of larry hughes, eric snow, jeff mcinnis, a fat old shaq, zydrinaus ilgauskus (sp?).
                                Fact: He has chance to move to a first class city. Play with 2 of his good friends and be perennial title contenders for the next 5 years at least.
                                I will agree that he handled it poorly. But his decision cannot be argued with. He made a stone cold decision that anyone in his place would make. Some have said that this takes him out of comparison with MJ. Im fine with that. But people have started also saying that kobe bryant is also now above him. That i think is idiotic. Kobe has the better resume right now. But if this heat teams becomes dynasty with lebron at the helm? I don't kobe would still be above him, even inspite of lebron's stellar cast.
                                If you would like to disagree thats fine, but i will point to your laker bias. I on the other hand, im a simple raptors fan who wants to know why in gods name the raptors decided to sign amir johnson for crazy money.
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