Australia is out of world cup

[Keano]

Greece will always be remembered as the Euro 2004 champions, no one will remember how good the likes of Netherlands, Spain and Portugal played at the time!

[pdot]

Here is my take from another thread.



What do you mean? Up until 2-1 Australia held more than 50% possession. If the other team doesn't have the ball they cannot score. If we play the park the bus method, then it wont be Obi Mikel but the likes of Messi who you need to stop. That's a lot harder. When Australia started to defend and foul (kind of what TM did particularly Teymourian and his fouls) that gave chances to Holland, who of course took advantage and won the game.
At some point we will need to win games to stay in this WC, that's a given.

My point is that we must play counterattacking like we have done so for the last 6 matches. We need to hope our defence holds. If we go out there to attack vigorously we will get destroyed. The reason for that is simple. Argentina is stronger at every position on the field. We need to beat them by drawing them out and counter attacking them.

Similar to what Greece has been doing for years now.

[O-ZoNe]

My point is that we must play counterattacking like we have done so for the last 6 matches. We need to hope our defence holds. If we go out there to attack vigorously we will get destroyed. The reason for that is simple. Argentina is stronger at every position on the field. We need to beat them by drawing them out and counter attacking them.

Similar to what Greece has been doing for years now.

Well Greece are all but done. We need a balance. It can't just be park the bus like our last game. Counterattacking style play usually means holding 40-49% of the ball possession. I think Nigeria game had positives. Let's build on it.

[pdot]

Australia is the first Asian team to be out World Cup.

Actually the commentator just said. If Spain wins the game against Chile, Australia still has a chance.

[littlepersia17]

Australia is out of world cup

Australia created chances surprisingly easily but you need quality players to finish a team off.

Look, Australia played attacking football because quite frankly their defence isn't so strong to be able to sit back. If they did have a good defence, they certainly wouldn't be as attacking, but since they're hopeless at the back, they just go for it in attack which usually leaves them exposed at the back.

Believe it or not, Iran's attack isn't as good as some you guys think. Our strengths overwhelmingly lie in defence.

So you got to play to your strengths.

Maybe if we played attacking football against Nigeria, we might of still not scored a goal because of the quality of our attackers to be able to finish chances.

We can't play something were not good at.

Regardless of the quality of the opponent, let's compare Iran and Australia's matched thus far.

Australia after two matches of only attack and not much defence come out with 0 points , 3 goals scored, 6 goals conceded; goal difference of -3. Since every other team has + goal differences, Australia is all but out even if they win against Spain.

Iran on the other hand played ultra defensive in their first match. They got a point out of it. A zero goal difference and most importantly a realistic chance of getting through. It's pretty straight forward for them aswell.

I never heard people talking How good North Korea's attack was in the 1966 World Cup because even if they scored the first 3 goals, they lost 4-3 to eusabio's Portugal. They didn't get through, they become easily forgotten.

But when Greece won the 2004 euros with ultra defensive everyone remembers, or when South Korea made the semis of the 2002 World Cup, everyone remembers.

IMHO football is a results based sport, pretty football is risky if your players don't know how to do it. It's safer doing something we know best. DEFEND!

[pdot]

Well Greece are all but done. We need a balance. It can't just be park the bus like our last game. Counterattacking style play usually means holding 40-49% of the ball possession. I think Nigeria game had positives. Let's build on it.

Actually you don't need to hold possession in counter attacking. Go look at Euro Cup stats of Greece in Euro 2004.

[saadat_abad]

At least they wen't out with dignity, and didn't played the most boring match in this world cup. Going out with 1 or 0 points, what difference does it make?

the difference is 1 point is better than 0? one points helps you get out of the group when 0 doesnt? 1 point means you have tied and 0 means you have lost?
abtin joon by ur recent posts i think ur emotion is getting the best of you which is okay but know that tm is going in to this tourney with a plan! they arent going to play the most beautiful game but they are going for results. i rather we play like shit and make it out of the group then play beautiful football.

[irani8perspolis]

first is head-to-head, then its goal difference.

no its goal difference then most goals scored then head to head

[Behzad12]

the difference is 1 point is better than 0? one points helps you get out of the group when 0 doesnt? 1 point means you have tied and 0 means you have lost?
abtin joon by ur recent posts i think ur emotion is getting the best of you which is okay but know that tm is going in to this tourney with a plan! they arent going to play the most beautiful game but they are going for results. i rather we play like shit and make it out of the group then play beautiful football.

SA, I agree with Abtin on this one. He's not letting his emotions get the best of him, he's just being realistic. I think the rest of the fans on the board are being optimistic, which is fine. But Abtin and I are trying to say is this "plan" won't get us to the next round. Yes at this moment 1 is better than 0, but this tactic that we played vs. Nigeria isn't going to get us to the next round. Just being realistic here, I hope I'm wrong.

[saadat_abad]

SA, I agree with Abtin on this one. He's not letting his emotions get the best of him, he's just being realistic. I think the rest of the fans on the board are being optimistic, which is fine. But Abtin and I are trying to say is this "plan" won't get us to the next round. Yes at this moment 1 is better than 0, but this tactic that we played vs. Nigeria isn't going to get us to the next round. Just being realistic here, I hope I'm wrong.

i know what you guys mean man! its just what im trying to say is, if we played open you guys can bet ur ass we would of lost that game. so isnt a tie better? playing a open game would not get us out of the group either but playing defensive has more of a chance imo

[rezabmehr]

Praise the Aussie's all you want and my hats off to them as well. But do you know how many big friendly games Aussies have played leading up to the world cup? They have played Brazil, France, Ecuador, Costa Rica and Croatia just to name a few. Their federation will provide them with anything they need. Of course they will play offensive. CQ is doing the best he can with what he has and it is very smart to close you defense and try to get to the next round. It is good for TM,the fans, Iran, our players and for CQ's resume. In the WC only results matter and I am glad we got a scrappy point and we still have a shot.

[ARYA :)]

agreed, but if you don't step forward, you're always in the same place. If you don't go for goals, you aren't going anywhere.

I'm not disagreeing with CQ's tactic in certain games, but if we are THAT worried about making it to the next round that we have to play ultra-conservative, do we really deserve to move on? Just saying....

[Abtin]

the difference is 1 point is better than 0? one points helps you get out of the group when 0 doesnt? 1 point means you have tied and 0 means you have lost?
abtin joon by ur recent posts i think ur emotion is getting the best of you which is okay but know that tm is going in to this tourney with a plan! they arent going to play the most beautiful game but they are going for results. i rather we play like shit and make it out of the group then play beautiful football.

My point wasnt 1 point from this game, it was 1 point from all games, playing defensive like that. how will you advance with that 1 point?

[Dejagah#21]

if spain beat chile, and in the last game, australia beat spain and holland beat chile, then holland will be 9 points and spain, australia and chile all with 3 points and it will come down to goal difference if im not mistaken?? so i dont think they are 100% out yet..

I guess this scenario is pretty much non existing now.. both Australia and Spain are with 99% certainty out of the world cup

[footballeirani]

The issue here is we played a pretty bad Nigerian team so people are excited about getting a point from the opening match. However with that performance we wont be getting points from Argentina or Bosnia. In 2006 we also got a point from Angola. Imagine if we had played Angola first. lol

Hats off to Australia for playing football and trying at least.