Iranian Wrestling

[PEJ]

Maybe don’t crown yourself as a king before you win gold ?


in separate note, do we just have bad analyst for wrestling? Forum members know that Geno was a dirty fighter but Zare seemed unprepared for it? Japanese team probably spent all night analyzing amouzad and had a strategy. 10-3 is an unbelievable choke job after dominating the field. We gave away 2-3 free gold this Olympics

That’s really not fair regarding the analysis. The 10 points really came out of one sequence. The Japanese wrestler shot for a low single. He was so quick that it was going to be hard to stop that shot. Then Rahman got stuck in the leg tie. It wasn’t like the Japanese’s wrestler scored from a standing position over and over again.

[PEJ]

Why has Japan all of a sudden become so good at wrestling? What are they doing?

At the smaller weight they are just so quick. They do a a great job of disengaging and shooting. They have also adopted the American style of pace and movement. If Amouzad didn’t get caught in the leg wrench, he would have won. He did a really good job of negating him with the underhook. But it’s all predicated on closing that distance.

I have stated this before, our game is actually designed for the higher weight classes. Our wrestling style is predicated on heavy hands, moving forward and closing distance into the underhook. That game is a lot harder in the lower weight divisions.

[Ostad_Goosfand]

Seems like we did really well vs USA in wrestling when matched up with them

i hope IOC does something about this country hopping nonsense.

[AGC]

We have structural issues combined with bad luck and choking. If anyone even care anymore I can explain. Im not even mad at Amouzad. Im pissed at Dabir

[AGC]

Heres my take on our over all performance. Iranian media will come with bull shit conversations regarding our wrestling or just put the lid on. Here comes some pointers about things that needs to be talked about and adressed:

- We were unlucky with Yazdani injury, Zare kamelan rid and needs to talk to a psychologist, amouzad had bad matchup. Azarpira was unlucky with the draw and unlucky that he is at the beginning of an olympic cycle. Azarpira is like the kid in school that goes with older kids because he is good at school. His real olympic cycle starts next year and he is already predicated on dominating LHW. He will beat tazhudinov next time and the fake Bahrainis body is already detoriating. Elbow injury because of all body lock counters.

- Dabirs is the biggest culprit in this failure. He wants to broaden the base of wrestlers and work from the ground up. Increasing amount of active wrestlers in all age categories. Whilst this is good we have other structural problems he has not adressed. Here comes the biggest flaws in our game.

* We are extremely technical. But this is the case in our OWN style. Dabir has made the problems worse by not organizational implementation of broadening the technical base and skills at all levels. He let the mazandarani pahlevoons do what ever the fuck they want and you get the result: Mazandarani wrestling. Whilst underhooks and scoring takedowns from underhooks should in no way be compromised they limit our wrestlers at this point. In this thread ive already pointed out where we lack in technical skills and how this causes match up problems for us and costs us championships. Let us take Amouzad for example.

- He doesnt know how to shot. He just do pitche kamar and bully his opponent. Opponents are not stupid and take out distance and go for the shots. Americans and japanese are damn good at this. The argument that he has to close the distance is easier said than done and either is used as an excuse or out of lack of wrestling experience. Execution problems aside, the opponents are high level. Some of them are trained in taking out distance. What a GOOD WRESTLER and technical skilled wrestler does is making a person wrestling from a distance feel uncomfortable. IF Amouzad knew how to shoot like americans and japanese. He would have harrased japanese wrestler with leg shots. Then closing the distance strategy would not work, he would automatically close the distance to avoid being shot at. When you face a piece of shit asshole that is stalling for 3 minutes this is what you do. Amouzad gave up because he knows he cant do leg shots. This is completely on Dabir. They see immense success of Mazandarani style and the just stop caring. AKHE DABIRE BACHE AKHOOND DOA KOMAK NIST.

Leg shooting cost him the gold. He tried badalkari with Sar o Tah yeki at one moment but that is based on closing distances. So it is precisely leg shooting that cost us this gold

- Iranians need to learn other techniques. Fucking americans are not so egocentric to not drill underhooks in their wrestlers DNA. Why are we so stubborn learning from them? We are lousy at controlling elbows. We are lousy at scrambles. With the technical limitations of our style. Tournaments become like a lottery.

- We are completely unable to produce wrestlers at lower weight classes. This has many reasons. One is that we dont favour the technical skills of lower weight classes. Its also due to us being big guys as a people. But the technical skillsets we can manage. It feels like we just have given up.

