Iran-Malaysia post-game discussion

[leviathan]

I wanted to post this right after the game but I was very busy at work and could not GOOF OFF.

Apart from all of the detailed Points you guys have brought up I just want to say couple of thing:

1- I am tired of hearing (especially during the game) ajab bad shansim... ajab bad shansim! ...ajab malaysia khosh shanse......lottory ke nist baba joon.

There is only 10% element of luck involved in this game. you hit the post one time ,or cross bar the second time ..yes ok it was unlucky.
But when you play nervous or too anxious or too eager and keep missing the goal ...shans is not to blame buddy...it is inaccuracy! Either we aimed right at azizan (hashemian and Karimi know what i am talking about) or we aimed 3' outside the goal.

2-when a team plays defense with 10 players (because they are scared of Iran or because they don't want another 5-0 embarrassing loss) I don't care.

They are going to lock you down to 2-0 as they did if you keep the pressure.

What I would have done (as a coach)is,I would tell my players to pull back to our half and let them think we are playing defensively so that they move up and open up their defense a little bit (instead of keeping all their 10 men in their half)
Play with them a little bit in our half making them tired and suddenly do a counter attack.... I don't think even china could have scored more than two with all those 10 defenders today?

Also I don't know how we are going to beat Korea?Ba in vaze bazi va tarkeeb.

[Ali Chicago]

i just have one question for GN supporters:

-Akhe In Football Bood? Be Khoda Sage Teame Branko Miarze Be Kole Heykale in Team!

Can you stop bringing Branko to all of this? What that solves? Another Haydari Nemati arugument?

[zzgloo]

I wanted to post this right after the game but I was very busy at work and could not GOOF OFF.

Apart from all of the detailed Points you guys have brought up I just want to say couple of thing:

1- I am tired of hearing (especially during the game) ajab bad shansim... ajab bad shansim! ...ajab malaysia khosh shanse......lottory ke nist baba joon.

There is only 10% element of luck involved in this game. you hit the post one time ,or cross bar the second time ..yes ok it was unlucky.
But when you play nervous or too anxious or too eager and keep missing the goal ...shans is not to blame buddy...it is inaccuracy! Either we aimed right at azizan (hashemian and Karimi know what i am talking about) or we aimed 3' outside the goal.

2-when a team plays defense with 10 players (because they are scared of Iran or because they don't want another 5-0 embarrassing loss) I don't care.

They are going to lock you down to 2-0 as they did if you keep the pressure.

What I would have done (as a coach)is,I would tell my players to pull back to our half and let them think we are playing defensively so that they move up and open up their defense a little bit (instead of keeping all their 10 men in their half)
Play with them a little bit in our half making them tired and suddenly do a counter attack.... I don't think even china could have scored more than two with all those 10 defenders today?

Also I don't know how we are going to beat Korea?Ba in vaze bazi va tarkeeb.

Levietan e aziz.....I could n't say it better myself.........
It is not matter of chance at all.............and in my opnion, it was not because of 10 man defensive strategy of malaysia either......we all 20 something corners !!!!, we were at thier box for 20 + times.....
we had more than 20 chances to score.......
If mobali is alone in front of the goal 3 times and shoots to out...is not bad luck..........
If karimi,does the same, or others....is not bad luck.....if our top stricker, hashemian, loses the ball,10 times, kicks to out in front of the gola 4 times, and misses perfect 100% chances 3 times...is not bad luck......
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we are not going to get one 20 th of these chances against s.korea....

[Ali Chicago]

Levietan e aziz.....I could n't say it better myself.........
It is not matter of chance at all.............and in my opnion, it was not because of 10 man defensive strategy of malaysia either......we all 20 something corners !!!!, we were at thier box for 20 + times.....
we had more than 20 chances to score.......
If mobali is alone in front of the goal 3 times and shoots to out...is not bad luck..........
If karimi,does the same, or others....is not bad luck.....if our top stricker, hashemian, loses the ball,10 times, kicks to out in front of the gola 4 times, and misses perfect 100% chances 3 times...is not bad luck......
..................
we are not going to get one 20 th of these chances against s.korea....

ZZ jan you and Levithan has a point about blamnig everything on chance isn't right. But real life is matter of events (call it chance).

Forget about all this quarrel about current TM, I am tired of all this, let's just rewind to WC 98 qualification Iran is down 2-0 from Australia. If it wasn't for Abadzadeh amazing performance that day it ccould have been 4-0 for Aussies. Our team gets 2 chances and scores two. Game end up 2-2 we are through Aussies are crying on the pitch.

I dont' know what to call that. Was it anything but pure luck (for the lack of a better qualifier?)

Point is although one needs to prepare (do specific traning with the forwards, make sure forwards have great shots and can trun with teh ball and .....), scoring, winning, loosing has this element of "LUCK" "SHANCE" whatever you want to call it.

This is not to jsutify GN or anybody, but this mechnistic view of that everything is football can be managed and controlled isnt' realistic. We as fans need to accept (as much as we kick and scream and dont' like it) that at times team can't score. At times we get bad penalties caleld against us, or at times we get lucky calls for us (supposedly the Penalty against Ali Karimi (as they say in papers) wasn't a real penalty.

