Az maast ke bar maast !!

[Doctor DOOM]

[MrBrightside]

This is no way a disaster.

It would have been a disaster if we had lost these two games with a really old group of players !!!

That is the major difference between now and 98.

In 98 we lost two games to not the most fantastic of teams with a group of old first timers.

Importantly now a really young group who can, unlike the 98 players, USE THIS EXPERIENCE in atleast the next world cup.

You will see how important this world cup will be to the performance of our players, in the league and national team.

I only wish Mobali had gone through this experience too whihc would have made him too such a better player.

[faraz]

well, disaster is the right word for it, and should have been used right after the Mexico game.

Dadkan is very responsible and stubborn.
Branko is responsible.
Ali Karimi is highly responsible for his poor poor play.

We as fans are responsible and so is the media.

We all had a part to play in these losses.

This was a very bad showing in my view. Not so much the Portugal match, but letting Mexico score 3 goals was absolutely unnecessary, unlucky, and just bad.

DD jan, we lost what we had acheived in 4 years in a matter of seconds: Kaebi's pass back = mistake 1
Mirza's kick = mistake 2
Rezaei's miscontrol = mistake 3
Rezaei's failure to FOUL Zinha when he got the ball = mistake 4
Mirza's slip-up as he came out to challenge bravo = mistake 5

These were the only real mistakes that were made, notice, not by Nosrati, or not by Ali Daei.

What a shame

[mr.taheri]

DD, I dont want to eat eggs every day, I want some ghormehsabzi and lubiapolo....no more eggs with the IFF.

[Ali Chicago]

In regards to MrBright's comments

If this is not a disaster so what is a disaster then. Dude, look at the Fifa game report for iran Vs. Portugual we had 37% ball possesiion. Dude iran only had 19 minutes with the ball. Do you get it? Iran had no sustained attack on Portugals goals.

I bet you Mexico and Portugal won't get anywhere in this world cup. I bet you. Even Angola withstood Mexico's attack and they scored (chepandand) three goals against us.

An in regards to younger players, except Madanchi which one of those so called young players got some play time in this WC?

So please stop with this our young players got experience stuff. Man come on, until when we want to defend mediocrity?

Did you see Australia Vs. Brazil? Man I wish I was an Aussie!!!! I would have been proud of those boys. Or an American how they kicked Italy's ass with 9 players for more than 45 minutes.

I don't know what can wake up people, who think like you, and smell the roses.

[Doctor DOOM]

it is a disaster, since we dont know when we'll have such a collection of talent, with this amount of experience, this kind of easy grouping and opportunity !!

hell, we dont know when we'll get to qualify for the WC next time.

we had the chance to do something great, especially against mexico and we lost this opportunity becoz of our mismanagement and mishandling of the team by IFF, dadkan and branko.

for me, this loss of golden opportunity IS a disaster.

[Hajagha]

This was no way near a disaster, we were supposed to lose both games by any odds. Look at the other people prediction. Disaster happens when we lose to country like Maldives.

I don't agree with the post as a whole, we progressed from 2001 to now, I know it would be better to change our coach when he had nothing to offer, but don't forget we came from "Shahrokhi" to Branko. It was an improvement. We talk about a country that half of the population were not allowed to see players hairy knees from 100+ meters as the rest of the legs are covered. We talk about a country that the coach is blamed to drink alcohol rather than his tactic.

We improved by any means, even such a lost was improvement, we don't go back to Sharokhies era by no means, we got rid off "Parvin" ali asghari tactics. Now, Branko is too small for us, but don't forget 2002 when we wished for him. We learned not any blue eyes does the same thing, we learned how to criticize Ary Haan or Denzili, we got a measurement how to evaluate the next coach.

We look forward. It's a good sign.

[St_Mark]

..., , but don't forget we came from "Shahrokhi" to Branko. It was an improvement. ..... It's a good sign.

Dear:
Last time I checked Mr. Shahrokhi were sitting quietly next to Branko.
If others {opponent } improved {move forward } with much faster speed than us , although we have made changes , can we conclude we have made progress? It depend what progress mean to us.
It is also questionable if we have made any "real " improvement {progress } , we have moved although slow but can we be sure move has been to right direction, when it comes to movement , speed by itself is insufficient factor , velocity {direction-aware} is critical



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Velocity is a vector quantity which refers to "the rate at which an object changes its position." Imagine a person moving rapidly - one step forward and one step back - always returning to the original starting position. While this might result in a frenzy of activity, it would result in a zero velocity. Because the person always returns to the original position, the motion would never result in a change in position. Since velocity is defined as the rate at which the position changes, this motion results in zero velocity. If a person in motion wishes to maximize their velocity, then that person must make every effort to maximize the amount that they are displaced from their original position. Every step must go into moving that person further from where he/she started. For certain, the person should never change directions and begin to return to where he/she started from.
Velocity is a vector quantity. As such, velocity is "direction-aware." When evaluating the velocity of an object, one must keep track of direction. It would not be enough to say that an object has a velocity of 55 mi/hr. One must include direction information in order to fully describe the velocity of the object. For instance, you must describe an object's velocity as being 55 mi/hr, east. This is one of the essential differences between speed and velocity. Speed is a scalar and does not keep track of direction; velocity is a vector and is direction-aware. "

