Confederations Cup 2013

[Martin-Reza]

I disagree. It's what passes down from one generation to the next and what defines your lineage.

But also culture, language, behaviour, mindset and much more. Blood is not defining who you are.

[KeonKish]

Surely these types of arguments are thrown out the window (especially on PFDC) when discussing players wearing qatari jerseys.
Blood and genetics is what makes you and your parents consider yourself Iranian and what determines who your ancestors are regardless of where you live. Regardless of where Barwuah grew up and what culture he has experienced genetically he is Ghanaian. No matter how much a man feels like a girl, grows up amongst girls and experiences girly environments, as long as he has a penis he is a guy.

the problem is that you cant see the huge difference between someone like balotelli and ghasem burhan, one was born in italy, raised by italian parents and plays for italy, one was born in Senegal to sengalese parents and then decided to play for qatari national team while playing club football in their country, if you dont understand the difference then there is NOTHING to argue about.

[KC McElroy]

But also culture, language, behaviour, mindset and much more. Blood is not defining who you are.

I don't think any of the things you mentioned define lineage.

[KC McElroy]

the problem is that you cant see the huge difference between someone like balotelli and ghasem burhan, one was born in italy, raised by italian parents and plays for italy, one was born in Senegal to sengalese parents and then decided to play for qatari national team while playing club football in their country, if you dont understand the difference then there is NOTHING to argue about.

You either consider players wearing qatari jerseys as legit or you don't. No other way around it.

[EKBATAN]

Surely these types of arguments are thrown out the window (especially on PFDC) when discussing players wearing qatari jerseys.
Blood and genetics is what makes you and your parents consider yourself Iranian and what determines who your ancestors are regardless of where you live. Regardless of where Barwuah grew up and what culture he has experienced genetically he is Ghanaian. No matter how much a man feels like a girl, grows up amongst girls and experiences girly environments, as long as he has a penis he is a guy.

if someone has a link back to their old country it makes sense. Like Dejagah or Gucci or even Zandi...but in balo's case, he has never been to Ghana or i dont even think he speaks it. Even if he wanted to he would not easily be able to join the team. Also, Ghana could've approached him to be part of their squad but they didnt and even if they did, he is an italian born so they would have to get him citizenship to play for Ghana. Also, im sure because his parents left him, he does not even care for ghana to represent them....if ur parents fukked u over, u wouldnt wanna play for their country either. So what gives balo the incentive to represent Ghana?? so he can remember how his natural parents didnt accept him??
he did what anyone would...pick the country that has accepted him and helped him grow. And he became this good playing in Italy, if he was raised in Ghana he wouldnt even prob be a footballer...he'd be criminal or something lol

[KC McElroy]

if someone has a link back to their old country it makes sense. Like Dejagah or Gucci or even Zandi...but in balo's case, he has never been to Ghana or i dont even think he speaks it. Even if he wanted to he would not easily be able to join the team. Also, Ghana could've approached him to be part of their squad but they didnt and even if they did, he is an italian born so they would have to get him citizenship to play for Ghana. Also, im sure because his parents left him, he does not even care for ghana to represent them....if ur parents fukked u over, u wouldnt wanna play for their country either. So what gives balo the incentive to represent Ghana?? so he can remember how his natural parents didnt accept him??
he did what anyone would...pick the country that has accepted him and helped him grow. And he became this good playing in Italy, if he was raised in Ghana he wouldnt even prob be a footballer...he'd be criminal or something lol

Regardless of what he feels, his blood is from Ghanaian parents so genetically he is Ghanaian whether he loves it or hates it. See the example I gave above of a guy (with a penis obviously) being raised amongst girls.

[KeonKish]

You either consider players wearing qatari jerseys as legit or you don't. No other way around it.

