Michael Jordan Preparing For Comeback At 50?

[Masoud_A]

I don't know what you are saying but I am saying he wouldn't own Kobe at the age of 50. Are you saying that? If so then GTFO here!

You brought in a wrong argument in answer to a stupid argument, you should both GTFO.

[persianbruin]

You brought in a wrong argument in answer to a stupid argument, you should both GTFO.

I am saying if thats what Kobe does to a 40 year old Jordan imagine what he would do to a 50 year old so his comment was stupid. By the way lets not forget that Kobe RIGHT NOW has more games under his belt that MJ. Mileage counts and Kobe is showing the cracks and even with those cracks he woulda scored 60-70 against the knicks on Friday if the score was kept close.

The only thing Toronto did wrong in that dark Sunday night back in Jan 2006 was that they kept the score close. If teams weren't overwhelmed and mentally destroyed Kobe would had a few 90 point games by now.

Back to that 55 point game: I remember it like it was yesterday and something hapened that night for the first time. After the game it was revealed that for the first time EVER Phil had told Shaq to play second fiddle and had given Kobe the green light to DESTROY the wiz all by himself in MJ's last game against Kobe. If he had done that more often then the lakers wouldn't have had to move shaq's ass outa there.

The reason you see those low scoring games from Kobe is because he was told not to shoot. Were you born yesterday?? Why do you think Kobe was so eager to get rid of shaq?? He talents were being suppressed. Shaq was like Basij and Kobe was like the green movement people!

[mkbf2]

No.

[persianbruin]

No.

look who is talking the guy from Maryland!

[persepolisfan]

lol that would be a nono

[NimzJ]

I am saying if thats what Kobe does to a 40 year old Jordan imagine what he would do to a 50 year old so his comment was stupid.

As Masoud pointed out, other than that one game Kobe exploded, they were almost pretty even. So you're saying a 24 year old lighting up a 40 year old is more impressive than a 40 year old holding his own vs a 24 year old?


And for the record...MJ could still probably ball at 50, but I can't possibly imagine him being able to defend Kobe, Lebron, or many other young explosive scorers in the game. He just can't.

The reason you see those low scoring games from Kobe is because he was told not to shoot. Were you born yesterday?? Why do you think Kobe was so eager to get rid of shaq?? He talents were being suppressed. Shaq was like Basij and Kobe was like the green movement people!

Lol are you serious dude? How was Kobe's talents being suppressed when he had similar stats to right now, if not better. Not to mention his field goal attempts were MORE back then than they are now.

How can one even win a championship when his talents are suppressed?

[EKBATAN]

ESPN is just bored and wants to get attention by any old headline, even if its not true, they got few viewers. No one is stupid enough to play at that age.

[persianbruin]

As Masoud pointed out, other than that one game Kobe exploded, they were almost pretty even. So you're saying a 24 year old lighting up a 40 year old is more impressive than a 40 year old holding his own vs a 24 year old?
And for the record...MJ could still probably ball at 50, but I can't possibly imagine him being able to defend Kobe, Lebron, or many other young explosive scorers in the game. He just can't.
Lol are you serious dude? How was Kobe's talents being suppressed when he had similar stats to right now, if not better. Not to mention his field goal attempts were MORE back then than they are now.
How can one even win a championship when his talents are suppressed?

Thank you for your post so here is a lil insider piece you won't get anywhere else

1) you didn't read what I said. First of all you dont know me. I am 36 years old and I have watched 5 out of 6 MJ championships as a 16+ year old person who was crazy about basketball to a point that caused a huge drop in my academic performance (I don't know how but somehow I got through). I don't rely on ESPN classic selections and what my dad and my cousins tell me. Most of these games ffrom 15- 20 years ago I remember VERY WELL better than some of these so called NBA experts on espn and other sites. I have actually embarassed a couple of them on live radio, one of them Dan Patrick but lets not talk about that. anyways all I was saying is that a 40 year old MJ couldnt contain Kobe how can a 50 year old do that?? Its just crazy talk from MJ fans who with all likelihood were too young to remember any of his bull games

2) 40 year old Jordan was far more fresh and healthy than what Kobe is now. The 2 years Jordan took time of and the caliber of his teammates helped him stay fresh compared to a Kobe who has his foot on the gas pedal nonstop for the last 15 years NONSTOP! I missed my chem lab to catch the MJ retirement show in Fall of 94. Trust me I have been watching this guy for a long time