* Luck was not on our side and everyone knows why

- We are a mentally weak nation. We all are mental because of mental health taboo in Iran and the pressure of winning olympics everyone is putting on these kids. Like fuck it. Just go and have fun as Amouzad had. He met a worthy opponent and lost. We had no business losing to Genoye Koskesh. Doa kardan, ya ali goftan and fatemeh zahra wont help us. Dabir needs to get his shit together or else they should sack that khayemal POS.

With all this being said. This is completely in our hands. Luck wasnt with us. But its not like other nations are performing. USA kamelan ridan. Japan were performing to standards and was lucky Americans shat on themselves. The Japanese won it all in two of the weights theyre good at which doesnt happen often. We are having a slump.

[AGC]

With this being said and us probably winning the unofficial team title by last minute repechage riding and without champions. Lets look at the future and how bright and open it is or can be:

57 KG Doomed

60 Doomed In these lower weights: Top 3 if we manage to broaden technical base. Takes 5-10 years

65 Great, Top 3
Technical broadening needed to a certain extent
70 Great Top 3

74 Okay, potential top 3 Technical broadening needed.

86 Gold favs

92kg Gold favs at worst top 3 Sanging vazneha no acute need of technical broadening. Mental issues

97 Top 3, potential gold favs

125 Gold favs.

[diz]

My final take on this last day of Olympics:

Rahman met his match….but only in speed. The japanese kid is good but he was slightly faster that rahman. He ONLY scored off the death roll that he was able to get from his speed. Rahman scored 3 on him otherwise. If rahman had neutralized his speed, he would have won. Rahman got to the final in the most stacked weight class. His future is bright.

Azarpira showed us what overall prep should look like. He came in with a fighting attitude (despite a reported torn ACL???), he was conditioned like hell, he managed the clock and his gas tank beautifully. Snyder had one of his toughest matches in his career. He was left with two open wounds and could barely breath at the final whistle.

ps the 97kg FS gold medal match was the most boring final I had ever seen 😆

[TM4LIFE]

My final take on this last day of Olympics:

Rahman met his match….but only in speed. The japanese kid is good but he was slightly faster that rahman. He ONLY scored off the death roll that he was able to get from his speed. Rahman scored 3 on him otherwise. If rahman had neutralized his speed, he would have won. Rahman got to the final in the most stacked weight class. His future is bright.

Azarpira showed us what overall prep should look like. He came in with a fighting attitude (despite a reported torn ACL???), he was conditioned like hell, he managed the clock and his gas tank beautifully. Snyder had one of his toughest matches in his career. He was left with two open wounds and could barely breath at the final whistle.

ps the 97kg FS match was the most boring final I had ever seen 😆

I disagree on Azarpira. I think his gas tank cost him against Taz and he was lucky to have so many stoppages against Snyder to catch his breath, otherwise I sensed another late comeback.

[diz]

I disagree on Azarpira. I think his gas tank cost him against Taz and he was lucky to have so many stoppages against Snyder to catch his breath, otherwise I sensed another late comeback.

I was only referring to the bronze match; watch the end of the match again, right after the final whistle. Snyder was heavily breathing while Azarpira seemed like he could keep going. The stoppages helped Snyder more than azarpira, IMO.

[shahin2000]

I could be wrong but it seemed that Rahman’s stamina was considerably lower than his past performance.

[diz]

I could be wrong but it seemed that Rahman’s stamina was considerably lower than his past performance.

They seemed pretty well matched to me. At times, it was like they were mirror images. I didn't think stamina was the issue, just a slight difference in speed.

Rahman also got saved by the bell. The japanese dude was about to roll him one more time before the halftime bell rang.

[diz]

Here's Azarpira's Bronze medal match

[Nokhodi]

Heres my take on our over all performance. Iranian media will come with bull shit conversations regarding our wrestling or just put the lid on. Here comes some pointers about things that needs to be talked about and adressed:

- We were unlucky with Yazdani injury, Zare kamelan rid and needs to talk to a psychologist, amouzad had bad matchup. Azarpira was unlucky with the draw and unlucky that he is at the beginning of an olympic cycle. Azarpira is like the kid in school that goes with older kids because he is good at school. His real olympic cycle starts next year and he is already predicated on dominating LHW. He will beat tazhudinov next time and the fake Bahrainis body is already detoriating. Elbow injury because of all body lock counters.

