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    #61
    Originally posted by Persiantiger View Post
    Whatever integrity ESPN had as a reputable sports news, just got thrown out of the window. I think later on in his life LeBron is going to regret how he handled the situation. Right now people in his corner are saying, "You the man good job homie championship here we come." I know if I worked for someone for seven years, and I am leaving the company, I would have the courtesy of giving my boss at least a two week's notice.
    If Cleveland was so good to LeBron, how could he dirty the "chain of command" like that. In Navy chain of command is a big thing so sorry if I am using some military analogies.
    They still need to go out and win a championship the Lakers are not just going to roll over and die. PersianBruin just think imagine if Bynum stays healthy all year? Last year, when he was healthy, Bynum was playing at an all star level. I would rather have Kobe, Pau Gasol and Bynum plus LO, Artest and company vs the new big three.
    We'll see how they get along mid way through the season why Miami faces some adversary. Right now everyone is going to say the right thing but somtimes having too many super stars is a bad thing. I know it's not really the same thing because they were at the twilight of their careers, but remember how it worked out when we had Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone, and Gary Payton? Oh and for those of you who think Miami is the new Real Madrid of basketball, that actually helps prove my point because Real Madrid does not win every year.
    I commend LeBron for trying to get a championship vs taking the moey, but they way in which he handled the manner, along with "the decision" was the wrong way to go about it. D Wade is a classy dude but he's going to need to handle LeBron and Bosh when things don't go well. You can say all you want about LeBron but this is still Wade's team and he is the leader of theat team. Can LeBron handle that? What if LeBron does the dirty work and Wade hits five game winning shots in the first month? What if Miami is 17-22 to start the season how will they respond? What if they go down 2-1 in a playoff series? How will they respond?
    I concur with this post except the if bynum healthy part. One thing i have learned is that playing the if game is a slippery slope. What if chris wallace wasnt a retarded and didnt gift the lakers pau gasol to the lakers? What if nba refs werent so corrupt would dallas have won a ring in 2005? You can play the what if game till the cows come home. You have to deal with reality. Bynum for all his talent, has the bones of a 35 year old instead of a guy in his early 20s. Alot like ralph sampson. He will never be the main guy that the lakers hope him to be.
    The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer. ~Edward R. Murrow

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      #62
      agha aslan to rast migi! dast az sareh kachaleh ma bardar!
      ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
      Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
      Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
      midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
      forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

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      "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
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        #63
        Originally posted by mf_doom View Post
        I concur with this post except the if bynum healthy part. One thing i have learned is that playing the if game is a slippery slope. What if chris wallace wasnt a retarded and didnt gift the lakers pau gasol to the lakers? What if nba refs werent so corrupt would dallas have won a ring in 2005? You can play the what if game till the cows come home. You have to deal with reality. Bynum for all his talent, has the bones of a 35 year old instead of a guy in his early 20s. Alot like ralph sampson. He will never be the main guy that the lakers hope him to be.
        Very interesting but I don't think Bynum will be another Ralph Sampson. Bynum is a lot more agile and when healthy he plays at an all star level. I will say this much though I played sports and got injured in high school, and I was never the same. I was able to get close to where I played before but no where to my full potential.

        If, and it's a big if, Bynum stays healthy, he can be in the all stars as a reserve. If you consistently can get 15 points 10 boards 3-4 blocked shots that is all you need from Bynum because he does more than what the stats indicate. He also is great at making you alter your shots. In basketball that is huge when you can take away the other big man's best shot.

        I know it's a long shot but I'm banking on Bynum staying healty this year.

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          #64
          I didnt want to post anything but I see so many lakers fans overrating a failure the size of Andrew Bynum while ignoring their second best player, Pau.
          Whats wrong with you FFS, wake up, open your eyes and accept the fact that BYNUM WILL NOT DO JACK FOR YOU BESIDE WASTING LAKERS MONEY!
          I really feel sorry for Pau Gasol, the guy plays with heart, he gives his best even when he has come back from injuries but lakers fans call him SOFT! still when it comes to Mr. Invisible always injured overrated useless as bulltits Bynum, every goddamn laker tries to cover up for him.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Masoud_A View Post
            I didnt want to post anything but I see so many lakers fans overrating a failure the size of Andrew Bynum while ignoring their second best player, Pau.
            Whats wrong with you FFS, wake up, open your eyes and accept the fact that BYNUM WILL NOT DO JACK FOR YOU BESIDE WASTING LAKERS MONEY!
            I really feel sorry for Pau Gasol, the guy plays with heart, he gives his best even when he has come back from injuries but lakers fans call him SOFT! still when it comes to Mr. Invisible always injured overrated useless as bulltits Bynum, every goddamn laker tries to cover up for him.
            bah bah amoo masoud kam peydaee? ma almaneeharo tanha gozoshti too jangeh ba bagheeyeh?