3) one of the things that helped MJ stay fresh was his teammates. He had TOUGH and physical teammates who did all the grinding. Everyone likes to talk about scottie but the real unsung heros were the twoheaded monster of wellington and luc longley who OWNED the paint defensively and offensively in terms of clearing path for MJ and scottie. HORACE GRANT was physical as hell then cam dennis rodman the best rebounder the game has seen in decades and he was very physical too. Now lets talk about Bynum, Gasol, kwame brown and chris mihm. Physically there are nowhere near the MJ supporting cast. My advice to you is next time you are watching an MJ highlight or espn classic game which by the way only show his greatest games, look at what his bull teammates are doing when he is attacking the basket

4) you mentioned them winning chmapionships. Its the only reason Kobe was willing to put up with shaq's antics but once shaq started to get fat and lost out of 2 championships in a row, Kobe had had it and wanted shaq out. Bottom line is Kobe wanted to be the focal part of the offense like MJ and Lebron was/is. What he failed to realize is when you ask to be traded to a championship contender at the age of 17, a team that already has a few allstars you have to wait for a few years. That was a mistake on Kobe's part for wanting everything all at once but he was only 17

Kobe and Tim duncan have won 9 out of the last 11 NBA championships (pretty remarkable). The biggest difference between Kobe and Tim duncan is that Tim went to a superstar like david robinson who was a mature and nice guy and trained and welcomed the youngster/ Kobe went to an insecure arrogant shaq who acted childish when it came to treat Kobe.

[Masoud_A]

MJ>Kobe. Lets move on.

[NimzJ]

a 40 year old MJ couldnt contain Kobe how can a 50 year old do that?? Its just crazy talk from MJ fans who with all likelihood were too young to remember any of his bull games

As I stated above:

And for the record...MJ could still probably ball at 50, but I can't possibly imagine him being able to defend Kobe, Lebron, or many other young explosive scorers in the game. He just can't.

2) 40 year old Jordan was far more fresh and healthy than what Kobe is now.

Very debatable, but not worth getting into right now.

3) one of the things that helped MJ stay fresh was his teammates. He had TOUGH and physical teammates who did all the grinding. Everyone likes to talk about scottie but the real unsung heros were the twoheaded monster of wellington and luc longley who OWNED the paint defensively and offensively in terms of clearing path for MJ and scottie. HORACE GRANT was physical as hell then cam dennis rodman the best rebounder the game has seen in decades and he was very physical too. Now lets talk about Bynum, Gasol, kwame brown and chris mihm. Physically there are nowhere near the MJ supporting cast. My advice to you is next time you are watching an MJ highlight or espn classic game which by the way only show his greatest games, look at what his bull teammates are doing when he is attacking the basket

Don't tell me Kobe didn't/doesn't have a good supporting cast because that's asinine. Shaq, Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Ariza, Fisher...etc.

I do agree though, that they were not as TOUGH as MJ's teammates, however, times are much different. The whole league has changed. How many TOUGH physical players do you see today? Not too many.

[TM4LIFE]

Anyone seen the movie space jam ?

[ommy48]

So much fail in persianbruin's posts about the past that I won't even bother with this nonsense anymore. By the way I lived in Chicago and followed the NBA and the Bulls since 1988-89 and watched far more of their games than you did (you admitted in an earlier post that you started watching the NBA in 1992), so stop with this nonsense about the Bulls and Jordan and what they were or weren't....


"40 year old Jordan was fresher than Kobe..." Good God take off those Laker tinted glasses and stop spewing nonsense....

"Jordan played with pit bulls for teammates and Kobe only had jellyfish for teammates..." Stop it, you don't have the faintest clue who BJ Armstrong, Scottie "migraine and then chronic back pain" Pippen, Bill "bones' Cartwright were and how their games transformed over time to become the players that could contribute to a dynasty. And who could forget those juggernauts Jordan had at center : Bill Wennington, Will Perdue, Luc Longley, David Corzine not to mention those stalwart bench guys who were renowned for their velociraptor mentality: Jud Bueshler, Steve Kerr, John Paxson.

If you want to give warped and biased accounts of the NBA as it was, like you're some expert, with largely misleading information then stick to Laker websites, where such ignorance is touted and encouraged, otherwise stick to what you do best: fawning over Kobe Bryant.

And please stop using straw men (and sometimes imaginary points) to prop up your laughable arguments. No one who knows anything about basketball could reasonably state that Kobe or MJ won without great play from great teammates and mediocre ones alike.

And please don't utilize such giants like Dan Patrick to boast about you faulty NBA knowledge. Hell I don't care if you got letters of praise from Skip Bayless, Colin Cowherd, Jason SMith, Tony Bruno, Jalen Rose, Jeff Van Gundy, Chris Broussard, Marc Stein, John Hollinger, MArc Jackson, Reggie Miller, Doug Collins etc etc etc, that still doesn't mean that a 40 year old MJ WITH DEBILITATING TENDINITIS IN BOTH KNEES SUCH THAT HE NEEDED A SHOT BEFORE EVERY GAME JUST TO WALK ONTO THE COURT, TENDER RIBS, A POORLY HEALED GASH ON HIS SHOOTING HAND FROM A FREAK CIGAR CUTTER ACCIDENT AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS FREAKING 40 YEARS OLD WAS FCKING "FRESHER" THAN A 32 YEAR OLD KOBE Bryant...


