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Originally posted by kastro View PostThe word arab in itself is very loose and doesn't tie in ethnicity. North African countries adopted the language due to religion. That would be like calling any country that speaks English, English.
Our history also predates Arab history by far.
I'm sure people that know nothing about Iran could confuse you for arabs as well solely going off the Persian alphabet being derived from the Arabic one.
Iranians of many generations fought very long and hard to keep Persian alive. The fight continues to this day.
Islam was forced upon them. This fairy tale of Iranians or anybody else for that matter "adopting" Islam is a fabricated story, by the very same marauding hordes and their native collaborators.Sign this petition to show opposition to US/UK support for the Rajavi/MKO cult
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Originally posted by mbaizai View Postwhat quality?
These are the monetary prizes for the teams:
Winner - $5 million
Runner-up - $3 million
Third place- $2 million
Forth pace - $1.5 million
Quarter final - $1 million
Group stages - $750,000
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Originally posted by Philosophy_King View PostEgypt has a fascinating History and is one of the oldest Civilizations. It is a shame that most of the achievements in Hellenistic Egypt (Library of Alexandria, the great Scientists like Ptolemy, Diophantus, Euclid etc.) is given to the Greeks. Most of these great thinkers where Hellenized Egyptians. How do Egyptians feel about this?
There is and has been an intellectual movement in Egypt questioning the Arab-ness of Egypt. It is mirrored by movements in other "Arab" countries such as Lebanon, Syria. etc. They realize that their history goes far beyond the past 1500 years and believe in reviving it.
Vast majority of Egyptians of course are Muslims and many are practicing ones. However, there is also a movement to re-consider what this has meant to them.
Many Egyptians, Moroccans, Libya, etc, do admire Iranians for having withstood (to a certain extent) the cultural ambush of their country and for having kept Persian alive.Sign this petition to show opposition to US/UK support for the Rajavi/MKO cult
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Originally posted by nisfejahan View PostI do not have a representative sample by any means, and only have heard things from Egyptian friends and academics:
There is and has been an intellectual movement in Egypt questioning the Arab-ness of Egypt. It is mirrored by movements in other "Arab" countries such as Lebanon, Syria. etc. They realize that their history goes far beyond the past 1500 years and believe in reviving it.
Vast majority of Egyptians of course are Muslims and many are practicing ones. However, there is also a movement to re-consider what this has meant to them.
Many Egyptians, Moroccans, Libya, etc, do admire Iranians for having withstood (to a certain extent) the cultural ambush of their country and for having kept Persian alive.
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Originally posted by kastro View PostThe word arab in itself is very loose and doesn't tie in ethnicity. North African countries adopted the language due to religion. That would be like calling any country that speaks English, English.
Our history also predates Arab history by far.
I'm sure people that know nothing about Iran could confuse you for arabs as well solely going off the Persian alphabet being derived from the Arabic one.
I do however remember getting rather confused by the popular media term "ARAB Spring" some year ago when it mostly sparked out in North Africa..!? i think that political event Term went a long way towards many other (history avg-knowledged) folks around the world bundling you guys as Arabs..??
personally, in my mind i always thought of you lot more as "North Africans" (the brighter skinned/intellectuality, more advanced and sorta elite nations of Africa...!?)
Originally posted by Leicester City View PostEgypt, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, etc...
These are the monetary prizes for the teams:
Winner - $5 million
Runner-up - $3 million
Third place- $2 million
Forth pace - $1.5million
Quarter final - $1million
Group stages - $750,000
not to mention much needed, slew of somewhat formidable TM tune-up games, en route to WC 22..!!
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Originally posted by kastro View PostThe word arab in itself is very loose and doesn't tie in ethnicity. North African countries adopted the language due to religion. That would be like calling any country that speaks English, English.
Our history also predates Arab history by far.
I'm sure people that know nothing about Iran could confuse you for arabs as well solely going off the Persian alphabet being derived from the Arabic one.
At least Iranians kept their pre Islamic tradition (language, nowruz, calendar, etc..). Yes there is diversity in the arab world, as there is also diversity in Russia federation but at the end Egypt, lebanon etc.. Belongs to arab cup, arab league organization, arab bank, etc..
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Originally posted by Philosophy_King View PostThanks for the explanations, but my question was about their Hellenistic heritage which is wrongly attributed to the "Greeks" and being white washed by Eurocentric's.
A parallel would be the "Arabization" of Persian achievements in the post-Islamic Iran. I know, we (Iranians) do not like it, but interestingly enough, this topic as related to Hellenized Egypt has never come up in my conversations. Interesting question though!Sign this petition to show opposition to US/UK support for the Rajavi/MKO cult
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Originally posted by nisfejahan View PostRe-reading your post made me realize I misread your question.
A parallel would be the "Arabization" of Persian achievements in the post-Islamic Iran. I know, we (Iranians) do not like it, but interestingly enough, this topic as related to Hellenized Egypt has never come up in my conversations. Interesting question though!
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Originally posted by Leicester City View PostBy the way, why didn't Qatar invite Iran to the tournament? Before anyone says "iRaN iS nOt aN aRaB nAtIoN", South Sudan was invited to the tournament and they are not an Arab nation. It would have been a great experience for the team and Dragan Skocic prior to the World Cup and would have really given us a proper simulation for what to expect at World Cup in order to maximize our chances of making it into the RO 16.
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Originally posted by Philosophy_King View PostEgypt has a fascinating History and is one of the oldest Civilizations. It is a shame that most of the achievements in Hellenistic Egypt (Library of Alexandria, the great Scientists like Ptolemy, Diophantus, Euclid etc.) is given to the Greeks. Most of these great thinkers where Hellenized Egyptians. How do Egyptians feel about this?
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Originally posted by nisfejahan View PostI do not want to divert the thread, but North Africans, Iran and other places did not ADOPT Islam or the Arabic language. It was forced upon them by the marauding hordes of Arabian Peninsula looking for things to loot in the name of their new religion.
Iranians of many generations fought very long and hard to keep Persian alive. The fight continues to this day.
Islam was forced upon them. This fairy tale of Iranians or anybody else for that matter "adopting" Islam is a fabricated story, by the very same marauding hordes and their native collaborators.
We still have Egyptian words mixed in with our Arabic today that all other Arabic speaking nations don't obviously use. One example we use is 'outa' for tomato which is the ancient Egyptian for it. 'Tarabeza' for table, etc.
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Originally posted by kastro View PostI don't disagree that it was forced down on us for sure. When I said adopted, I was more referring to it being the widely spoken language over our Coptic language.
We still have Egyptian words mixed in with our Arabic today that all other Arabic speaking nations don't obviously use. One example we use is 'outa' for tomato which is the ancient Egyptian for it. 'Tarabeza' for table, etc.
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Originally posted by The View PostI don't doubt the general point you're making about Egyptian Arabic, and don't mean to derail this thread, but fwiw, Tomato did not exist outside of the Americas before the 15th-16th century. There would be no ancient Egyptian, Persian, etc... Word for it. Only ancient mesoamerican.
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