            Gasol is awsome when he shows up but he is a power forward not center. If bynum had not played in game 3 the lakers wouldnt have won. Thats the thing. Even a half healthy bynum made that much difference. This is no knock on Gasol who before coming to LA had not won one playoff game but now is a two time champion and an allstar and some even call him the best PF in the league. I guess that takes care of who makes players better around him argument!!

            hala amoo masoud, tarafdareh Miami hastee emsal?
            ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
            Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
            Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
            midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
            forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

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            "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
            .
            Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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              #66
              Originally posted by persianbruin View Post
              bah bah amoo masoud kam peydaee? ma almaneeharo tanha gozoshti too jangeh ba bagheeyeh?

              Gasol is awsome when he shows up but he is a power forward not center. If bynum had not played in game 3 the lakers wouldnt have won. Thats the thing. Even a half healthy bynum made that much difference. This is no knock on Gasol who before coming to LA had not won one playoff game but now is a two time champion and an allstar and some even call him the best PF in the league. I guess that takes care of who makes players better around him argument!!

              hala amoo masoud, tarafdareh Miami hastee emsal?
              I lost a lot of respect for LBJ because of the whole shit he pulled with ESPN. I dont blame him for leaving Cavs since I liked them due to LBJ playing there, Still doesnt make any difference to the way LBJ handled announcing his next destination. The upcoming season I have my eyes on the new kids on the block (OKC).

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                #67
                Originally posted by Masoud_A View Post
                I lost a lot of respect for LBJ because of the whole shit he pulled with ESPN. I dont blame him for leaving Cavs since I liked them due to LBJ playing there, Still doesnt make any difference to the way LBJ handled announcing his next destination. The upcoming season I have my eyes on the new kids on the block (OKC).
                wow. and I am now repecting you 10X more than before. Seriously, you hardly ever see a person with open mind these days. Its very refreshing! So damet garm.

                As you said its not the fact that he left. Its the way he handled it. Its got to a point that even ESPN is trying to defend themselves by saying we didnt pay Jim Gray. I think a press conference/ 1 hour special should have been called ONLY in the case that he was going to resign. anywhere else is rubiing salt in clevelandians wounds.

                OKC is awsome and as Kobe told those guys, I don't wanna see ya'll again. You are some bad mother....
                ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

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                "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                .
                Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                  #68
                  i think lebron will got to miami.
                  NEDA

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by shah(SK)kia View Post
                    i think lebron will got to miami.
                    ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                    Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                    Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                    midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                    forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

                    .
                    "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                    .
                    Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Demis-11 View Post
                      Bachelot im sure Pippen would be a big name player even without Jordan, he in his own right was an excellent player..maybe deserved a final MVP one time too
                      Pipen was a solid, highly regarded player comming out of college, yet he was just wasting away in supersonics?? I think?? Before the bulls traded some k1reee player for him. The guy had an amazing physique and was very athletic but he florished into an all star under jodan's leadership and guidance..! he lacked basketball intelligence and maturity and winning resolve & confident approach until he teamed up with the Best in Business and learned how to maximize, and more importantly Live Up to his full potential.
                      Jordan truly made players around him better , especially on mental aspect of the game..!
                      Originally posted by shah(SK)kia View Post
                      i think lebron will got to miami.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by BacheLot View Post
                        Pipen was a solid, highly regarded player comming out of college, yet he was just wasting away in supersonics?? I think?? Before the bulls traded some k1reee player for him. The guy had an amazing physique and was very athletic but he florished into an all star under jodan's leadership and guidance..! he lacked basketball intelligence and maturity and winning resolve & confident approach until he teamed up with the Best in Business and learned how to maximize, and more importantly Live Up to his full potential.
                        Jordan truly made players around him better , especially on mental aspect of the game..!
                        Bachelot jaan you have said this several times and with all due respect I don't think you understand what they mean when they use that phrase. Its used when a player is ON the team and the other players are playing alongside him. It means the player is ON the court and how the other players are feeding off of him and there overall level of play things like that.

                        For instance they say and we heard a gizzilion times that Magic johnson (or steve nash)makes players around him better. That means when he is ON THE COURT others play better. see?

                        player becoming better players on their own and maximize their own god given potential has to do with experience, maturity and a great coaching which phil Jackson provided that.
                        Again nobody can make anyone else more talented. YOu are who you are and its a god given talent. MJ had that. Kobe didnt. People were asking Kobe to make smush parker, chris Mihm, kwame brown, chucky atkins (the list goes on) more talented and I appreciate those people thinking of Kobe as GOD but he is juts human
                        MJ retired months ago before that allstar game. THose guys were good themselves and they proved it.
                        ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                        Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                        Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                        midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                        forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

                        .
                        "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                        .
                        Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                          #72
                          If you care about MJ's opinion on the Kobe/Lebron issue, here it is. Take it for what it's worth (not much):

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Babak View Post
                            If you care about MJ's opinion on the Kobe/Lebron issue, here it is. Take it for what it's worth (not much):
                            ]
                            Not really.
                            ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                            Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                            Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                            midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                            forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

                            .
                            "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                            .
                            Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                              #74
                              I am reading some of people's comments on ESPN and some are very interesting so thought I should post them here:

                              - My perspective is simple: there is no way Michael Jordan ever makes this choice. None. It's sad for Cleveland, that is for sure. But, honestly, I think it's sadder for basketball because we're missing the chance to see a basketball specimen come into his own and reach that rarified level of transcendent player. Maybe the Heat play beautiful basketball, but I think no matter what this will be remembered for three things: LeBron's ego, the realization that he is scared to be great, and that we all know, no matter what, Michael Jordan never would have chosen this path. LeBron will never touch Jordan's shadow at this point, let alone surpass him. And I think that lack of chase is a sad day for basketball.