On a serious note PB jan you know all of this banter back and forth between us is purely for fun and that I do really like you and enjoy your posts (just wanted that out there for the people who may not know us and our history). Anyhow you just don't know much about the NBA outside of the Lakers...lol

[persianbruin]

So much fail in persianbruin's posts about the past that I won't even bother with this nonsense anymore. By the way I lived in Chicago and followed the NBA and the Bulls since 1988-89 and watched far more of their games than you did (you admitted in an earlier post that you started watching the NBA in 1992), so stop with this nonsense about the Bulls and Jordan and what they were or weren't....


"40 year old Jordan was fresher than Kobe..." Good God take off those Laker tinted glasses and stop spewing nonsense....

"Jordan played with pit bulls for teammates and Kobe only had jellyfish for teammates..." Stop it, you don't have the faintest clue who BJ Armstrong, Scottie "migraine and then chronic back pain" Pippen, Bill "bones' Cartwright were and how their games transformed over time to become the players that could contribute to a dynasty. And who could forget those juggernauts Jordan had at center : Bill Wennington, Will Perdue, Luc Longley, David Corzine not to mention those stalwart bench guys who were renowned for their velociraptor mentality: Jud Bueshler, Steve Kerr, John Paxson.

If you want to give warped and biased accounts of the NBA as it was, like you're some expert, with largely misleading information then stick to Laker websites, where such ignorance is touted and encouraged, otherwise stick to what you do best: fawning over Kobe Bryant.

And please stop using straw men (and sometimes imaginary points) to prop up your laughable arguments. No one who knows anything about basketball could reasonably state that Kobe or MJ won without great play from great teammates and mediocre ones alike.

And please don't utilize such giants like Dan Patrick to boast about you faulty NBA knowledge. Hell I don't care if you got letters of praise from Skip Bayless, Colin Cowherd, Jason SMith, Tony Bruno, Jalen Rose, Jeff Van Gundy, Chris Broussard, Marc Stein, John Hollinger, MArc Jackson, Reggie Miller, Doug Collins etc etc etc, that still doesn't mean that a 40 year old MJ WITH DEBILITATING TENDINITIS IN BOTH KNEES SUCH THAT HE NEEDED A SHOT BEFORE EVERY GAME JUST TO WALK ONTO THE COURT, TENDER RIBS, A POORLY HEALED GASH ON HIS SHOOTING HAND FROM A FREAK CIGAR CUTTER ACCIDENT AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS FREAKING 40 YEARS OLD WAS FCKING "FRESHER" THAN A 32 YEAR OLD KOBE Bryant...


On a serious note PB jan you know all of this banter back and forth between us is purely for fun and that I do really like you and enjoy your posts (just wanted that out there for the people who may not know us and our history). Anyhow you just don't know much about the NBA outside of the Lakers...lol

Not gonna bother? it seems like you bothered a lot!

Remember that part of the movie braveheart when the "legend" of william wallace grew as the time passed by and people were saying he killed 50 men by himself? I see the same thing with MJ since 1998 till 2011. As great as the guy was and he maybe the greatest ever he was NOTHING like they portray him to be
You are a biased MJ and bulls fan and I won't even dignify your post with a lengthy response. All I know is that I have watched more MJ bulls games than anyone on this forum and I have no hatred towards him. I just say it the way it is. You dont wanna hear it, thats fine

[Masoud_A]

Cleveland> Lakers

[ommy48]

Not gonna bother? it seems like you bothered a lot!
Remember that part of the movie braveheart when the "legend" of william wallace grew as the time passed by and people were saying he killed 50 men by himself? I see the same thing with MJ since 1998 till 2011. As great as the guy was and he maybe the greatest ever he was NOTHING like they portray him to be
You are a biased MJ and bulls fan and I won't even dignify your post with a lengthy response. All I know is that I have watched more MJ bulls games than anyone on this forum and I have no hatred towards him. I just say it the way it is. You dont wanna hear it, thats fine

Uh no you haven't, last I checked 1988 is before 1992 and me living in Chicago means that I watched every single game he played during that time, I doubt you could say the same. And if i'm a biased Bulls fan then what does that make you as a Laker's fan?

Anyhow have fun watching the all-star game and I hope you enjoy watching the MVP Derrick Rose