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[yashar_fasihnia]

the main reason we lost this worldcup is fitness & stamina.
thats all. (ofcourse the disunity among the camp is another reason but wat i mean is this was our biggest weakness comapred to other teams)

and like hashemian rightly said (thanx god some professional player supports me on this and says its not branko's fault cos he had only 3 weeks), branko wasnt really responsible for our fitness!

we had the talent, we had the heart, we had the experience, we had the youth, but we didnt have the fitness level! and that ALI CHICAGO JAN, is the only reason why we had 37% possession. because we couldnt create possession for ourselves, because we didnt have the energy to have group attacks , so our players lost the ball everytime we went upfront, we couldnt create spaces for ourselves to that our teammates would pass us the ball!

we never went with a defensive approach, but we couldnt attack much because of STAMINA & FITNESS!

the only reason australia could match up brazil, korea could match up france was because they ran, ran & ran! they had the stamina to tackle every french player who had the ball, they had the stamina to move forward and create offense in groups, and they had the stamina to run back and defend during counters and turn overs! they had the stamina to create spaces for each other and pass the ball to each other, they had the stamina to press the opponent!

it was all stamina and fitness which seperated most of the worldcup teams from the iranian team! Remember ali_chicago jan, u said "its not fitness, out players are fitter than mexico and even most other teams"? but i replied to u that no, "iranian is one of the weakest teams in terms of physical fitness and stamina" and then we had that argument over saudia arabia and other african teams having better fitness and body strength?

our weak point was nothing but stamina & fitness. whether branko wasnt the best coach, daei wasnt the fastest player, mirzapour wasnt the smartest goalkeeper, plays a minor role compared to our fitness & stamina level of our players! if we had the fitness and stamina of the aussies or the koreans, for sure we would have played a much better game, we would have more possession and more chances against portugal & mexico even with branko,daei,mirzapour & nosrati!

[Hajagha]

Dear:
Last time I checked Mr. Shahrokhi were sitting quietly next to Branko.....

At least he sat besides and not instead. You just proved my point too.

I see your point, we haven't improved fast enough. But as I said in my post and you proved it again with your point, in which ground we want to improve fast? How fast is fast enough?

Look, even this second rate coach didn't bring his family to Iran after 5 years, never learned Persian and I am sure never opened his second suitcase to settle down even for a month. Imagine if we had a first class coach.

What I try to say, it's too hard to improve situations in Iran. being fast enough is not a "realistic challenge".

[zzgloo]

These are the reasons.....in my opinion...

1- Guatemoc blanco, the man of the year for mexico was not even invited to thier team......
2-The mexican league had 60 games during a year...and thier national team more than 20 friendlies.
3-Our league is a much weaker league than even angola's.
4- No subs for golie,defense,left back,forwards......
5-our players, controled the ball only on 20% of times, that is we gave away the possetion, unforced more than 80% of the time....that is in my opinion the lowest in the WC.....simply,our players did not knew what to do with the ball.
6-Consiquently, both mexican players and portuguese players did not respect our players when we had the possetion, and attcked our players even in our part of the field when we had possetion.
7-Our coach did what he could....we got what we paid for.
8-The intelegence of our players, such as mirzapour, is questionable, and most of our players made bad judgments most of the time.
9-We did not foul enough,nor we resieved yellow cards as much as other teams....that translates to our players lack of intencity.
10-contrary to most's beliefe, our midfield was our weak point....the center did not belong to us, nor did we feed the offense ( with the exception of kia ).
11-Branko never devised a plan comfortable with the players....our players never looked insink with what they were doing.

[Doctor DOOM]

zz jan , thanks for the break down.

good points were brought up in this break down.
and taking each one for what it means :

1- "names" shd not matter in selection, and the "form" of the player is important.

2- the more the team plays internationally, the more they get experienced and less they get scared of opponents, some bigger than them

3- totally wrong. angola's league cannot be compared with ours.

4- when we could have played many of the alternatives in many of those inconsequential games like laos, guam, panama , lybia, ... , we didnt. hence these subs , according to zz jan, are un-reliable.
( although I have a different view on subs )

5- ".......our players did not knew what to do with the ball."
hmmm..... two words : 5 years.
you read the rest for yourself.

6- agreed

7- agreed.
it is us and IFF to be blamed for seating an incompetent and inferior mind as the coach, who was clear-as-day incapable of taking care of the job with his limited intelligence.
he didnt have much to offer, and whatever he had, he offered it 3-4 years ago.


8- count it on lack of experience and int'l exposure

9- questionable.

10- hmm... lets see...... "who" decides to play which players where ?

