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    #16
    Originally posted by alaph View Post
    Get out of here guy! I rather play a boring game and get ouf of the group than entertain everyone buy getting our asses kicked 4-1.
    You wanna be a whipping boy of the western teams, go right ahead. I want to WIN points and get out of our group. I agree with Carlos 100%
    Well said. Why on earth should we entertain the world? Are we a clown team or are we there to take some points/results!!!!!

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      #17
      Originally posted by alaph View Post
      Get out of here guy! I rather play a boring game and get ouf of the group than entertain everyone buy getting our asses kicked 4-1.
      You wanna be a whipping boy of the western teams, go right ahead. I want to WIN points and get out of our group. I agree with Carlos 100%
      Not sure if 2 0-0 draws are going to get you out of the group....

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        #18
        I would rather have a do or die game against bosnia than against defending champs spain.

        Ugly football or not, we're here to get to the next round. We are in much better position than the aussies and I am sure they would rather be in TM's position than their current one.

        Australia played great though, kudos to them.

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          #19
          Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View Post
          if spain beat chile, and in the last game, australia beat spain and holland beat chile, then holland will be 9 points and spain, australia and chile all with 3 points and it will come down to goal difference if im not mistaken?? so i dont think they are 100% out yet..
          first is head-to-head, then its goal difference.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUKabP3zTI

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            #20
            Originally posted by Behzad12 View Post
            Not sure if 2 0-0 draws are going to get you out of the group....
            Neither will 2 defeats

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              #21
              Originally posted by Behzad12 View Post
              I honestly don't see any positives in parking a bus in front of our goal for 3 games, getting 1-2 points out of it and calling the campaign a "success". Not only does it limit our player's abilities to showcase their skills but also as a fan, it doesn't bring any sort of entertainment. When you have players like Dejagah who need space and an open style of football to produce, the system hinders his skills. CQ tactic would be fine with Argentina, but not sure about playing like that vs. Nigeria/Bosnia.

              Aussie's played superb today. If I were an Australian I'd be damn proud of their team, regardless of the result today.
              you can do that and play 3 games, but iran can go next round and be noticed, every team play to their strength, iran strength is defines why is it so hard for people to get that

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                #22
                Originally posted by Behzad12 View Post
                I honestly don't see any positives in parking a bus in front of our goal for 3 games, getting 1-2 points out of it and calling the campaign a "success". Not only does it limit our player's abilities to showcase their skills but also as a fan, it doesn't bring any sort of entertainment. When you have players like Dejagah who need space and an open style of football to produce, the system hinders his skills. CQ tactic would be fine with Argentina, but not sure about playing like that vs. Nigeria/Bosnia.

                Aussie's played superb today. If I were an Australian I'd be damn proud of their team, regardless of the result today.
                Reminds me of NZ 4 years ago.

                Went out with 3 draws.....and were the moral winners of "ONLY WC TEAM NOT TO LOSE".

                They got ZERO transfers to good European clubs after that showing...and their football never kicked on. They in fact went backwards. Everyone was so chuffed they didn't make it this year losing to Mexico.

                If we are to follow New Zealand 2010's blue-print, I hope we have a better post-WC plan than them.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Darloc View Post
                  Neither will 2 defeats
                  agreed, but if you don't step forward, you're always in the same place. If you don't go for goals, you aren't going anywhere.

                  I'm not disagreeing with CQ's tactic in certain games, but if we are THAT worried about making it to the next round that we have to play ultra-conservative, do we really deserve to move on? Just saying....

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by elnino99 View Post
                    Reminds me of NZ 4 years ago.

                    Went out with 3 draws.....and were the moral winners of "ONLY WC TEAM NOT TO LOSE".

                    They got ZERO transfers to good European clubs after that showing...and their football never kicked on. They in fact went backwards. Everyone was so chuffed they didn't make it this year losing to Mexico.

                    If we are to follow New Zealand 2010's blue-print, I hope we have a better post-WC plan than them.
                    True, but that's the curse of playing in the OFC. I think they would have a chance to qualify if they came into the AFC.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by alaph View Post
                      Get out of here guy! I rather play a boring game and get ouf of the group than entertain everyone buy getting our asses kicked 4-1.
                      You wanna be a whipping boy of the western teams, go right ahead. I want to WIN points and get out of our group. I agree with Carlos 100%
                      Do you think you win points by playing like Iran did? You win points enough to advance by putting together an attack which can actually create goals, not shooting the ball in the air till 90 minutes are gone. Have you seen the possession from the Nigeria game? 36%. tell me how thats going to bring us 3 points..

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Behzad12 View Post
                        agreed, but if you don't step forward, you're always in the same place. If you don't go for goals, you aren't going anywhere.

                        I'm not disagreeing with CQ's tactic in certain games, but if we are THAT worried about making it to the next round that we have to play ultra-conservative, do we really deserve to move on? Just saying....
                        Here is my take from another thread.

                        Originally posted by pdot View Post
                        This is exactly what TM should not do. We cannot compete in a offensive games with the likes of Messi, Higuain, Di Maria. This game is a clear demonstration of how quickly and easily top european talent can score on asian talent.
                        What do you mean? Up until 2-1 Australia held more than 50% possession. If the other team doesn't have the ball they cannot score. If we play the park the bus method, then it wont be Obi Mikel but the likes of Messi who you need to stop. That's a lot harder. When Australia started to defend and foul (kind of what TM did particularly Teymourian and his fouls) that gave chances to Holland, who of course took advantage and won the game.
                        At some point we will need to win games to stay in this WC, that's a given.
                        Remember RESPECT BEGETS RESPECT & Zob Ahan

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                          #27
                          IT WAS WRITTEN..!!

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                            #28
                            ESPN analyzers both said the penalty kick awarded to Australia should not have been given, because the Dutch defender's hand was in a natural position. Great volley goal by Tim Cahill though. Australia put up a real good fight against the mighty Netherlands.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Abtin View Post
                              Do you think you win points by playing like Iran did? You win points enough to advance by putting together an attack which can actually create goals, not shooting the ball in the air till 90 minutes are gone. Have you seen the possession from the Nigeria game? 36%. tell me how thats going to bring us 3 points..
                              When did we shoot the ball in the air for 90 minutes?!? We played defensive footall for 90 minutes, but never just kicked it to no man's land. Unfortunately our midfield could not miantain the possession to have effective counter attacks. But still we have the best chance of the game. And notice that this was the first World cup for all the players except Nekou and Ando, so they were lots of nerves going on. We will play much better as the games go on.

                              And by the way Australia was lucky today that it was not like 6-0. They were just damn lucky all the way. That is not how you play against the Netherlands. Their first goal was one that happens once every 20-30 attempts, and the second goal was not a penalty, the hand foul was a retarded decision.

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                                #30
                                they played well and now its time to go home!

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