- Dabirs is the biggest culprit in this failure. He wants to broaden the base of wrestlers and work from the ground up. Increasing amount of active wrestlers in all age categories. Whilst this is good we have other structural problems he has not adressed. Here comes the biggest flaws in our game.

* We are extremely technical. But this is the case in our OWN style. Dabir has made the problems worse by not organizational implementation of broadening the technical base and skills at all levels. He let the mazandarani pahlevoons do what ever the fuck they want and you get the result: Mazandarani wrestling. Whilst underhooks and scoring takedowns from underhooks should in no way be compromised they limit our wrestlers at this point. In this thread ive already pointed out where we lack in technical skills and how this causes match up problems for us and costs us championships. Let us take Amouzad for example.

- He doesnt know how to shot. He just do pitche kamar and bully his opponent. Opponents are not stupid and take out distance and go for the shots. Americans and japanese are damn good at this. The argument that he has to close the distance is easier said than done and either is used as an excuse or out of lack of wrestling experience. Execution problems aside, the opponents are high level. Some of them are trained in taking out distance. What a GOOD WRESTLER and technical skilled wrestler does is making a person wrestling from a distance feel uncomfortable. IF Amouzad knew how to shoot like americans and japanese. He would have harrased japanese wrestler with leg shots. Then closing the distance strategy would not work, he would automatically close the distance to avoid being shot at. When you face a piece of shit asshole that is stalling for 3 minutes this is what you do. Amouzad gave up because he knows he cant do leg shots. This is completely on Dabir. They see immense success of Mazandarani style and the just stop caring. AKHE DABIRE BACHE AKHOOND DOA KOMAK NIST.

Leg shooting cost him the gold. He tried badalkari with Sar o Tah yeki at one moment but that is based on closing distances. So it is precisely leg shooting that cost us this gold

- Iranians need to learn other techniques. Fucking americans are not so egocentric to not drill underhooks in their wrestlers DNA. Why are we so stubborn learning from them? We are lousy at controlling elbows. We are lousy at scrambles. With the technical limitations of our style. Tournaments become like a lottery.

- We are completely unable to produce wrestlers at lower weight classes. This has many reasons. One is that we dont favour the technical skills of lower weight classes. Its also due to us being big guys as a people. But the technical skillsets we can manage. It feels like we just have given up.

* Luck was not on our side and everyone knows why

- We are a mentally weak nation. We all are mental because of mental health taboo in Iran and the pressure of winning olympics everyone is putting on these kids. Like fuck it. Just go and have fun as Amouzad had. He met a worthy opponent and lost. We had no business losing to Genoye Koskesh. Doa kardan, ya ali goftan and fatemeh zahra wont help us. Dabir needs to get his shit together or else they should sack that khayemal POS.

With all this being said. This is completely in our hands. Luck wasnt with us. But its not like other nations are performing. USA kamelan ridan. Japan were performing to standards and was lucky Americans shat on themselves. The Japanese won it all in two of the weights theyre good at which doesnt happen often. We are having a slump.

I can’t comment on any of the technical issues as I know next to nothing about it, but isn’t Dabir the guy who has bought money into wrestling and also expanded our infrastructure significantly? He’s definitely a khayemal, but he seems to be pretty competent.

[PEJ]

The Iranian game has changed over the years. We used to be very famous for the undertook and the single leg. In America they call that single leg the Iranian. We have been utilizing that less and less over the years.

Also what many don’t realize is that we don’t really have a national system till theses kids are proven to be good enough to come to National competition. Majority of our wrestlers are learning wrestling in Mazandaran under old school coaches who have no influence within the national structure. These kids learn our style of wrestling for years and are very good at it.

Additionally, Yazdani’s dad in in interview criticized the federation for trying to change Hassan’s style and have him wrestle a style he is not comfortable with. He to letting the Mazandarni’s wrestle their own style.

[AGC]

I can’t comment on any of the technical issues as I know next to nothing about it, but isn’t Dabir the guy who has bought money into wrestling and also expanded our infrastructure significantly? He’s definitely a khayemal, but he seems to be pretty competent.

Yes yes yes he has done many good things. But technical improvements is not one of them. He has specialized us in mazandarani style to the hilt. Im not saying it has not paid divdends. We are way better than before.

But if we want to dominate rusky style then he needs to adress technical issues. Im not sayin iranians arena technical, they are but they need to broaden repertoire.

Thing is I dont know what the federation is actually doing. We are seeing guys like azarpira and especially ghassempour that can actually take a shot. But since rahimi none can shoot for legs at 57kg