11- duh !


bottomline we see many mistakes and wrongs on the part of the coach.
most of which I base it on his lack of experience, constrained intellect, incapability and spineless nature ... and some on his irrational laj baazi and obstinacy to accept the truth, and his penchant for denial of facts.


but the greatest blame falls on the shoulders of us, Iranians, who witnessed all these short comings and still didnt do anything to prevent this disaster.

mainly the IFF,, who are in charge of such matters, and instead of their laj baazi and labeling, they shd have kept the best interests of the COUNTRY in mnd, not x or y individuals !

[Dr.shark]

If this is not a disaster so what is a disaster then. Dude, look at the Fifa game report for iran Vs. Portugual we had 37% ball possesiion. Dude iran only had 19 minutes with the ball. Do you get it? Iran had no sustained attack on Portugals goals.

I bet you Mexico and Portugal won't get anywhere in this world cup. I bet you. Even Angola withstood Mexico's attack and they scored (chepandand) three goals against us.

An in regards to younger players, except Madanchi which one of those so called young players got some play time in this WC?

So please stop with this our young players got experience stuff. Man come on, until when we want to defend mediocrity?

Did you see Australia Vs. Brazil? Man I wish I was an Aussie!!!! I would have been proud of those boys. Or an American how they kicked Italy's ass with 9 players for more than 45 minutes.

I don't know what can wake up people, who think like you, and smell the roses.

very well put I agree with you and thank you for telling the trueth.

[Dr.shark]

This was no way near a disaster, we were supposed to lose both games by any odds. Look at the other people prediction. Disaster happens when we lose to country like Maldives.

I don't agree with the post as a whole, we progressed from 2001 to now, I know it would be better to change our coach when he had nothing to offer, but don't forget we came from "Shahrokhi" to Branko. It was an improvement. We talk about a country that half of the population were not allowed to see players hairy knees from 100+ meters as the rest of the legs are covered. We talk about a country that the coach is blamed to drink alcohol rather than his tactic.

We improved by any means, even such a lost was improvement, we don't go back to Sharokhies era by no means, we got rid off "Parvin" ali asghari tactics. Now, Branko is too small for us, but don't forget 2002 when we wished for him. We learned not any blue eyes does the same thing, we learned how to criticize Ary Haan or Denzili, we got a measurement how to evaluate the next coach.

We look forward. It's a good sign.

t&t was to lose to sweeden but did they??
do they even have players as good as sweeden???
what about how they played against england????
we did not even do that.
what about U.S and Italy???
we did not even stand up to mexico and portugal.
angola stood up to mixeco is angola better then us???
when they win against us in their next mach are you going to come out and say they were better then us???
man we lost because of fuc*ing branko and dadkan this is a disaster when we had a better team then them. mexico did not have the amount of stars on their team that we had on our team and yes those that say we were weaker they said that because they also did not want us to be their. this what they say to get in our head. we can say just because they are mexico and they won 3-1 it is ok. No if they win 1-0 fine we can say we played well and they just happend to be better. but when we lose 3-1 and then 2-0 we can't say we we are getting better were moving up
and what a stupid mola says can not be sed to put us down because at the same time we hav been ptting stars into europe and does stars have been doing good for them self.

[zzgloo]

zz jan , thanks for the break down.

good points were brought up in this break down.
and taking each one for what it means :

1- "names" shd not matter in selection, and the "form" of the player is important.

2- the more the team plays internationally, the more they get experienced and less they get scared of opponents, some bigger than them

3- totally wrong. angola's league cannot be compared with ours.

4- when we could have played many of the alternatives in many of those inconsequential games like laos, guam, panama , lybia, ... , we didnt. hence these subs , according to zz jan, are un-reliable.
( although I have a different view on subs )

5- ".......our players did not knew what to do with the ball."
hmmm..... two words : 5 years.
you read the rest for yourself.

6- agreed

7- agreed.
it is us and IFF to be blamed for seating an incompetent and inferior mind as the coach, who was clear-as-day incapable of taking care of the job with his limited intelligence.
he didnt have much to offer, and whatever he had, he offered it 3-4 years ago.


8- count it on lack of experience and int'l exposure

9- questionable.

10- hmm... lets see...... "who" decides to play which players where ?

11- duh !


bottomline we see many mistakes and wrongs on the part of the coach.
most of which I base it on his lack of experience, constrained intellect, incapability and spineless nature ... and some on his irrational laj baazi and obstinacy to accept the truth, and his penchant for denial of facts.


but the greatest blame falls on the shoulders of us, Iranians, who witnessed all these short comings and still didnt do anything to prevent this disaster.

mainly the IFF,, who are in charge of such matters, and instead of their laj baazi and labeling, they shd have kept the best interests of the COUNTRY in mnd, not x or y individuals !

DD jan....you and I are saying the same things,with different language.....
Let me explain why we did not score against mexico during the first half ,with a joke, ....
A teacher asks a student if he can say the " jadvale zarb "....and the student goes......" do dota charta,do seta shita,do charta hasta " and he did it with a rythem and sounded like a song.......
then the teacher asks the next student the same question.....and the secound student who was not a good student said.....
" daram dam dam dam,,daram dam dam dam, daram dam dam dam..."with a same rythem as the first student.....
As he only knew the rythem,and not the meaning.....
And thats why we did not score......