Beneil Dariush about his upcoming fight and being an Assyrian born in Iran

[Philosophy_King]

Just saw this video with Beneil Dariush. He seems to be a very polite guy, was a littlebit strange that he emphasized that he is Assyrian that was "only" born in Iran (starting from minute 8th), still a nice guy:

[Karimi 8]

Just saw this video with Beneil Dariush. He seems to be a very polite guy, was a littlebit strange that he emphasized that he is Assyrian that was "only" born in Iran (starting from minute 8th), still a nice guy:

It isn't strange, as he clearly doesn't really consider himself Iranian. According to Beneil he is Assyrian first (you can see with how he often responds to this question) and American.

Other Iranian born fighters like Makwan Amirkhani or Gegard Mousasi are the same. Amirkhani says he is from "Kurdistan" and Mousasi fights under the Armenian and Dutch flags. What is strange that Iranian fans keep blindly supporting these fighters, when the fighters don't care about Iran at all. It is almost like they have to be forced to say they are from Iran, and we don't need their fake support.

[The Farbod]

It isn't strange, as he clearly doesn't really consider himself Iranian. According to Beneil he is Assyrian first (you can see with how he often responds to this question) and American.

Other Iranian born fighters like Makwan Amirkhani or Gegard Mousasi are the same. Amirkhani says he is from "Kurdistan" and Mousasi fights under the Armenian and Dutch flags. What is strange that Iranian fans keep blindly supporting these fighters, when the fighters don't care about Iran at all. It is almost like they have to be forced to say they are from Iran, and we don't need their fake support.

I would not put Gegard Mousasi in the same group. He is proud of being born in Iran and has done many interviews in Farsi. He's a good guy.

[Philosophy_King]

The Kurdistan thing (Amirkhani) is really annoying, don't know why some Kurds just don't want to accept that they are Iranics.

There is the brilliant Fields Medalist Caucher Birkar (Nobel-Prize for mathematics) who insist not to be "Iranian" but a Kurd. He would speak to Kurdish TV but not ones to Persian-speaking Channels, he can't (or don't want) to speak Persian. Just shows you how many things need to be fixed in Iran...

[Nokhodi]

The Kurdistan thing (Amirkhani) is really annoying, don't know why some Kurds just don't want to accept that they are Iranics.

There is the brilliant Fields Medalist Caucher Birkar (Nobel-Prize for mathematics) who insist not to be "Iranian" but a Kurd. He would speak to Kurdish TV but not ones to Persian-speaking Channels, he can't (or don't want) to speak Persian. Just shows you how many things need to be fixed in Iran...

And even worse these types of people developed their talents and were given opportunities by many different ethnicities in Iran, yet they're very ungrateful. Just garbage.

[diz]

I knew an Assyrian family who denied being Iranian. The parents were born in Iran, and the kids were born in the US. Time and time again, they would insist on being referred to as Assyrian, when asked about their ethnicity or background. They preferred to be "state-less" than to be associated with Iran.

[inarsenewetrust]

The Kurdistan thing (Amirkhani) is really annoying, don't know why some Kurds just don't want to accept that they are Iranics.
There is the brilliant Fields Medalist Caucher Birkar (Nobel-Prize for mathematics) who insist not to be "Iranian" but a Kurd. He would speak to Kurdish TV but not ones to Persian-speaking Channels, he can't (or don't want) to speak Persian. Just shows you how many things need to be fixed in Iran...

thnx for info on this. He recieved his bachelors at University of Tehran and lived in iran his whole life until then. Like many iranians he left the country to pursue his studies and further opportunities. Credit to him because from mathematical perspective as you say he is brilliant.

But the video I posted did make me sad. A man of his brainpower surrounded by congratulatory iranians, including an older Professor who remembers him from when he was just a student, and suddenly Birkar (derakhshani) develops memory loss and cannot remember two words of persian? Answers in some broken english to poor guys question that he had seriously thought about and was trying to get some technical insight from him regarding his decision making for his lecture...

At some stage this crosses line of personal matter and just becomes highly offensive to totally purge or deny any connection to a country that you grew up in, lived in, studied in, went to flagship university, got sent to +supported in international tournaments for over 20 years of your life.

[Nokhodi]

thnx for info on this. He recieved his bachelors at University of Tehran and lived in iran his whole life until then. Like many iranians he left the country to pursue his studies and further opportunities. Credit to him because from mathematical perspective as you say he is brilliant.
But the video I posted did make me sad. A man of his brainpower surrounded by congratulatory iranians, including an older Professor who remembers him from when he was just a student, and suddenly Birkar (derakhshani) develops memory loss and cannot remember two words of persian? Answers in some broken english to poor guys question that he had seriously thought about and was trying to get some technical insight from him regarding his decision making for his lecture...
At some stage this crosses line of personal matter and just becomes highly offensive to totally purge or deny any connection to a country that you grew up in, lived in, studied in, went to flagship university, got sent to +supported in international tournaments for over 20 years of your life.

Mental illness, hatred and racism.

This is why it’s not an honor for me when someone talks about some Iranian PhD in the states who attended “tizhooshan” schools, was prepped for international Olympiads and given all sorts of preference because they were academically gifted (maybe rightfully so) but don’t do f*** edited all for Iran.

I know barely literate Iranians living in Europe and North America who have done more to help people and they are proud of being Iranian.

[inarsenewetrust]

Mental illness, hatred and racism.

This is why it’s not an honor for me when someone talks about some Iranian PhD in the states who attended “tizhooshan” schools, was prepped for international Olympiads and given all sorts of preference because they were academically gifted (maybe rightfully so) but don’t do f*** edited all for Iran.