Ignoring my clear definition of how the cases are different is bigotry, how is this any different from all of our ethnic players? we've had arabs, armenians etc etc

[EKBATAN]

Regardless of what he feels, his blood is from Ghanaian parents so generically he is Ghanaian whether he loves it or hates it. See the example I gave above of a guy (with a penis obviously) being raised amongst girls.

LOL so whats he supposed to do? not play for any team? not everyone born in a country is necessarily 100% from there. none of us are really 100% anything, we're all mixed somehow. If he wants to play international football and get a chance of playing in a world cup, then he can. There are so many who would love to but they cant cuz their country cant make it or whatever. How bout the black iranians we used to have in our team melli back then? are we supposed to not allow them? or how bout most black people anywhere...do they not deserve to play for like England or US? after all they're not true citizens of that country

[KC McElroy]

Ignoring my clear definition of how the cases are different is bigotry, how is this any different from all of our ethnic players? we've had arabs, armenians etc etc

And they have all had Iranian blood even if they had blood from other lineages as well. A person with an Iranian father and French mother can play for either Iran or France as he has both Iranian and French blood.

LOL so whats he supposed to do? not play for any team? not everyone born in a country is necessarily 100% from there. none of us are really 100% anything, we're all mixed somehow. If he wants to play international football and get a chance of playing in a world cup, then he can. There are so many who would love to but they cant cuz their country cant make it or whatever. How bout the black iranians we used to have in our team melli back then? are we supposed to not allow them? or how bout most black people anywhere...do they not deserve to play for like England or US? after all they're not true citizens of that country

You don't have to play for a national team. If you can't play for your actual country then you shouldn't play international soccer unless you wanna pull on a qatari jersey. While it's possible that no one has 100% blood from a nationality but you should play for whatever nation that you have received blood from via your parents.
The bolded line actually legitimizes players wearing qatari jerseys.

[KeonKish]

^ how the hell do you know that all of our ethnic players had iranian blood?

[Messy]

What if its an Arab that is %100 Arab, but his Arab lineage, generation after generation, has stayed in Ahvaz. He has no Iranian blood in him, but he was born in Iran. Would you allow him to play for Iran?

[KC McElroy]

^ how the hell do you know that all of our ethnic players had iranian blood?

If there are any who didn't/don't have Iranian blood I am not aware of them. Anyone in particular that you had in mind?

What if its an Arab that is %100 Arab, but his Arab lineage, generation after generation, has stayed in Ahvaz. He has no Iranian blood in him, but he was born in Iran. Would you allow him to play for Iran?

In your example of staying in Ahvaz, has each generation married foreigners or have they also married Iranians? If one generation has married an Iranian then all of the subsequent generations have Iranian blood (in addition to foreign blood as well). Also as a side note just the fact that someone is arab does not make the non Iranian. Being an arab is an ethnicity, being Iranian is a nationality. In your example I assumed you meant an arab from an arab country.

[Messy]

In your example of staying in Ahvaz, has each generation married foreigners or have they also married Iranians? If one generation has married an Iranian then all of the subsequent generations have Iranian blood (in addition to foreign blood as well). Also as a side note just the fact that someone is arab does not make the non Iranian. Being an arab is an ethnicity, being Iranian is a nationality. In your example I assumed you meant an arab from an arab country.

The guy is fully descended from the Arabs that invaded Iran during the Islamic conquest. He is a %100 Arab. Kinda like Ka'abi or Baadavi, but they are probably mixed with Iranian blood. This guy isn't. Even his name is Arabic.

[KC McElroy]

The guy is fully descended from the Arabs that invaded Iran during the Islamic conquest. He is a %100 Arab. Kinda like Ka'abi or Baadavi, but they are probably mixed with Iranian blood. This guy isn't. Even his name is Arabic.

You answered your own question.

[Messy]

You answered your own question.

Oh no, Ka'abi and Badaavi are probably mixed with Iranian blood, but this guy for sure is genetically Arab. DNA tests and the works were done and they came up negative for Iranian genes.