                              -I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school.


                              Wade: 3 years at Marquette
                              Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech
                              The kid from Akron: no college


                              The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.


                              -Last night may have been the best PR moment for Kobe in his entire career. How many people are, just like me, going to be rooting for Kobe to tear LeBron apart on the court after that disgusting, narcissistic spectacle last night? LeBron really pulled off something to 'AMAZE' me last night ... he made Kobe 10 times more likable at 10 p.m. last night than 3 weeks ago.


                              -I think this is the first time in history one man managed to destroy an entire city by himself. Even the Enola Gay had a flight crew.

                              -I think we're realizing that LeBron was never made up of the same stuff as Kobe or MJ. And the things that we saw him doing in the future were things that we wanted for him, because of his transcendent skills. But in the end, he just didn't want those things. He was abandoned as a kid, if you see his high school documentary, you see all he wants to do is be a part of something, not be something. He just wants to be a part of a group and be wanted. We've just all along wished he was wired for greatness. He's not. And it's a shame.


                              -Just watched the LeBron train wreck. Just thought what Kobe is doing right now. Bet you he is in the gym right now. That's why LeBron will never win a title. LeBron does crap like this and Kobe gets better

                              -As a Kobe fan, I just want to thank LeBron. Debate is over and done with. Next up, Kevin Durant.

                              -Closest example to what LeBron did with Cleveland: Instead of proposing to your girlfriend, dumping your wife on the Jumbotron. At the Super Bowl.


                              -When it came out that Brad Pitt was divorcing Jennifer Aniston for Angelina Jolie, EVERY woman in the world wanted to hate Pitt. Yet, he handled his business and didn't talk about the reasons. Shortly after, women weren't holding a grudge and couldn't even remember not loving him (absolutely amazing!). Why? Because he didn't call an hour-long live TV spectacular to dump Jen for a hotter woman. After tonight no one will ever forget to hate LeBron.

                              -This is the day he went from being a lovable superstar trying to reach his potential to enemy number one. I want the Knicks to bring back Charles Oakley and Xavier McDaniel on 10-day contracts to injure him. I want Kobe Bryant (yes, Kobe!) to destroy him so badly every time they play that he loses confidence, Rick Ankiel style. I want him to lose in the first round and then break his leg in the offseason, only to see Wade and Bosh win without him (and have him screw up the chemistry when he comes back). I want him to join the French World Cup soccer team. I want him to go into the stands and attack a child in a wheelchair. I want it to come out that he was point-shaving. I want Cleveland fans to throw urine water balloons at him. I want Castro to annex Miami. I want Florida income taxes to spike to 73%. I want the Bulls to beat the Heat by 50 points every time they play. And I want LeBron's father to come out of the woodwork and say "You've brought shame on me and our family." This has moved me from the NBA fence to a die-hard Premier League fan. Goodbye NBA!


                              -As a Knick fan I'm not even mad, I'm just disappointed. He gave up. He quit. The most gifted basketball player ever said "I can't do it." How disheartening is that for sports fans? He had options, and good options, to be the man on a good team with a legitimate second banana (Amare, Rose) or stay with a 60-win team, but he chose to ride the coattails of Wade. Wow. He gave away his shot at being the greatest ever ... or even entering the discussion. What competitor does that?

                              -Who would have thought the biggest winners image-wise from the summer of 2010 would have been Kobe Bryant and Kevin Durant?
                              ----1990 TM, You will always have a special place in our hearts
                              Goalie-----------abedzadeh----------
                              Defense----hassanzadeh-----zarincheh-------moharami----
                              midfield---namjoo motlagh---shahrokh bayani---cyrus ghayeghran---eftekhari---Abtahi
                              forward-----pius-----marfavi-----

                              .
                              "Iranians are fiercely nationalistic", Michael Rubin, an Iran expert at the American Enterprise Institute
                              .
                              Sports doesn't build character. It reveals it - Legendary UCLA coach, John R Wooden

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                                #75
                                dont give a **** what people say. What is this Game about? To pull a city on your shoulders go out without a title and being loved by people of a city? Or win championships? What way Shaq choose? Went from Orlando to LA won 3 Championships and one more in Miami. He is known as one of the best if not the best Center in NBA History. So why hatin on Lebron so much?

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