I know barely literate Iranians living in Europe and North America who have done more to help people and they are proud of being Iranian.

whats interesting his dad still lives in Iran and did interview with seda o sima in their village (Ney) right after he won.

[Philosophy_King]

thnx for info on this. He recieved his bachelors at University of Tehran and lived in iran his whole life until then. Like many iranians he left the country to pursue his studies and further opportunities. Credit to him because from mathematical perspective as you say he is brilliant.
But the video I posted did make me sad. A man of his brainpower surrounded by congratulatory iranians, including an older Professor who remembers him from when he was just a student, and suddenly Birkar (derakhshani) develops memory loss and cannot remember two words of persian? Answers in some broken english to poor guys question that he had seriously thought about and was trying to get some technical insight from him regarding his decision making for his lecture...
At some stage this crosses line of personal matter and just becomes highly offensive to totally purge or deny any connection to a country that you grew up in, lived in, studied in, went to flagship university, got sent to +supported in international tournaments for over 20 years of your life.

Wow, i feel ashamed when i saw this Video, "Caucher" seems to lost his mind in all those complex Theories that he tried to proof... incredible! He received all his education in Iran, he is technically speaking a proper Iranic, speaking an Northwest Iranian language and yet he is acting like he had never todo with the country...
Just sad, but we don't need him, since we have MANY other brilliant Mathematicians in the past and today.

I am so jealous of the Greek-speakers around the world. Beside modern-day F.Y.R.O.M claiming Alexander as theirs (ancient Macedonians weren't either Slavic nor Greeks), no other Ethnic-Group is trying to rip of their achievements from he cultural heritage. Yet there are sound arguments that most ancient Greek Scientists/Philosophers were born outside Greece and were mostly Hellenized natives, the same way Egyptians and Syrians became Arabized. I never saw an Egyptian claiming Diophantus/Ptolemy/Heron as being Egyptians ( which they would have ever right too...)
Moreover It doesn't matter if they are Pontus-Greeks, Cretans, Cypriots, Cappadocian Greeks or mainland Greeks, they all consider themselves as Greeks, without a second of doubt. Yet Cappadocian and Pontus- Greeks are genetically closer to iranics than to Greeks, they are mainly Hellenized natives, at one point pontus was rules by Persian Satraps, just like Cappadocia which had a large Iranian diaspora and was center of Mithraism.

On the other Hand we Iranians have to suffer from some deep Pan-Turkic Inferiority Complex trying to claim nearly all major figures that lives in East-Iran; Eurocentric scholarship building their "Western Civilization" at the cost of our heritage by demonizing the Achaemenids etc.; Ignorance about the key role of iranics in shaping the so called "Islamic Golden age"; and on the top of that the ignorance of many non-Persian speakers born in Iran, like "Caucher" .

[Karimi 8]

I would not put Gegard Mousasi in the same group. He is proud of being born in Iran and has done many interviews in Farsi. He's a good guy.

Mentioning being born somewhere is different than being proud to be from that country. I personally have yet to see a single interview where Mousasi says "I am Iranian". Saying you were born in Iran doesn't really mean anything if you don't associate it to your cultural identity. From what I have seen he does speak Farsi, but watching his fight intros it is clear which two countries he proudly associates himself with, and that is what I see when reading between the lines.

I do agree, he is still much more likable than the clown "Mr. Finland, from Kurdistan" Amikhani

[Mahsaa]

i heard about this guy before and that he was announced as a kurd worldwide, its okay but beeing like this is really strange, he cant speak farsi ? and why should we be proud of him, or the prof. repeats how proud he is, but from day 1 caucher never said he is iranian so why should anyone be proud ?

[Philosophy_King]

i heard about this guy before and that he was announced as a kurd worldwide, its okay but being like this is really strange, he cant speak farsi ? and why should we be proud of him, or the prof. repeats how proud he is, but from day 1 caucher never said he is iranian so why should anyone be proud ?

Birkar was raised in Iran, benefitted from Iran's schools, facilities, universities, he is an ethnic Iranic (since Kurds speak Northwestiranian language) and represents our culture and nation. "Kurdistan" did nothing for his achievements nor is there any country with that name. It is just a strange form of "lajbazi" from his side but unfortunately for him, it is undeniable that his achievements are indeed related to Iran. You can be the greatest Genius on the planet without the right education-system it will lead you nowhere. And specially in Mathematics and Physics Iran has high standard universities and facilities.

[The Farbod]

Mentioning being born somewhere is different than being proud to be from that country. I personally have yet to see a single interview where Mousasi says "I am Iranian". Saying you were born in Iran doesn't really mean anything if you don't associate it to your cultural identity. From what I have seen he does speak Farsi, but watching his fight intros it is clear which two countries he proudly associates himself with, and that is what I see when reading between the lines.

I do agree, he is still much more likable than the clown "Mr. Finland, from Kurdistan" Amikhani

I've never heard Mousasi say he was anything. He always is extremely respectful to his Iranian, Dutch, and Armenian connections. He speaks all three languages and does interviews with all three. He treats his fans from all three countries with respect. His Bio usually has the Iran flag and he's never taken an issue with it. I don't see a problem here.

[Mahsaa]

I've never heard Mousasi say he was anything. He always is extremely respectful to his Iranian, Dutch, and Armenian connections. He speaks all three languages and does interviews with all three. He treats his fans from all three countries with respect. His Bio usually has the Iran flag and he's never taken an issue with it. I don't see a problem here.

Dear Farbod, you always have a choice, either you want to promote beeing iranian or you dont, Mousasi is armenian and fighting under armenias flag, its totally ok its his life but saying i was born in iran or i love iran doesnt make you iranian. you wont see these people even take a picture with the iranian flag.