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    #16
    Originally posted by pres80 View Post
    Come on guys, he is pretty old now. And many many americans go to the chinese league. There is even a player who was set to be a top draft prospect who went to a chinese team straight from highschool.
    This is different to football. You can't be mad at him for going to China, european basketball is very good but its not like European football for us to be upset that HH didn't go there. China isn't like Qatar of football.
    he's not that old man, hes like 27/28
    many americans go there later in their career or the ones that didnt really have a good shot at nba and go there for the money.

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      #17
      Originally posted by EKBATAN View Post
      he's not that old man, hes like 27/28
      many americans go there later in their career or the ones that didnt really have a good shot at nba and go there for the money.
      Hes 29 actually and unless you are very good in the NBA, that age is high.

      Only players who were decent to excellent in their young days stick around at around 30 and beyond.

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        #18
        Originally posted by pres80 View Post
        Hes 29 actually and unless you are very good in the NBA, that age is high.

        Only players who were decent to excellent in their young days stick around at around 30 and beyond.
        well whatever he had plenty of chances to improve. although he got hated on by his coach, he simply didnt show enough of a fighter mentality to prove his coaches wrong and was left out.

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          #19
          Originally posted by EKBATAN View Post
          well whatever he had plenty of chances to improve. although he got hated on by his coach, he simply didnt show enough of a fighter mentality to prove his coaches wrong and was left out.
          I think we are being hypercritical of him.

          The NBA was just simply too far above his level. He definitely had some good patches but ultimately the level of play was too far above him.

          I do agree thought that he didn't even show the slightest bit of improvement which he could have, and he definitely got hated on by hollins.

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            #20
            Originally posted by pres80 View Post
            Hes 29 actually and unless you are very good in the NBA, that age is high.

            Only players who were decent to excellent in their young days stick around at around 30 and beyond.
            Not for a center.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Adesor Vafaseya View Post
              good for him, he has to think about his family and future, gotta earn the big cash now
              let me do the math for you, an average american earns lets just say $60,000 year,

              an average american let say lives to the age of 75

              let say from the age of 25 to age of 75 years he earns a constant $60,000

              so he will make $3,000,0000 in his life time!!!
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              HH played in nba for 4 years he earned close to $5 million!! not considering the years in played in iran before coming to US and the few years he has played in iran and now China.

              so lets assume he make a $1 million, so he has made $6 million and he is barely 30 years old!!!

              how much more money does he need to make to provide for himself and his family?!?!??!
              IRI = FAILED

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                #22
                Originally posted by persian-eagle-13 View Post
                let me do the math for you, an average american earns lets just say $60,000 year,

                an average american let say lives to the age of 75

                let say from the age of 25 to age of 75 years he earns a constant $60,000

                so he will make $3,000,0000 in his life time!!!
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                HH played in nba for 4 years he earned close to $5 million!! not considering the years in played in iran before coming to US and the few years he has played in iran and now China.

                so lets assume he make a $1 million, so he has made $6 million and he is barely 30 years old!!!

                how much more money does he need to make to provide for himself and his family?!?!??!
                let me give you an example from a self-employed perspective point of view.
                Earning money is soo bloody difficult in life. There is no security in life when it comes to money.
                When you get older in your career, you start to think about secuirty first, more than anything-else in life.
                HH is thinking ahead and I dont blame him.

                O fcourse we as fans would like to see our players, playing in top leagues in the world, we want to see them running fighting, getting injured and recovering fast, and always play for TM etc etc.... but we forget in the end of the day, they are humans like you and me and have their own life.
                They are not properties of fans...
                Simply put: If I was offered to earn USD 1 Mill but have to give up NBA, I would run packing my luggage.
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Adesor Vafaseya View Post
                  let me give you an example from a self-employed perspective point of view.
                  Earning money is soo bloody difficult in life. There is no security in life when it comes to money.
                  When you get older in your career, you start to think about secuirty first, more than anything-else in life.
                  HH is thinking ahead and I dont blame him.