[Ali Chicago]

I know it is late but better than never.

Just finished watching Iran Malaysia game. After reading the papers and all the gloom and doom on PFDC forums, I am really gonna go on limb and say Iran played well.

Malaysia played with 11 players behind the ball. This is the hardest type of game to play, combine this with the stress our boys were under (since they wanted to finish first).

Team changed from 4-4-2 during the game to 4-3-3 after the Mobali ?Kazemian sub.

Our boys ran their guts out and never give up.

Team focused on the right flank with Kazemian in, and eventually goal came right from there (Kazemian and Ando).

Karimi showed his desire in the second half ( a good sign).

Good to see our team is to the tactical level to be able to switch systems during the game.

Game could have easily been 8-1 or even worst.

Team used shots a lot 11 shots on target 17 off target, 64% possession 16 corners.

GN subs were good and logical (addition of speed to offense). I liked Kazemina sub. Didn't like Enayati's sub though (but still made sense with the addition of speed). GN wanted to change tactic and add speed. Hashemian sub was too late IMO. Great to see Khatibi and Rajabzadeh are hungry and getting more comfortable.

Hashemian had a bad day he worked hard though. Ando is getting better. Kia had a really really off day.

One thing that maybe people are not noticing is the fact that our team is playing without any star. Legioners are playing sub par to awful, despite that team is doing ok. It is a good sign. To me team is exactly were it needs to be, getting better game by game. I know Malaysia isn't somethign to write about but the same Malaysia until 80th minute was 2-0 or 3-0 down against Uzbakistan. In that game they were trying to attack and played soccer not just a full 11 man defense.

Despite all the media circus and all the nagging team seemed to have a good spirit. GN was quiet at the bench and didn't get into trouble. He seemed on control (based on tv shots), not nervous jumping up down, while the first place spot was on grab and he sure knew, if his teams come second what a "va mosibata", it would have been in papers. Point is, it seems he handled the pressure well. I know this won't make me many friend here, but this guy is a real fast learner. He is learning on the job and for most part, he is doing well. He needs an element of luck to put wind in his sail.

Weaknesses
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Very slow offensive transition. Every god damn player carried the ball 10-12 yards before passing. Even Zandi which was a surprise. A few times as soon as we went to one touch and give and go, we penetrated the packed defense of Malaysia (Karimi's one two with khatibi, Karimi Kia).

Why GN didn't pull a defender out? Malaysia wasn't a threat. Specially after realizing Uzbakistan is up 2-0 against China, I think we should have pulled a Defender out, or push Zandi to LM and unleash Karimi.

Our team crosses are coming from the area between the box and half line of the the opponent and not from the deep inside the opponent field (the area between their box and touch (out) line). There is a huge difference between these type of crosses. Goalie has a harder time to see it, same with defenders, ball flight time is a bit shorter and gives less time to defense and goalie to set up. Kazemian and Ando to some degree improved that in the second half, but on Left we are just miserable. Karimi on the second half toward the end, turned on the left engine, but his moves were all toward inside not straight towad the end line and trying to cross the ball.

[Doctor DOOM]

Very slow offensive transition. Every god damn player carried the ball 10-12 yards before passing. Even Zandi which was a surprise. A few times as soon as we went to one touch and give and go, we penetrated the packed defense of Malaysia (Karimi's one two with khatibi, Karimi Kia).

I have noticed this. but after I watch the games ( all 3 ) again, I notice one thing:

many of these "pauses" or "slowing down" or "in-decisions" are due to other players not freeing themselves from their marks or not moving into a space where the player can pass to them !

not all the time it is the player's fault. it's more often than not the others' for not making space and positioning themselves.

watch the games again and you'd notice this.

in malaysia game, it became even harder as they defended with 11 men which packed the whole pitch ( on their half ). this drastically reduces the spaces available for players ( they also cant shake off the markers as there are way too many players defending ).
so the ball carrier is looking and looking, waiting and waiting and that's whta causes these slow-downs.

[Ali Chicago]

I have noticed this. but after I watch the games ( all 3 ) again, I notice one thing:
many of these "pauses" or "slowing down" or "in-decisions" are due to other players not freeing themselves from their marks or not moving into a space where the player can pass to them !
not all the time it is the player's fault. it's more often than not the others' for not making space and positioning themselves.
watch the games again and you'd notice this.
in malaysia game, it became even harder as they defended with 11 men which packed the whole pitch ( on their half ). this drastically reduces the spaces available for players ( they also cant shake off the markers as there are way too many players defending ).
so the ball carrier is looking and looking, waiting and waiting and that's whta causes these slow-downs.

I watched the game pretty late, so I might have not been as deligent to observe that. Probably it is a two way street. Call carrier has to make the decision faster and guy without the ball needs to make the moves withouth the ball.

I know it is open season on Enayati, but that is one of the things I really like about him comparing to Hashemian. Hashemian gets the ball and carries the ball (which at times can be good), however the worst mistake Vahid makes in instead of moving diagonally toward the goal, he heads straight down toward corner flags and end line. A good defender will be more than happy to channelize him down there.

How do you feel about Sunday game dokki? I feel pretty confident despite all the hoopla.