                  O fcourse we as fans would like to see our players, playing in top leagues in the world, we want to see them running fighting, getting injured and recovering fast, and always play for TM etc etc.... but we forget in the end of the day, they are humans like you and me and have their own life.
                  They are not properties of fans...
                  Simply put: If I was offered to earn USD 1 Mill but have to give up NBA, I would run packing my luggage.
                  no i agree with you, here is another example, an iran super league team offers you $1 milyard toman for 1 season and a Real Madrid offers you $ 60K for one season!! which offer would you take?!?

                  playing basketball for in a good league like spain and in a well established club like Real Madrid is Priceless!! just having that on your resume helps you become somebody in future after you retire from basketball!!

                  having a Chines team on your CV is not that impressive!! i just think our players are too much money driven and too little motivation for bigger and better things in life.their small "world" revolves around money, you make money today, you loose it tomorrow, what is left is the memories and the experience you have made throughout life
                  IRI = FAILED

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by persian-eagle-13 View Post
                    no i agree with you, here is another example, an iran super league team offers you $1 milyard toman for 1 season and a Real Madrid offers you $ 60K for one season!! which offer would you take?!?

                    playing basketball for in a good league like spain and in a well established club like Real Madrid is Priceless!! just having that on your resume helps you become somebody in future after you retire from basketball!!

                    having a Chines team on your CV is not that impressive!! i just think our players are too much money driven and too little motivation for bigger and better things in life.their small "world" revolves around money, you make money today, you loose it tomorrow, what is left is the memories and the experience you have made throughout life
                    This is very culture driven. The Iranian culture in general revolves solely around money and nothing else. Not only basketball player, but football players I am sure by now everyone noticed, not only sportsmen but any average Iranian person. Their goal is how to become an engineer or a doctor to be able to gain the maximum of money, who cares if it's not our passion or we hate it. This is why you will see a South American or European player with the same age and skill as HH, will be in a Euroleague team or an NBA team, while HH is roaming around Iran and China. Same thing with football, someone as good and as old as Dejagah, will play in any of the best leagues in the world, or somewhere like Olympiakos, while himself chose Qatar.

                    Mr. Adesor Vafesaya's point for me is not completely true and it's more of an Iranian mentality than anything else. I mainly blame this on IR, which completely destroyed our mentality, as we became over-paranoid over our security, putting money in front of our health, passions and life. Then again I don't know how people were before IR as I am way younger than in harfa

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by EKBATAN View Post
                      well whatever he had plenty of chances to improve. although he got hated on by his coach, he simply didnt show enough of a fighter mentality to prove his coaches wrong and was left out.
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by persian-eagle-13 View Post
                        no i agree with you, here is another example, an iran super league team offers you $1 milyard toman for 1 season and a Real Madrid offers you $ 60K for one season!! which offer would you take?!?
                        you want my answer:
                        I take the 1 Million and try to negotiate it up to 1,3 Mill or even higher.

                        thats me... its my right!
                        same as HH, its his right what to do.
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                          #27
                          He is already set for life with over 6 million in the bank, atleast! Why not make your fans and people happy, and represent Iran by joining a shitty team but get playing time in the NBA? The representation of an Iranian playing in America and being moderately successful is so joyful to see, and will open to other races to see Iranians doing well despite the horrid nature of our government.

                          It would be such a joy to see. Kheili hayfe.. especially since he can still play decent minutes in the NBA.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Adesor Vafaseya View Post
                            you want my answer:
                            I take the 1 Million and try to negotiate it up to 1,3 Mill or even higher.
                            thats me... its my right!
                            same as HH, its his right what to do.
                            i guess everyone is different, everyone has different priorities.
                            i have done most of my education at a state university, had a great opportunity to earn good money but i gave that up when i had the opportunity to go to top ivy league school for my masters!!
                            in a sense I give up short term satisfaction, for a longer term success!! So in my case I would have taken the Real Madrid offer just for the experience and prestige, knowing i have $5-6 million already by age 30, i would want to have a different experience and have a better CV!
                            if you look at the top people in their respective sport, they have some impressive resume, former teams they have played for, former teams they have coached etc......


                            just look at HH resume, HH's NBA career was over 2-3 years ago, yet because of his short stay in nba, teams take him more serious, IF he had not gone to nba he would have been another dime in a dozen center in the world!! but just having a nba on his resume he can negotiate more money, get better contracts and people take him serious etc.....
                            IRI = FAILED

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by persianbruin View Post
                              Rasti fahmidi mayar 1 million dollaresho bala keshid!!
                              he was one of the big reasons for his failure in NBA. wrong person and advisor and i feel like he missed out on a lot by having this guy as his agent. biggest mistake of haddadi's life.

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                                #30
                                i agree with persian eagle..... if its all about money then we can all become crooked dallaals, porn star, escorts, etc....we can all sell out and cash in for good money but there are things that hold us back. sometimes u give up big money now to build a career to make money for a long time. big money is tempting but you have to look at how long that'll last. example of gucci and dejagah, in a few years they will be no bodys and they wont get paid...where as they could've put up with lower pay in top euro leagues, had a longer career and then cashed out around 32/33 in al-sooraakh leagues or IPL.

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